Ashley Caspillo-SakaraGT4/Sakara *Possible Buyer Beware!*

Originally Posted by KelliH

Ok, so it looks like Ashley will be attending the NARBC Show on Saturday, as a spectator NOT a vendor. What exactly do you think should be done? Should we march back and forth outside the convention center chanting and holding signs? Maybe we should forum a human chain at the door to the show when we see Ashley coming so that she cannot get in? Short of doing that (and most likely being arrested for it), I cannot see how anyone, Texas herper or not, can keep anyone else from attending a reptile show.

it seems it should be as easy as denying entrance no? does the person running this show HAVE to allow everyone in? seems like if its their show they should have the power to accept peoples entrance money or not

sorry posted this before i got to deb's comment about the same thing.

Originally Posted by Crypt keeper

okay her being at a show is on her. You missed my point that Angel is trying to make it sound like her and Gavin are business partners from a facebook thread. Agel stop bringing innocent peoples name into this because you are an infant who had sand kicked in his face.

I didn't get that from his post. If he'd have whited out Gavin's name and anyone else on the FB post, I wouldn't have cared, and still took from it that she plans on attending.

As far as posting a pic, I think its a good idea, simply because it will help people who ARE aware of this thread keep an eye out at the Texas shows. The promoters and vendors can't watch her the entire time. It would be good if members were there secretly keeping an eye out for any quiet sales that may be attempted.

I would want someone to look out for me if I were inexperienced.

The facts are:
The girl clearly has NO remorse to show up and flaunt her "reptile keeping abilities" in everyone's face after the crap she's pulled. Whether or not anyone wants to admit it, there are problems with her ethics.

Maybe she doesn't have IBD.
That's why I was VERY specific in the title of the thread and the wording in my subsequent posts. "POSSIBLE IBD"

However SHE HAS:
*HAD & SPREAD MITES TO PEOPLE SHE CALLED "FRIENDS"
*LIED ABOUT QUARANTINE
*LIED ABOUT NOT SELLING SNAKES AFTER GETTING AN IBD REPORT
*LIED ABOUT THE CONDITION OF HER SNAKES
*LIED ABOUT THE BREEDING STATUS OF HER SNAKES
*TRIED TO BE "SNEAKY" IN LISTING SNAKES ON NON-REPTILE RELATED SITES WHILE HER "BAD GUY" THREAD AGAINST THE BCL SELLER WAS ONGOING AND SHE WAS BEING QUESTIONED ABOUT SALES
*LIED ABOUT NOT SELLING ANYMORE SNAKES
*LIED ABOUT TESTS SHE'S HAD DONE
annnnd the list goes on..

I would think THOSE things alone would make anyone second guess allowing her into a show, but ultimately it's the promoters decision, and must be respected. However, that doesn't mean some of the attendees couldn't help monitor the situation

I disagree that their decision "must be respected".

We should not forget that the shows only exist by the grace and good-will of the attendees. It's now possible that with this information out here and the apparent unconcern/unwillingness to be proactive in protecting their customers/attendees that many will/can decide not to attend.

Originally Posted by amercnwmn

I didn't get that from his post. If he'd have whited out Gavin's name and anyone else on the FB post, I wouldn't have cared, and still took from it that she plans on attending.

As far as posting a pic, I think its a good idea, simply because it will help people who ARE aware of this thread keep an eye out at the Texas shows. The promoters and vendors can't watch her the entire time. It would be good if members were there secretly keeping an eye out for any quiet sales that may be attempted.

I would want someone to look out for me if I were inexperienced.

The facts are:
The girl clearly has NO remorse to show up and flaunt her "reptile keeping abilities" in everyone's face after the crap she's pulled. Whether or not anyone wants to admit it, there are problems with her ethics.

Maybe she doesn't have IBD.
That's why I was VERY specific in the title of the thread and the wording in my subsequent posts. "POSSIBLE IBD"

However SHE HAS:
*HAD & SPREAD MITES TO PEOPLE SHE CALLED "FRIENDS"
*LIED ABOUT QUARANTINE
*LIED ABOUT NOT SELLING SNAKES AFTER GETTING AN IBD REPORT
*LIED ABOUT THE CONDITION OF HER SNAKES
*LIED ABOUT THE BREEDING STATUS OF HER SNAKES
*TRIED TO BE "SNEAKY" IN LISTING SNAKES ON NON-REPTILE RELATED SITES WHILE HER "BAD GUY" THREAD AGAINST THE BCL SELLER WAS ONGOING AND SHE WAS BEING QUESTIONED ABOUT SALES
*LIED ABOUT NOT SELLING ANYMORE SNAKES
*LIED ABOUT TESTS SHE'S HAD DONE
annnnd the list goes on..

I would think THOSE things alone would make anyone second guess allowing her into a show, but ultimately it's the promoters decision, and must be respected. However, that doesn't mean some of the attendees couldn't help monitor the situation

Originally Posted by Angel Rojas

Here she is talking with "retic breeder" and co-owner of the retic nation, Gavin Bowe. Maybe this is why some of the members of that forum defended her, maybe they have business together....I donno.....She is not on the vendors list for any of the PA shows or the NARBC, but I have seen people sell other people's animals on their table, and sell and trade animals in the parking lot. But like I said, I don't know if she will be vending or if any of her animals will be at these shows.

Pathetic! Are you implying that Gavin is going to be selling her animals on his table? You are so full of it man. I do have a question for you though. Why would you be inquiring about someone that is supposed to be your brother?! STOP SLANDERING ME AND MY FORUM!!! GET THE BS ABOUT MY FORUM OFF OF YOU FB PAGE JESUS. YOU ARE JESUS AND A DRAMA QUEEN TROUBLE MAKER EVERYWHERE YOU GO!!!!

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...jesus+blackman

Originally Posted by ed hummel

it seems it should be as easy as denying entrance no? does the person running this show HAVE to allow everyone in? seems like if its their show they should have the power to accept peoples entrance money or not

It's the largest show in Texas. Thousands of people come through the door. Numerous people work the entrance tables. Even if someone did hand out flyers with her photo plastered on it, the chances of her being stopped at the door are slim to none.

My personal opinion is that it's not anyone's business whether she attends a show or not; as long as she isn't selling potentially diseased snakes. I am aware that I am probably in the minority in this thread that feels that way, but that's ok, I don't mind.

I gotta say, it IS a concern....not about GAVIN or anyone specifically, but about ANYONE she's managed to convince of her lies, or that appear to think her snakes aren't potentially sick, and she's a "responsible keeper"

I agree with you, Kelli.

As much as I hate the idea of her being there and the potential of her buying animals, it is ultimately the decision of the sellers who their animals go to. Odds are, if anyone showed up their with fliers or tee shirts or something else, they would be seen as drama llamas and little else.

I am by no means condoning selling animals to someone like her, but you cannot force people to stop and, in the eye of the promoter and show owner, it could potentially blow up in their face if there were to sit there and deny someone entrance on something that a lot of people may see as unproven.

Due to the unknowns of IBD, any of this, regardless of the evidence to support it, can be brushed off as indefinites.

We can be much more proactive about getting her out of the hobby than by "protesting" inside of shows.

Just my opinion.

Someone has a necropsy document that denotes IBD in their collection and subsequent deaths are noted...but there is no proof?

A simple matter to take that name down and check IDs to take a stand on being proactive is seen as being "drama llamas?"

All anyone has to do is THEIR part instead of making this situation about possible decisions on every other "Joe Blow's" part..if one person makes a conscious decision to face those facts outlined above and in the post and decides that there is enough evidence that denotes possible danger if Ashley attends, perhaps we can get something accomplished instead of having another "Jeff & Christina" situation in which too many people choose to do nothing.

Originally Posted by ShadowAceD

I agree with you, Kelli.

As much as I hate the idea of her being there and the potential of her buying animals, it is ultimately the decision of the sellers who their animals go to. Odds are, if anyone showed up their with fliers or tee shirts or something else, they would be seen as drama llamas and little else.

I am by no means condoning selling animals to someone like her, but you cannot force people to stop and, in the eye of the promoter and show owner, it could potentially blow up in their face if there were to sit there and deny someone entrance on something that a lot of people may see as unproven.

Due to the unknowns of IBD, any of this, regardless of the evidence to support it, can be brushed off as indefinites.

We can be much more proactive about getting her out of the hobby than by "protesting" inside of shows.

Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by KelliH

It's the largest show in Texas. Thousands of people come through the door. Numerous people work the entrance tables. Even if someone did hand out flyers with her photo plastered on it, the chances of her being stopped at the door are slim to none.

My personal opinion is that it's not anyone's business whether she attends a show or not; as long as she isn't selling potentially diseased snakes. I am aware that I am probably in the minority in this thread that feels that way, but that's ok, I don't mind.

should make it easier to spot her then... and if she did get in then you escort her out and give her a refund.

im surprised people in texas wouldnt want to keep her out of the show considering how many snakes shes had die and that it is unknown exactly how the disease is spread, potentially putting others at risk

would also be a good way of letting her know what shes done and may potentially still be doing is not only unwelcome in the online herp community but in texas as well.