San Diego Vivarium and IBD

TRUEREDTAILS.COM  aka MATT !!!!

YOU MUST POST YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME WITH EVERY POST !!!

Sorry!!!  


My name is :

Matthew Thomas Hunter!!

Tony...You didn't say anything about the MIDDLE name? Why would Matt post his middle name? I don't understand? First name, last name...last name after the first name...first name before the last name...where did the middle name come from? I'm so confused! What if he has TWO middle names?? Then we're ALL screwed!! AAhhhhh!!!!


I just couldn't resist! <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> ....Sorry folks...I was on vacation in my mind for awhile, but, I'm back now! Very strange trip! ....Neil Robert Gubitz (NRG) &nbsp;%>))

LET ME EDUCATE YOU CLASSIC DUM. THE POINT I AM TRYIN
TO MAKE IS THAT FIRST MATT HUNTER IS NOT PROBLEM.
DO YOU KNOW THAT FOR A FACT THAT IBD CANNOT BE FOUND IN W.C ANIMALS. FIRST OF ALL THAT IS NOT THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE. WAIT FOR MY STATEMENT TO COME. I HAVE GIVEN GARY WALSH OF SUNSHINE REPTILES
PERMISSION TO POST A STATEMENT ON MY BEHALF.TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HINT OF WHAT IS TO COME, WELL LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY. IGNORANCE VS. HUMILITY. WHICH FENCE ARE YOU WILLING TO SIT ON. THINK ABOUT IT. DO YOU KNOW FOR A FACT THAT IBD CANNOT BE FOUND IN WILDCAUGHT
ANIMALS.DECEPTION VS. INTEGRITY &nbsp;YOU CHOOSE!

To clarify a few things here...

The incidence of IBD in wild boids is unknown. It cannot be said with 100% certainty one way or the other whether or not wild boids are hosts to the virus.

IBD isn't something that just pops up in a boa and kills it a short time later. Progression of the disease & mortality is relatively slow in boas. The fact that the snake in question died shortly after it was acquired means that it was infected prior to Mr Hunter receiving it.

The fact that this particular snake was infected prior to being shipped to Mr Hunter is pretty much airtight when you look at the totality of information. The question at hand is whether it contracted the virus at SDV, or at the source from which Mr Picolla acquired it? Since the snake appeared outwardly healthy, he would have had no way of knowing it was actually infected at the time of sale.

As for the snakes that passed through Bill Cagle's facility, I can't really comment on them since I have no idea how long they were in his posession before changing hands to Chris whatever his last name is and subsequently dying. It may just be coincidental that these snakes also were infected with IBD, or it may not. Without further clarification on how long had passed between acquisition and death, I won't even attempt an educated guess on the matter.

YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR WORDS. WHO EVER SAID THAT THIS PERFECTLY HEALTHY SNAKE; APPEARANCE
WISE, LEFT MY FACILITY WITH THE VIRUS.CATCH YOURSELF MAN. THATS HOW FIRES GET STARTED.THE FACT IS NOBODY KNOWS WHERE IT CAME FROM. THAT ONE LITTLE COMMENT
CAN CAUSE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. CONSIDER WHAT YOU SAID.

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AFTER READING YOUR POST THOROUGHLY I CAN SEE YOU HAVE BEEN MISINFORMED AND ARE UNEDUCATED.
MR HUNTER HAD SOME BOAS THAT DIED IMMEDIATLY.THAT WERE IN HIS COLLECTION.SO WHICH ONE IS IT MY FRIEND,
I SENT HIM THE IBD? MR. HUNTER HAD THE VIRUS IN HIS COLLECTION ALREADY. OR BOAS CAN CONTACT THE VIRUS
AND DIE IMMEDIATELY.WHICH ONE IS IT, OR ALL OF THE ABOVE. YOU ARE GOING DOWN A ROAD THAT YOU ARE DEFINITLY NOT EDUCATED ENOUGH TO MAKE THAT KIND
OF STATEMENT. IT JUST BACKFIRED ON YOU.STOP WHILE YOURE AHEAD AND READ ALL THE FACTS FIRST.

THIS IS A FULL STATEMENT REGARDING THE CIRCUMSTANCES INVOLVING
BILL CAGLE, MATT HUNTER, AND SAN DIEGO VIVARIUM. AS MANY OF US
HAVE WITNESSED THE SITUATION REGARDING THE IBD VIRUS IN CONJUNT-
ION WITH THE ABOVE THREE PARTIES, I DALE PICOLLA, OWNER OF SAN DIEGO VIVARIUM, GIVE GARY WALSH PERMISSION TO MAKE THIS STATEMENT,ON MY BEHALF, A spam_FULL ACCOUNT OF THE EVENTS THAT TRANSPIRED BETWEEN BILL CAGLE AND MYSELF.I WILL ALSO ADDRESS
THE ISSUES REGARDING MR. HUNTER AND I.

IN EARLY OCT. WHILE ATTENDING AN IRBA SHOW, I PURCHASED A TRIO OF C.B. SURINAME BOAS FROM A 16 YR. OLD KID. THESE ANIMALS WERE RAISED UP FROM BABIES, AND WERE THE ONLY ANIMALS THIS KID HAD.
HIS PARENTS WERE FORCING HIM TO GET RID OF THEM.
THE BOAS APPEARED WELL TAKEN CARE OF, WITH EXCELLANT BODY WEIGHT. THEY WERE 5.5.FT. I BROUGHT THE ANIMALS HOME AND PLACED THEM IN A QUARANTINE STATUS. THEY WERE MITE FREE WHEN I BOUGHT THEM. I WAITED A WEEK AND THEN FED THE ANIMALS WHICH ALL FED READILY. THERE WAS NO REGURGE OR FUNKY STOOLS SHOWN FROM ANY OF THE THREE.I KNOW I FED ALL OF THEM ONCE BUT I MIGHT HAVE FED THE GIRLS A SECOND TIME. AROUND THE SAME TIME OR NOT TO FAR AFTER
I DECIDED TO POST A PAIR OF PERUVIAN REDTAIL BOAS UP ON KINGSNAKE. THE FEMALE WAS THIS SPECTACULAR SPECIMAN AT TEN FT +, 50+ LBS.
WITHIN A FEW HOURS OF POSTING, I HAD 20 E-MAILS ON THE PAIR, THREE OF THEM FROM CAGLE. I DECIDED TO CALL HIM FIRST. HE ASKED A FEW QUESTIONS AND IMMEDIATELY SAID HE WANTED THEM, AND COMMITTED
TO PURCHASING THEM. I LOWERED THE PRICE DOWN FOR HIM A BIT UPON HIS REQUEST. THEN I DIDNT HERE FROM HIM FOR A COUPLE DAYS.
I GET A PHONE CALL FROM HIM FINALLY, ASKING ME IF I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN TRADE FOR THE SNAKE. THIS IS AFTER WE HAD REACHED A
CASH AGREEMENT. THIS WENT ON FOR ONE WEEK. I AM A VERY PATIENT
MAN, BUT THIS CLOWN WAS BEGINNING TO TEST ME. THE WHOLE TIME
THIS IS GOING ON HE KEEPS ASSURING ME THAT HE IS GOING TO BUY THEM.I HAD ALREADY POSTED THE ANIMALS AS SOLD, SO I WAS BANKING ON MR. CAGLES WORD. AT THE TIME I SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO SOME CLOSE ASSOCIATES WHO WARNED ME NOT TO GET INVOLVED WITH THIS GUY. THE PROBLEM IS I AM TO LENIENT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS CRAP.
FINALLY THREE WEEKS HAVE PASSED AND NO MONEY FROM BILLY CAGLE.
HE EVEN SUGGESTED I SEND THEM TO HIM COD. I CAN ALREADY HERE ALL THE PEOPLE LAUGHING OUT THERE WHO HAVE BEEN BURNED BY THIS GUY. WELL THIS IS NO LAUGHING MATTER. THIS GUY IS A METHODICAL
CON ARTIST WHO NEEDS TO BE STOPPED.I AM NOT GOING TO GET OFF ON A TANGENT HERE, WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GOWITH THIS POST. THAT IS JUST MY ANGER STARTING TO RISE. YOU MAY SEE IT FROM TIME TO TIME DURING THIS POST.SO THE THREE WEEKS PAST, AND GUESS WHAT BILLY STILL WANTS THE SNAKES BUT NO MONEY; OH, BUT IT IS ON THE WAY.
FINALLY I TELL HIM,THAT I AM DOING THE ATLANTA SHOW, AND HE CAN MEET ME DOWN THERE IF HE WOULD LIKE. HIS REPLY: YEAH, YEAH, SURE,
SURE, DALE, AND ILL JUST SLAP THE CASH RIGHT INTO YOUR HAND.
WELL, HE IS AWARE OF OTHER BOAS I HAVE FOR SALE, SO HE SUGGESTS
THAT HE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN SOME MORE. AND OF COURSE MONEY IS NOT A PROBLEM.AT THIS POINT I GUESS IT IS SAFE TO SAY THIS GUY IS THE PROBLEM. SO WE MAKE THE ARRANGEMENTS TO MEET IN ATLANTA.
MY FIRST STOP IS MIAMI, WHERE I AM MEETING A FRIEND TO DRIVE UP AND DO THE SHOW FOR ME. UPON ARRIVAL IN MIAMI, I RECIEVE MY SHIPPED SNAKES FROM SAN DIEGO,AND SECURE THEM FOR TRANSPORT TO
ATLANTA. MY FRIENDS DAD WHO HAS 30+ YRS OF EXPERINCE LOOKED OVER ALL MY ANIMAL UPON ARRIVAL AND WAS VERY IMPRESSED.
HE IS A DOCTOR AND GAVE THEM A THOROUGH GOING OVER. HE LIKED THEM SO MUCH THAT HE MADE ME AN OFFER ON THE PERUVIANS.
I TOOK IT! AND I AM NOT SAYING IT IS RIGHT, BUT I GOT SUCH A RUN AROUND FROM CAGLE PRIOR TO THIS THAT I DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT
THE SITUATION AS IT STOOD, AND YOU WILL SEE AS THIS WHOLE NIGHTMARE UNFOLDS.WELL IN ANY EVENT I TRANSPORTED TWO SEVEN FOOT SURINAMES AND THE TRIO OF C.B. SURINAME TO ATLANTA FOR MR.
CAGLE. WHEN I GOT TO ATLANTA, I MET CAGLE, AND INFORMED HIM THE PERUVIANS GOT LOST IN SHIPPING. THIS IS SOMETHING I REGRET, BUT I DIDNT WANT TO LOSE A POTENTIAL SALE WITH THIS GU, SO I MADE UP THAT STORY. I APOLOGIZE NOT TO YOU CAGLE, BUT TO NOT FOLLOWING THE CODE OF INTEGRITY. I AM SURE THERE WAS ANOTHER WAY TO HANDLE IT
BUT AT THE TIME I WASNT FOCUSED ON PLEASING CAGLE. ANYWAY HE IS A LITTLE AGONIZED OVER THE PERUVIAN SITUATION,BUT MANAGES TO GET HIMSELF FOCUSED ON THE OTHER ANIMALS. THIS IS WHERE THIS GETS GOOD. MR. CAGLE INSPECTS THES ANIMALS FOR OVER A HOUR. I THOUGHT
HE WAS GOING TO MAKE LOVE TO ONE OF THEM.WHAT I REALIZE NOW, WAS THAT HE WAS GETTING HIS NERVE UP TO BEND ME OVER A CHAIR BILLY CAGLE STLYE.A RUMP RANGER I AM NOT, SO THAT WASNT GOING TO HAPPEN. THIS WHOLE INSPECTION PERIOD WAS WITNESSED BY THREE INDIVIDUALS INCLUDING THE KID CAGLE BROUGHT DOWN.THERE WERE NO MITES ON THESE ANIMALS! AND BELIVEVE ME CAGLE WAS STROKIN EM LIKE 12 YR OLD WHO JUST SET HIS SIGHTS ON HIS FIRT SET OF TATERS.
IF THERE WERE MITES ON THOSE ANIMALS YOU WOULD OF HEARD IT FROM THIS GUY. THE ONLY PROBLEM THAT CAME UP WAS ONE OF THE ANIMALS
WAS MIS-SEXED. A BIG SURRY. HE WAS WHINNIN UP AND DOWN ABOUT IT.
YOU NEED TO LOWER YOUR PRICE FOR ME .ANGER MANAGEMENT HAS DONE ME GOOD. AND MY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS QUACK PROVES IT.
HE MAKES ME AN OFFER ON ALL THE ANIMALS. THE OFFER WAS WAY
BELOW WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR THE ANIMALS, BUT, I STILL MADE A DECENT PROFIT, AND I AM NOT IN THE GOUGING BUSINESS. REF:COMPARE MY PRICES WITH CAGLES AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I MEAN.I STILL HAVENT FIGURED OUT WHAT ALL HIS BOAS ARE SCREAMIN AT. ANYWAY,HE GOES AWAY AVERY HAPPY MAN, AND EVEN MAKES A REFERENCE ON A POST
STATING HOW HE GOT A SUPER DEAL ON SOME SUPER ANIMALS.I WOULS LIKE TO ADD AT THE PARTICULAR TIME OF THE SALE, I HAD NO SIGNS WHAT
SO EVER OF ANY IBD IN ANY OF MY COLLECTION. WHICH AT THE TIME WAS OVER 50 BOAS FOR SALE, AND 20 OR SO BREEDERS.WELL THAT WAS DEC.3 I SOLD THOSE TO BILLY. THEN AROUND MID JAN, I GET A CALL FROM CHRIS RED.HE FIRST E-MAILED ME TO ASK ME IF I SOLD SOME SURIANMES TO BILL CAGLE. HE HAD PURCHASED A PAIR FROM BILLY, AND WAS TOLD THAT THEY CAME FROM ME.HECHRIS SENT ME A PIC OF THE ANIMAL INQUESTION, AND SURE ENOUGH IT WAS ONE OF THE SURRYS. CHRIS THEN INFORMED ME
THAT THE ANIMAL WASNT DOING THAT GREAT, AND I THINK HE SAID IT WAS PUKING UP SOME CRAP. THIS WAS NOT EH SAME BOA I SENT TO CAGLE.
HE SAID IT WAS THIN, AND LET ME TELL YOU, THESE SURRYS WERENT THIN.
HELL, I DIDNT KNOW WHAT TO SAY TO THIS POOR KID, OTHER THEN I FELT BAD FOR HIM. HE WAS ALSO TEELING ME HOW CAGLE WAS GIVING HIM THE RUNAROUND AND WAS VERY HARD TO DEAL WITH.WELL CAGLE REPLACED THE SNAKE FOR CHRIS,BUT CHRIS INFORMED ME THE SNAKE CAGLE REPLACED HAD PROBLEMS. LETS SEE HOW DID HE PUT IT. I PUT THIS SNAKE ON ITS BACK, AND IT HAS A HARD TIME FLIPPIN OVER. DAMN, THAT SOUNDS LIKE ONE OF THOSE SCREAMERS.RIGHT THERE I NEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG, BUT I DIDNT WANT TO GET TO INVOLVED. THERE IS A ETHICS CODE WE HERPERS LIKE TO PRACTICE. WELL IM SORRY BILLY, YOU HAVE STEPPED OVER THE LINE.SO THE SURRY DIES, AND WELL YOU KNOW THE REST.I NEVER GOT A PHONE CALL FROM CAGLE UPON THE RESULTS OF THAT DEAD ANIMAL, AND CGLE I WANT TO KNOW WHY. AND DONT GIVE SOME BACKWOODS BULL#### STORY ABOUT OH I DIDNT WANT TO STIR THE POT CRAP. IF YOU NEW ABOUT A SNAKE THAT DIED OF IBD AND YOU GOT IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE REGARDLESS IF THE SNAKE COULD HAVE CONTRACTED THE VIRUS AT YOURE FACILITY, WOULDNT YOU STILL WANT THAT PERSON TO KNOW, ANSWER ME CAGLE, I WANT TO KNOW, BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS ME! YOU ARE OVERLOOKING, BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN
SELFISHNESS,THE IMPORTANCE OF INFORMING AND COMMUNICATING
IN REGARDS TO SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE. A STUNT LIKE THIS IS BORDERING PROSECUTION, SO QUIT THREATENING PEOPLE WITH YOUR ATTORNEY, BECAUSE THERE ARE 10 PEOPLE WHO WOULD LOVE TO STRIKE BACK AT YOU.IF ANY OF YOU ARE BAND WAGONING WITH THIS NEGLIGENT
CRACKPOT, YOU HAD BETTER WAKE UP. LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU AGAIN. BIIL CAGLE SOLD A YOUNG MAN A SNAKE THAT DIED OF IBD, YET MR. HUMANITARIAN REFUSED TO INFORM ME. DO WE GET IT YET.
I WILL STATE THAT TO THIS DAY I STILL HAVE NO SIGNS OF THE VIRUS IN MY COLLECTION, BUT IT SURE WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO KNOW.
ON TO THE NEXT EPISODE. APPARENTLY AFTER THIS SNAKE DIED, CAGLES
REMARK WAS, I THOGHT THAT SNAKE LOOKED A LITTLE QUEER. LET ME STOP THERE. HOW IN WORLD DOES A SNAKE GO FROM LOOKING SUPER TO QUEER. I NEED TO POINT OUT EVERY LITTLE INCONSISTANCY IN YOUR GARBLED STATEMENTS TO EXPOSE YOU FOR WHO YOU ARE, THIS ISNT SLANDER BILLY. THESE ARE DOCUMENTED FACTS, THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY CONCERNED INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT YOU
TO COME TO GRIP WITH REALITY.PEOPLE I HAVE GOTTEN NUMEROUS E-MAILS FROM PAST CAGLE CUSTOMERS.THEY ARE NOT PRETTY. THIS IBD HAS SCARED SO MANY OF THEM THAT THEY FEEL HELPLESS.DO YOU WANT A LAWSUIT BILL? IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? I WANT TO KNOW.
SO DO OTHERS.
ONE OF THE REASONS I FEEL THAT THIS HAS CONTINUED ON THIS WAY IS
SIMPLE. CAGLE TOOK A LOT OF HEAT, BOTH ON THE FORUM AND BOI.
TO COVER HIS WELL YOU KNOW, HE POINTS THE FINGER AT SDV. WHAT COMES TO EVERYONES MIND FIRST, AND IT SHOULD BE IGNORANCE.
BILLY YOU ARE BUYNG ANIMALS RIGHT AND LEFT, YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHERE HALF OF THEM COME FROM. LET ME STOP, THIS IS DOCUMENTED PEOPLE BY INDIVIDUALS WHO CAGLE HAS CONTACTED WITHIN THE LAST MONTH, SOME OF THEM BUSINESS ASSOCIATES OF MINE WHO ARE SAYING BILLY IS LOOKING FOR ANIMALS.I NEED NOT SAY MORE.
BILL JUST COME TO THE REALIZATION THAT YOU COULD HAVE IBD IN YOUR COLLECTION, AND THAT IS HALF THE BATTLE. ADMITTANCE WILL CURE YOURE DENIAL.I TALKE TO MANY INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE KNOWN BREEDERS WHO WILL BE THE FIRST TO SAY: AND I COMMEND THEM FOR THIS, THAT
THEY COULD VERY WELL POSSIBLY HAVE IBD IN THERE COLLECTION, AND NOT EVEN KNOW IT. GOD, I LOVE WHEN PEOPLE STAND UP AND LOOK BEYOND THEIR ARROGANGE AND MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE THAT.
JUST A LITTLE LESSON ON EHTICAL PRACTICES BILLY, DONT TAKE PERSONALLY,
TAKE IT TO HEART!
PEOPLE DO I NEED TO REALLY GO ON?
YES
SO AS THIS PLOT THICKENS AND THE DREADED E-MAILS KEEP POURIN IN
ABOUT DISGRUNTELED CAGLE CUSTOMERS, I BEGIN TO GET TO THAT SICK POINT
WHERE I JUST WANT TO ABANDON THIS PASSION OF REPTILES ONCE AND FOR ALL.BUT I CANT. THAT IS WHY I AM PREPARED TO EITHER ADDRESS THIS WITH YOU LOGICALLY AND PEACEFULLY, OR IF NEED BE IN A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT, AND LET ME TELL YOU THAT WAS NOT MY IDEA. HUMBLE YOURSELF BILLY SOON; PLEASE.
SOME OF THE E-MAILS I AM GETTING FROM PEOPLE REGARDING THEIR
DEALINGS WITH CAGLE REPTILES ARE AS FOLLOWS
1. SKINNY EMACIATED SNAKES WITH SCARS ON THEM THAT WERENT
REALLY REVEALED IN POSTS
2. BODY LUMPS.
3. SNAKES THAT JUST MYSTERIOSLY DIED AFTER A SHORT PERIOD UPON ARRIVAL
I AM GOING TO STOP THERE. A GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE COMPILING ALL THE EVIDENCE IN THE EVENT OF A POTENTIAL LAWSUIT.
LET ME ADD THAT THESE WERE SOME OF THE SCREAMERS CAGLE HAD POSTED.

IM DONE WITH THIS PART NOW. CAGLE YOU HAVE ANGERED ME. NOT GOOD
ENOUGH TO TAKE ACTION.THESE ARE COLD HARD FACTS THAT I CAN BACK UP AND WILL. IT DIDNT HAVE TO COME TO THIS. BUT THAT IS NOT REALLY FAIR TO SAY SINCE YOU HAVE PISSED SO MANY PEOPLE OFF. IT WOULD HAVE EVENTUALLY CAUGHT UP WITH YOU.
ANYBODY READING THIS, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME THERE IS MORE TO THIS SAGA, BUT I THINK YOU ALL GET THE POINT.
LET ME SAY THIS IBD THING IS SO CREEPY AND I WOULD BE A FOOL TO SAY I COULD NEVER GET IT OR HAVE HAD IT BUT I HAVE NO CLINICAL SIGNS OF IT AND NEVER DID. I DID DECIDE TO PUT A FEW ANIMALS DOWN THAT WERE
AROUND THE SURRYS WHEN THEY WERE HERE THOUGH FOR MY OWN PEACE OF MIND. THAT IS MY STATEMENT REGARDING THE SDV, CAGLE AND IBD SAGA.

NOW FOR THE MATT HUNTER STATEMENT.
MATT IS A GOOD EHTICAL GUY WHO SELLS QUALITY ANIMALS. HE IS UP FRONT ABOUT HIS BOAS AND INFOMATIVE TO HIS CUSTOMERS. I KNOW THIS
BECAUSE I HAVE TALKED TO A FEW..
THE ONLY MISUNDERSTANDING WE HAD WAS OVER THE DISCUSSION, ABOUT A PET STORE IN SAN DIEGO WHO HAD A KNOWN CASE OF IBD.
MATT HAD THOUGHT THAT I HAD PURCHASED A BOA FROM THAT STORE.
WHAT WAS CONVEYED WAS THAT I HAD BOUGHT ANIMALS FROM THERE
BUT NOT BOAS OR SNAKES FOR THAT MATTER. BUT THAT THIS PARTICULAR
STORE AND PETER KAHL WERE THE ONLY KNOWN IBD CASES I HAD EVER HEARD ABOUT PRIOR TO THIS.
MATT CLAIMS THAT HE FEELS HE WAS FORCED TO POST ABOUT ME, AND
IS SORRY FOR THE PROBLEMS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF IT.
MATT PURCHASED A HEALTHY LOOKING ANIMAL FROM ME THAT DIED FROM IBD.THIS GIRL WAS IN MY COLLECTION AND A FRIENDS FOR 4 YRS.NEVER SHOWED A SIGN OF IBD, AND THATS WHAT SCARY BECAUSE THERE IS A LESSON FOR EVERYONE TO LEARN HEAR. MATT AND I STILL DONT KNOW WHERE THIS SHOWED UP, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU BOTH OF US HAVE
PUT AWAY ANY ANIMALS THAT WERE EXPOSED TO THIS GIRL.
MATT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE WHO DOESNT LIVE IN THIS MAKE BELIEVE WORLD THAT EXCLUDES HIM FROM ANY POTENTIA;L HARM.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. IBD HASNT GONE AWAY YET, BUT IGNORANCE
AND MALICIOUS UNSUBSTANTIATED FINGER POINTING CAN.

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Dale asked me if I would post this as a neutral party and I agreed to do so. spam_I have no connection with either Bill Cagle or Dale Picolla, I would just like the truth to be known .


Gary Walsch
Sunshine State Reptiles


Hope this helps and doesn't just stir the pot.

I have no problem whatsoever making the statements that I have, Mr Picolla. I don't know if you're trying to intimidate me with your standoffish demeanor, and really don't care one way or the other.

It appears that I gave you more credit for character than you apparently deserve. Is an ad hominem attack the best reply that you can make to a factual post? I had hoped for something a bit more mature from you.

Let's address your rambling point by point, shall we?

"YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR WORDS. WHO EVER SAID THAT THIS PERFECTLY HEALTHY SNAKE; APPEARANCE
WISE, LEFT MY FACILITY WITH THE VIRUS.CATCH YOURSELF MAN."
As I have said, and you have repeated, the snake appeared perfectly healthy upon leaving your facility. You would have had know way of knowing it was carrying the virus. I never inferred that you were knowingly selling an infected snake.

"THATS HOW FIRES GET STARTED."
I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but this fire has already been started. Although you are trying to quell the fire by denying the evidence, it is there.

"THE FACT IS NOBODY KNOWS WHERE IT CAME FROM."
We can be reasonably certain that the snake in question was infected prior to entering Mr Turner's facility. IBD progresses very slowly in Boa constrictor ssp. Infected snakes can remain asymptomatic for periods of over a year.

"THAT ONE LITTLE COMMENT CAN CAUSE A LOT OF PROBLEMS."
That one little comment, along with the rest of my reply stands. If you can counter them with factual evidence, then I invite you to do so.

"CONSIDER WHAT YOU SAID."
I already have. That is why I had posted it.

"AFTER READING YOUR POST THOROUGHLY I CAN SEE YOU HAVE BEEN MISINFORMED AND ARE UNEDUCATED."
I'm flattered that you are concerned about my mental prowess Mr Picolla. Since you seem to think that I am misinformed, I invite you to educate me with facts. I'm sort of a stickler for facts sir, so I would ask that you try to use them to support your assertions.

As for being uneducated... 99th percentile on most standardized tests, Associate's in Aircraft Maintenance Technology, two semesters away from concurrent Bachelor's degrees in Criminal Justice & Biology, professional affiliations that include the Herpetologists' League, American Society of Ichthyologists & Herpetologists, Society for the Study of Amphibians and Reptiles, American Zoo and Aquarium Association, and American Association of Zoo Keepers. I have also discussed IBD in depth with Dr Elliot Jacobson, who is the leading authority on the disease. To a lesser extent, I have also consulted with with Dr's Mader & Frye.

Thank you for inquiring though.

"MR HUNTER HAD SOME BOAS THAT DIED IMMEDIATLY.THAT WERE IN HIS COLLECTION."
A the story goes, if you care to reread the first post in this thread, the snake in question is one that you sent him, which died shortly thereafter.

"SO WHICH ONE IS IT MY FRIEND, I SENT HIM THE IBD? MR. HUNTER HAD THE VIRUS IN HIS COLLECTION ALREADY. OR BOAS CAN CONTACT THE VIRUS AND DIE IMMEDIATELY.WHICH ONE IS IT, OR ALL OF THE ABOVE."
As I've said, the most likely scenario is that the snake in question was infected prior to being shipped. Boas do not die immediately after contracting IBD.

"YOU ARE GOING DOWN A ROAD THAT YOU ARE DEFINITLY NOT EDUCATED ENOUGH TO MAKE THAT KIND
OF STATEMENT."
Please refer to my earlier response about my education on this matter. Suffice it to say that I do have a sound herpetological background and enough rudimentary veterinary knowledge to make the statements that I have.

"IT JUST BACKFIRED ON YOU."
Sorry to disappoint you, but nothing has backfired.

"STOP WHILE YOURE AHEAD AND READ ALL THE FACTS FIRST."
I do base my judgement on all the facts at hand Mr Picolla, that is why I chose not to make further comment on the boas that passed through Bill Cagle's hands. In regards to Mr Turner, I have drawn a reasonable conclusion based upon: a) what is known about IBD, specifically in Boa constrictor ssp, and b) the details of the transaction presented before us here.

If you care to reread my reply, at no time did I fault you for this snake passing through your facility, nor did I conclude that your facility was the source of the infection- it is entirely possible that it was infected prior to you even acquiring it.

Not sure why Dales having you post this when he can post & respond here himself but after reading it I see why Dale didn't want to post that himself, what a joke that was,Dale, thats a really nice story you have there, but lets face it, didn't all the animals that came from you die & lab test so far prove some died of IBD? ooops why am asking you, you just admitted you lied to Bill about the Peruvs (my bad) The facts we have here are all the snakes that died came from you. You are trying to to shift blame &nbsp;but when it comes right down to it they all came from you. You. You sound like a politician saying alot but nothing important to add to the matter at hand here. What does the 16 year have to do with the Peruvs , is that to say you shipped them all together & thats what happened. How your transaction went with Cagle has nothing to do with the subject at hand here. Your trying to shift your problem his way & I don't think it's working.
The truths speaks for itself.
Chris Pearson