Reptster.com experience with show sponsorship not good

Originally Posted by BLUEBEASTREPTIL

The problem with this is that in the current situation, Kelly has only rolled up her sleeves and put fresh trash bags in the bucket. There's still dirty bedding in the bins. Part of the supposedly $750 agreement was setting up his booth at the show (which hasn't happened), passing out his marketing products at the show (which hasn't happened). So basically, you've put a link on your site, some printed flyers etc, and essentially nothing that really cost you anything more than you would have spent anyways. Without looking, I assume you've already pulled his links from your site.

Even if it's eventually decided that there was an agreement, do you still think he owes you $750 even though a vast majority of the "work" has not been done? I'm just trying to clarify....

Tyler, here is my question for you on this:
Am I still supposed to have him ship me his materials for setting up at the show, set up, run his booth, take the time to pass out MORE advertising materials for him, tear down his booth, ship his materials back, and THEN wait for him to pay for things? The agreement was made for a certain amount of money (doesn't matter how much in the end), and it is for SPONSORSHIP. Yes, David agreed that he didn't mind paying a bit more BECAUSE we would have to do the extra work. HOW can the rest of the "work" be done if the show isn't here? Am I just supposed to TRUST that he would pay after the show at this point after no communication at all for so long? Am I supposed to WAIT for him to pay because the show isn't here yet so that I CAN finish the rest of the agreement? How am I supposed to even set up him shipping things to me when he doesn't have the time to take 2 minutes to send me an email saying he was confused about the sponsorship amount?
Do I feel he still owes the entire $750 since this work was not done? YES, I certainly do. He AGREED to that fee by replying to my inquiries about payment by first setting up a payment plan which I already spoke about, and then by saying he was sending a check on 9/3 after ONCE AGAIN being quoted the sponsorship fee. I did my part, or at least EVERYTHING that I could do for my part, and HE breached the contract, NOT ME. I would have continued to fulfill my end of the bargain had he done a single thing on his end, but he couldn't even find the time to put up a banner ad, much less send out a check as a partial payment for the services.

Kelly Kordek

Originally Posted by GottaLuvHerps

Tyler, here is my question for you on this:
Am I still supposed to have him ship me his materials for setting up at the show, set up, run his booth, take the time to pass out MORE advertising materials for him, tear down his booth, ship his materials back, and THEN wait for him to pay for things? The agreement was made for a certain amount of money (doesn't matter how much in the end), and it is for SPONSORSHIP. Yes, David agreed that he didn't mind paying a bit more BECAUSE we would have to do the extra work. HOW can the rest of the "work" be done if the show isn't here? Am I just supposed to TRUST that he would pay after the show at this point after no communication at all for so long? Am I supposed to WAIT for him to pay because the show isn't here yet so that I CAN finish the rest of the agreement? How am I supposed to even set up him shipping things to me when he doesn't have the time to take 2 minutes to send me an email saying he was confused about the sponsorship amount?
Do I feel he still owes the entire $750 since this work was not done? YES, I certainly do. He AGREED to that fee by replying to my inquiries about payment by first setting up a payment plan which I already spoke about, and then by saying he was sending a check on 9/3 after ONCE AGAIN being quoted the sponsorship fee. I did my part, or at least EVERYTHING that I could do for my part, and HE breached the contract, NOT ME. I would have continued to fulfill my end of the bargain had he done a single thing on his end, but he couldn't even find the time to put up a banner ad, much less send out a check as a partial payment for the services.

Kelly Kordek

No, you're not supposed to have him ship you the stuff, or anything else about the show, that's fine. Call it a done deal at this point, you have every right to. But really, this was nothing more than an inconvienence for you, and like I said before, you really don't have any money into it that you wouldn't have had in there anyways. People back out of things like this all the time. Is it an inconvienence? Sure it was, but you act like he ripped you off and owes you $750 when you haven't even done 3/4 of the things you and him supposedly agreed to on the phone. You now officially have put more time into this thread than you have lost in your and his transaction. I don't assume Dave is off the hook yet, since you did have his name on the flyers and the site, but realistically, do you think he owes you $750? Apparently you do.

This might be going out on a limb, but have you ever considered the fact that you might have benefitted from his name being on your flyer as much or more than he did by being on your website and some flyers? When Reptiles Magazine, Kingsnake.com, Zoo Med or any large company (and I tend to consider Reptster a large company) is put on a flyer, it gives THE SHOW SOME CREDIBILITY.

On top of all this, as was said before, you could have just waited on payment before listing him as a sponsor. Sure, we like to take people in the industry's word on things, but I think it should be just written down as a lesson learned. If you can get a few hundred bucks out of him for the flyers, more power to you.

Originally Posted by BLUEBEASTREPTIL

No, you're not supposed to have him ship you the stuff, or anything else about the show, that's fine. Call it a done deal at this point, you have every right to. But really, this was nothing more than an inconvienence for you, and like I said before, you really don't have any money into it that you wouldn't have had in there anyways. People back out of things like this all the time. Is it an inconvienence? Sure it was, but you act like he ripped you off and owes you $750 when you haven't even done 3/4 of the things you and him supposedly agreed to on the phone. You now officially have put more time into this thread than you have lost in your and his transaction. I don't assume Dave is off the hook yet, since you did have his name on the flyers and the site, but realistically, do you think he owes you $750? Apparently you do.

This might be going out on a limb, but have you ever considered the fact that you might have benefitted from his name being on your flyer as much or more than he did by being on your website and some flyers? When Reptiles Magazine, Kingsnake.com, Zoo Med or any large company (and I tend to consider Reptster a large company) is put on a flyer, it gives THE SHOW SOME CREDIBILITY.

On top of all this, as was said before, you could have just waited on payment before listing him as a sponsor. Sure, we like to take people in the industry's word on things, but I think it should be just written down as a lesson learned. If you can get a few hundred bucks out of him for the flyers, more power to you.

I am more in line with this frame of mind.

Not everything was done, and therefore i dont think ALL that money is owed. Maybe compensation for services already preformed, but certainly not the whole 750.00. I think both parties can walk out of this happy, and with a good lesson learned.

I do agree that this should no longer be ignored or put off though. It should be addressed, and addressed immediately. A half hour of ones time is WORTH it for an entire reputation.

David may not owe the full amount but he does owe for what has been done so far and at the very minimum, he owes and explanation of what happened to the promotor.

Right now his silence is working against him IMO.

Terry, it appears as though you're running your own reptile show, and reptster is associated with it. If you disagree with the way Mr. Young is being portrayed then share your personal experience with us. Instead of defending him for reasons that are absolutely insane (the AGREED UPON price was too much, we haven't heard Mr. Young's side of the story, the reptile business is full of people that don't pay), why don't you explain why you have a different opinion of Mr. Young.

As of now, there could be a million acceptable reasons that Mr Young has not paid the $750. The fact that he has refused to post here in the BOI and that he refuses to communicate with Kelly in any way is where the real problem lies.

I did not see an e-mail where David agreed to anything,very onesided, but this is the dogpack of the B.O.I . If my posts do not make sense to you stop reading them.

Originally Posted by Dixie Reptiles

I did not see an e-mail where David agreed to anything,very onesided, but this is the dogpack of the B.O.I . If my posts do not make sense to you stop reading them.

One of the reasons that the BOI exists is so both parties can state their side of the story. I know that in many instances, people here have jumped to conclusions based on only a few facts. In this circumstance, however, I believe that most have withheld judgment and were hoping to see David attempt to rectify or explain his side of the situation.

David has had numerous opportunities to contact Kelly privately prior to this thread being made. He also has the opportunity to share his side of the story within this thread. I encourage him to respond to this thread or contact Kelly privately in order to resolve this issue. If he continues to remain silent, then our only choice is to assume the worst. I hope that this situation turns out well for both parties, and the chance is still there for that to happen. The worst possible outcome is that David continues to remain silent.

Originally Posted by Dixie Reptiles

I did not see an e-mail where David agreed to anything,very onesided, but this is the dogpack of the B.O.I . If my posts do not make sense to you stop reading them.

I agree completely Terry...very one sided....that's why it behooves David to offer the other side.

Well, I have to weigh in here, as I promote shows.
From what has been posted, is it very one-sided.
However, IF there WAS an agreement for "said" sponsorship/promotion, then I side with the OP. Show promoters lay out a lot of advance money for printing, radio, etc. and count on that money coming in.

I, along with everyone else here, (except for a few), would like to here from Reptster.com.

*here=hear