Craig Tillem @ Gold Coast Reptiles

Just wondering if anyone else has had a bad expierence with this *bleeb idy bleeb* Personally i have recieved horrible customer service from him, and will probably have to end up taking him to court to get my animals paper work settled. Any and all opions of this individuals so called business will be takin with a grain of salt. I for one will NEVER deal with this low life again! If you are thinking about purchasing animals from him i'd look else where.

Sincerely,

Corey Greene

Corey , well i think ill speak for ua ll , since we can only go by what is said , i think in the defense of the person you call a BAD GUY you need to explain what it is he did and be a lil more in depth then jusy coming on and calling someone bad and using the vindictive post you did . not saying he is or isnt spam_what you are claimng ... but IMO your post looks like a vindetta more then ligit posting so when you see this please explain the deal that made you feel this way to let us all know what is goin on .

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We'll this will get ugly, Needless to say i despise this man as i am sure you can already tell. Awhile back i purchased a breeding group of 2.1 Green & White Sanzinia from him for a substantial amount of money. These snakes are on CITES I and need legal documentation, which he said that he would be sending with the snakes (c.b. zoo documents). Well when i recieved the animals guess what? No papers, so I imediatly called him and he assured me that they would be in the mail first thing in the morning, well after a week or so i knew that he in fact did not send them. So we talked again and now he said that he misplaced them. Well enough excuses CRAIG, last night i finally got fed up with his BS and reported him to the Managment Authority of the United States Fish and Wildlife Service, which is responsible for implementing the Convention on International Trade in Endangerd Speices of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITIES) within the United States. The Management Authority also implements portions of the Endangered Species Act. As of now i am unsure of what the outcome will be. As long as he is strictly repremanded for this incident i will be happy. Selling undocumented endangerd animals is not to be taken lightly Craig.

Corey Greene

Corey
Gotta just wonder what kind of repercussions your actions could have for other herpers, not that I am damning your actions, you need those papers and they are justly yours
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Thanks &nbsp;Corey for the explanation , makes it so much easier to understand your gripes , lol ... well goodluck on your pursuit for whats &nbsp;yours ...

Corey - tread carefully where you are walking! &nbsp;There is a real good chance that those animals will get confiscated, then you will not only be without the papers, but also will lose the animals and the money you paid for them.

Rich, what choice does he have? &nbsp;He can't risk trying to keep,sell, or breed them w/o the papers. &nbsp;At least this way he'll have documentation that he has done everything right. &nbsp;

I know Craig from doing his shows, I will try and get in touch with him myself and see what's up. &nbsp;Hopefully ya'll can get this resolved BEFORE law enforcement gets involved.

Corey,

I agree with the WebSlave BIGTIME on this one. &nbsp;I think in one respect you did the right thing by reporting this guy for selling undocumented CITES animals, however, by reporting this Craig person, you have also reported yourself for harboring these animals AND purchasing these animals without those necessary papers. &nbsp;And to my understanding, that can have just as serious implications and repurcussions as him selling them to you. &nbsp;As the WebSlave said, the USFG could decide to charge you and confiscate the animals. &nbsp;Hopefully it will work out okay since you reported the possible fraudulent intent of the sale once you realized that proper papers were not forthcoming. &nbsp;
I wish you the best of luck in this and hope everything works out okay. &nbsp;But just realize that getting the government involved is like a double-edged sword, dangerous on both sides.

I think in this situation i would have asked to send the animals back to the dealer and get a full refund. I personally do not agree with calling USFW and reporting the dealer. These animals have most likely been through several hands and unfortunately paperwork can get lost. When this happens, most zoos are unwilling to replace documents that they have already provided once with the initial sale. Now the Sanzinia could very well be confiscated and end up back in a zoo!

I do understand Corey's frustration though, as the animals are borderline (it's a rather grey area) illegal without the proper documents. A similar situation happened to us once with a dealer who had an adult Madagascan tree boa for sale at a good price. We were interested in the animal but when we asked to see a copy of the paperwork on her he couldn't deliver and needless to say we were not interested anymore. If Corey was promised paperwork on the Sanzinia and did not receive it then that makes those animals (IMO) less valuable and not what was represented to him. He should have gotten a refund. Corey, I seriously doubt that will happen now, but you never know! Best of luck.

I realized that they may confiscate the animals, but i do not see why they would charge me with a crime when i was told they were legal animals and the papers were on there way, and i am the one reporting this action. I won't mind doing time if that is what its going to come to, Craigs going to need some company in that cold four cornerd room, cant think of a better canidate for a cell mate. As far as working this out with him or refunding the animals, personally i think the only way we will settle this is in a courtroom. I've tried to work with him and give him time to "find the Papers" but its time this issue is resolved. It may have been a different story if he would've taken some initiative to finish this deal. Seemed to me that as soon as i had the animals and he had mine that to him the deal was complete. We'll its been a year and its still not complete, it is time this is settled. If hes not going to settle this between the two of us then we can go before a judge and see what he has to say about it.

Corey Greene

P.S. BCP they are already involved with this matter, as well as my lawyer, if he wants to keep this out of the courtroom then tell him to stop procrastinating and give me a justifiable reason why i have not recieved these documents yet.