Vincent Menna AKA Anerythristic

Originally Posted by Black Adder

From what I understand as they refuse to show the belly side of the animal which would show if the white "pied" extends all the way round it, they think it is a "ringer" meaning it just has a ring of white that does not extend all the way round.

Even if it did extend all the way round it would be a very low pied

At least I think that is the reason but better people than me can correct as they see fit

On a ringer, the white "ring" can be a full, encircling, ring or a partial.
That snake looks like a ringer. Does not look Pied.
If Pied, I would expect that snake to have a "scewing", of pattern, (at least some) but it has absolutely none (except what is created by the ring). Also, a Pied will have a white belly but the OP has refused to post a belly shot when it was requested.

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Originally Posted by BillZ

From: http://jkrballstreetjournal.com/2014...-truly-random/

"Piebalds that are so highly patterned that no white is visible on the top of the snake, can still be readily identified by the unique markings common to low-white Pieds. However to 100% determine a low-white piebald from a “ringer“, the smoking gun is always the belly. Piebalds have a pattern-free belly that is left pure white because saddles do not extend across the ventral scales. Interestingly, the bottom of the head is a combination of both pattern and the white from the belly and develops a distinctive “grey wash” that blends into the white ventral scales of the neck."

A good read for all those interested in pieds whether you agree or not.

A more techno version.....lol

Originally Posted by BillZ

From: http://jkrballstreetjournal.com/2014...-truly-random/

"Piebalds that are so highly patterned that no white is visible on the top of the snake, can still be readily identified by the unique markings common to low-white Pieds. However to 100% determine a low-white piebald from a “ringer“, the smoking gun is always the belly. Piebalds have a pattern-free belly that is left pure white because saddles do not extend across the ventral scales. Interestingly, the bottom of the head is a combination of both pattern and the white from the belly and develops a distinctive “grey wash” that blends into the white ventral scales of the neck."

A good read for all those interested in pieds whether you agree or not.

Beat me to it. LoL
Thus is a better description, of a Pied, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Pasodama

On a ringer, the white "ring" can be a full, encircling, ring or a partial.
That snake looks like a ringer. Does not look Pied.
If Pied, I would expect that snake to have a "scewing", of pattern, (at least some) but it has absolutely none (except what is created by the ring). Also, a Pied will have a white belly but the OP has refused to post a belly shot when it was requested.

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Also, under the chin is a tell tale sign I believe. With that being said, What about this Low White. Pied or not? I am probably missing it but this does not appear to have any of the "pied" pattern either.

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Originally Posted by BillZ

Also, under the chin is a tell tale sign I believe. With that being said, What about this Low White. Pied or not? I am probably missing it but this does not appear to have any of the "pied" pattern either.

That is a Ringer.

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Very interesting stuff but think we are starting to stray off the original BOI topic a bit now, no need to labour this any more, just my thoughts

Originally Posted by Black Adder

Very interesting stuff but think we are starting to stray off the original BOI topic a bit now, no need to labour this any more, just my thoughts

True enough but it does point to the OP potentially selling a misrepresented snake and is someone who will not prove it is a Pied (or, more likely, won't listen to others who say it's not a Pied but that it is, actually, a ringer).

Speaking of the topic ...

What good would it do, for V. Menna to file a claim, anyway?
Even if FedEx found on his side, all that would be refunded is the shipping cost.
Also, FedEx clearly states, in their policy/terms, that they will not cover live animals.
This being the case, what is the end goal, that the OP seeks, for V. Menna to file a claim? For something to bolster, to an "unknown entity", that the snake was lost? For something else?
OP claims to have police involvement. Was a police report taken? What was the name of the officer? Is the officer city or county?

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Originally Posted by Pasodama

True enough but it does point to the OP potentially selling a misrepresented snake and is someone who will not prove it is a Pied (or, more likely, won't listen to others who say it's not a Pied but that it is, actually, a ringer).

Speaking of the topic ...

What good would it do, for V. Menna to file a claim, anyway?
Even if FedEx found on his side, all that would be refunded is the shipping cost.
Also, FedEx clearly states, in their policy/terms, that they will not cover live animals.
This being the case, what is the end goal, that the OP seeks, for V. Menna to file a claim? For something to bolster, to an "unknown entity", that the snake was lost? For something else?
OP claims to have police involvement. Was a police report taken? What was the name of the officer? Is the officer city or county?

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Agreed on everything you say there Deb, I am fairly sure this BOI has run its course, I still see no real fault on the actions of Mr Menna although the op obviously thinks otherwise.

So now he is selling the snake for 600.00 on Craigslist's but 800.00 still on here? Man I hope no one gets ripped off.