Mark Miller of LocoLizards

I am in the middle of a transaction with Mark Miller and have not heard from him since November 2007, and was wondering if anyone knew what was going on with him. Last that I heard he was having some personal issues, but still promised to get me updated photos of my animals while we waited for CITES. I was to understand that he had a good reputation so I put down a 50% deposit with him back in August of 2007 for a pair of triple het boas (2006 female, 2007 male) from Mark. I have Emailed him numerous times and I have phoned the number on his website and left messages to see if CITES has come in, and to get the promised updated photos from him - unfortunately he has not responded to any of my messages over the past month. If anyone knows of another way to get into contact with him I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you for your help.

-Will Shopik

Oh brother.
I am having the same issues as you are.I havnt had contact with him since Jan.08 and have tryed calling,emailing & pming him.
I paid $1500 for some 2007 boa's & cites fee's & was gonna order some 2008 babies from him.
If this continues I will make a full boi post with emails,etc.
Right now all i want is my money back so I can start looking for some simalar boas and not loose a year with the breeding plans I have.
Todd Peddle

I hate to say it that you should have searched and read the BOI before sending this loser any money.

See http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69024&highlight=LocoLizards. While it's true that the OP in that thread had issues of his own, the plain truth is that Mark took his money and held it for a long time, using it essentially as an interest free loan.

You might also want to read http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101801&highlight=LocoLizards.

Unfortunately Mark Miller is not to be trusted.

Jim O said:

I hate to say it that you should have searched and read the BOI before sending this loser any money.

See http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69024&highlight=LocoLizards. While it's true that the OP in that thread had issues of his own, the plain truth is that Mark took his money and held it for a long time, using it essentially as an interest free loan.

You might also want to read http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101801&highlight=LocoLizards.

Unfortunately Mark Miller is not to be trusted.

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You are right man.Trusting someone that you thought was a good and fair person was a big mistake by me & might have cost me $1500 and a year wasted.I have interacted with Mark on a boa forum & never expected this type of thing to happen.From what I could see over the years on that forum I thought Mark tryed to take care of all the members there.Looks like I might have been mistaken.I am still hoping he can clean things up but it has been 3 months since I last got in contact with him and now I am really concerned.
Todd Peddle.

There are NUMEROUS stories about Mark and his NUMEROUS issues from stealing animals to stealing people's money. As Jim stated, you simply cannot trust him. I personally know of one individual alone that he owes over $6000 to and has owed this for a few years. He simply blew the guy off knowing full well that their proximity, or lack thereof, was enough to ensure a lawsuit would be tough.

Griz

rockyballboa said:

Oh brother.
I am having the same issues as you are.I havnt had contact with him since Jan.08 and have tryed calling,emailing & pming him.
I paid $1500 for some 2007 boa's & cites fee's & was gonna order some 2008 babies from him.
If this continues I will make a full boi post with emails,etc.
Right now all i want is my money back so I can start looking for some simalar boas and not loose a year with the breeding plans I have.
Todd Peddle

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He has been posting ads for animals in kingsnake.com. Maybe you could try to contact him through his ads.

Best of lucks!

Jim O said:

I hate to say it that you should have searched and read the BOI before sending this loser any money.

See http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69024&highlight=LocoLizards. While it's true that the OP in that thread had issues of his own, the plain truth is that Mark took his money and held it for a long time, using it essentially as an interest free loan.

You might also want to read http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101801&highlight=LocoLizards.

Unfortunately Mark Miller is not to be trusted.

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I found the fist link when I did some checking up on him and I read the entire thing, what I found was they were both at fault. As it was Marks first time shipping internationally and all that, I thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. Had I seen the second thread I don't think that I would have dealt with him. Man this is really discouraging I'm glad at least that my other American transaction went well. I'll have to look into what kind of legal action I can take.

If any of you are interested I can post all of the Emails that were sent between Mark and I.

-Will Shopik

I'd say post away. Seems he has had this bad habit for a long time now.

Maybe a thread in the Canadian BOI would be a good idea too, since he ain't against international fraudulent activities. Give everyone the heads up.

My 2¢
Rick

As advised, I'm posting the communications between Mark Miller and myself. They read from the bottom up, since November 30/2007 I have sent approximately 4 emails (unfortunately I did not send a copy of these emails to myself and therefore cannot trace back to when I first started pushing for a response - I estimate the date to be mid-February) and as previously mentioned I've phoned him 3 times. Sorry if it's a bit of an eyesore.

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Re: Triple Hets to Canada‏
From: Locolizards.com ([email protected])
Sent: November 30, 2007 10:01:06 AM
To: William Shopik ([email protected])

hey Will,

Sorry for not getting back with you sooner, i have been going through a divorce and things have been crazy to say the least.

I will get pics of the triple hets out to you by monday. I have just got back paperwork on a different order going to the UK that took almost 6 months to get back so I will continue to harras the fish and wildlife about getting your paperwork back to us a little sooner and update you on it as soon as i hear from them.

Happy Holidays,
Mark
---- William Shopik <[email protected]> wrote:

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Hey Mark, so it's been about three months and I'm just wondering how that paperwork is going, have you heard anything back yet? So how about some pics I haven't seen them since August, I'm so excited. Thanks, hope to hear from you soon.

-Will
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Re: Triple Hets‏
From: Locolizards.com ([email protected])
Sent: September 6, 2007 9:53:53 AM
To: grfdagre gagr ([email protected])

Hey Will,

The snakes are doing great! Yes they are Kahl strain animals so they will be compatible with your snow. I have applied for paperwork and will let you know as soon as it is ready,and in the mean time ill get a couple new pics of the hets.

Thanks and talk soon,
Mark
---- grfdagre gagr <[email protected]> wrote:

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Hey Mark, Just wanted to check up on the Boas see how they are doing. Also I
was wondering if they are compatible with Kahl snakes? I have a line on a
Snow from Kahl's stock (in Canada) and want to know if I can breed it to my
Triple-Hets. Please get back to me soon as this unfortunately is a time
sensitive matter. Thanks for your help.

-Will
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From: "Locolizards.com" <[email protected]>
To: grfdagre gagr <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Triple Hets
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:53:06 -0400

hey Will,

I got the deposit and am sending out the paperwork today. I will take some
updated pics of the snakes in a week or two an send them over and keep in
touch with you as we wait for the paperwork to be prepared.

Thanks and let me know if there is anything you might need.

Thanks,
Mark
---- grfdagre gagr <[email protected]> wrote:

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Hey Mark, I can't remember if I sent you the confirmation the the money was
wired to your account or not but here it is again. It should be in your
account tomorrow or wednesday, talk to you later.

-Will
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From: "Locolizards.com" <[email protected]>
To: grfdagre gagr <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Triple Hets
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 12:19:51 -0400

My Address is:

Mark Miller
(edited for privacy)


My Banks address is :
(edited for privacy)

Let me know if there is anything else you need.
Thanks,
Mark

---- grfdagre gagr <[email protected]> wrote:

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Hey Mark my bank needs your address and the address of the Bank that I'm
wiring the money to, so if you could send me that info I'll wire the
money
to you.

Thanks
-Will
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At this point an Email was sent to Mark with my details so that CITES paperwork could be sent out

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From: "Locolizards.com" <[email protected]>
To: grfdagre gagr <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Triple Hets
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:31:54 -0400

Great Will,

Here is the wire info for my bank.

Send to
(edited for privacy)
routing #
Locolizards & Mark Miller
Account # (edited for privacy)

I will mark these triple hets sold for you. Just let me know when to
expect
the transfer and i will need your shyipping info so i can get the CITES
paperwrok started. Let me know what airport this will be shiped to as
well
and if you have any questions let me know.

Thanks,
Mark

---- grfdagre gagr <[email protected]> wrote:

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After careful consideration, I have decided on number one. So send me
your
bank info and I'll wire the deposit to you.

-Will
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Re: Triple Hets‏
From: Locolizards.com ([email protected])
Sent: July 28, 2007 2:20:13 PM
To: grfdagre gagr ([email protected])
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I finally got pics of the male triple hets for you. Let me know which one you want and we can get the deposit setup and get paperwork started so we can get them shipped before winter.

Talk to you soon,
Mark
---- grfdagre gagr <[email protected]> wrote:

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Hey Mark, just making sure that you haven't forgotten about me, up here in
Canada, I would like to see pics of the pair. Please E-me back to let me
know what is happening, thanks for your time.

-Will
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From: "Locolizards.com" <[email protected]>
To: grfdagre gagr <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Triple Hets
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 0:24:19 -0400

I would have to apply for CITES paperwork to do it legally. I would require
a deposit of 50% of the total due with shipping to get paperwork started.
Shipping is a flat rate of 400.00 the paperwork takes 60-90 days for me to
get from the US government, and then the balance is due once the paperwork
is ready. Then I ship the snakes once they are paid in full.
if you are interested just let me know and I would be very happy to help
you out in any way i can.

Cheers,
Mark.
---- grfdagre gagr <[email protected]> wrote:

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For a 1.1 Triple Het, how much would you require for a deposit and how long
would you hold them for me? Do you know how hard it is to get them across
the border ie. permits. Or can they just be flown over?

-Will
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Will that's unfortunate to hear... I hope you get the deal resolved. I wonder also if there is any legal action that can be taken...if you find out, PM me. I also have a similar situation with a breeder that I wouldn't mind knowing what options I can do.
KaHane Limsana

The delay in delivery is unacceptable in itself, particularly considering he gave a date of 90 days. Just to give Mark the benefit of the doubt, I have heard "horror stories" about the delay in obtaining CITES papers. In one instance an individual had to wait 6 months to receive his. Knowing this one shouldn't state to the buyer that they can be obtained in 90 days just to secure a deposit. Furthermore, "IF" there was going to be an initially unforeseeable delay he should have immediately notified the OP of such. By not doing so without the conformity of the OP, he is at fault for not delivering what he owes in a timely manner. Anyone can have problems of their own, but when they have time to post other ads they should also inform their customers of the situation. It is lack of communication that breaks trust and not delayed delivery. Let's hope that at least he gets back in touch with you to explain what's happening.

I would give him one last chance by notifying him by phone or e-mail of what you are going to do if you don't hear from him. I know, I know, you have given him plenty but one more won't hurt; hopefully all you want is to have this resolved before attempting extreme measures.

Tell him you are giving him "X" number of days to reply to you and if he doesn't, then you will file a complaint with the Internet Crime Complaint Center @ http://www.ic3.gov The best way to get his attention would probably be to reply to one of his ads in kingsnake.com. One other thing you may want to consider before sending the formal complaint is send copies of your e-mail notification to kingsnake.com report abuse link: http://market.kingsnake.com/abuse.php?cat=32&de=
If according to them your complaint is valid there's no doubt they will look into it and maybe even freeze his account with them. He has refused to contact you so regrettably he leaves you with no choice but to do this.

Regards and best of lucks.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109704
I made a full post over on the Canadian BOI for people to see as well.
Thanks for the tips about kingsnake Boidsmith.I am going to try that now.You have been a great help so far man.
Todd Peddle

Todd, on your other post, I believe you said that you may hear some news from a friend on Friday....any word?

Nope i had a long day at work and didnt get a chance to call.I will try today and Monday.

I just called the friend and there was no answer and I also called Mark Millier and left a message asking him to call me or answer my emails.
I will try the friend again on Monday.
Todd Peddle

Shoot, was hoping you'd hear something, at least.

Best of luck.

rockyballboa said:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109704
I made a full post over on the Canadian BOI for people to see as well.
Thanks for the tips about kingsnake Boidsmith.I am going to try that now.You have been a great help so far man.
Todd Peddle

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No problem Todd, I really do hope this works out. You have been really patient thus far and you have nearly existed all communication venues. It is up to Mark to decide what he wants to do with his future. It seems some people think it is worth ruining their reputation over $1,500. That kind of money he will see come and go hundreds of times over his lifetime. But once his reputation is tarnished it will take years to recover it (if he ever does). The best thing you can probably due at this point in time is what you are currently doing, create the awareness in other people of what has happened to you.

Take care!

Mark is scheduled to be at the MRBE Show in Kansas City, Missouri on Septmeber 28, 2008 http://www.kcherp.com/FallShow.htm if anyone is at the show, maybe they can stop by and have a little chat with him.

existed = exhausted

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Sorry about that.

Hey Dan, that some good advice I'll look into doing just that as well I know a lawyer and I told him about it and I'm waiting to see what he says about it.

-Will