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Can you sex my sulcatas? Pics..

Kozidragons

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The first picture is of a 6 year old sulcata (about 14inch and 17lbs) and the 2nd is a 3 year old sulcata. I was told the older tortoise is a proven female and the 2nd was unknown. I got them both for free so there was no reason to lie...just curious
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http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s177/kozidragons/sulcatas006.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s177/kozidragons/sulcatas004.jpg

#2
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s177/kozidragons/sulcatas001.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s177/kozidragons/sulcatas002.jpg

Thanks so much!
 
The first one is definately female.

The second one is questionable. In males, they tend to have a longer, thicker anal notch on the plastron that is narrower and deeper than that of the female. Mature males also have a more distal vent and a concave plastron. If I had to guess i'd say male.
 
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