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Old 01-29-2011, 04:08 PM   #441
Skiploder
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BS and you know it. From what I can gather, he spent an inordinate amount of time trying to get those snakes shipped out. It didn't happen for some reason. That isn't theft. You can put it in bold, huge letters all you want and it won't change the facts.
Jamie:

When I used to weekend race in NASA, I was (and still am) good friends with one of the guys who was one of the top engine tuners in our class.

His youngest son was diagnosed with autism and his wife left him. He lost his job and fell on hard times.

His mistake was that his mouth had sold more than his ass could deliver. He had taken money from several clients on high end track mods and used that money to pay off his debts, assuming that things would bounce back. It was stupid move and, at the time, I told him it was.

They didn't and he ended up owing tens of thousands of dollars to clients to whom he couldn't deliver. He got crucified on the NASA and SCCA boards and at the time, he was one of my closest friends. While I understood the hardships he was enduring in his personal life, that didn't excuse the stupid decisions he made to continue to pay off his debts with customer money.

He robbed those people and even though he is my friend, I will be damned if I'm going to spend my time defending a person who took thousands of dollars from people and has, in this case, six years, ignored the problem.

As I said, he remains my friend, he's one of the nicest guys you will ever meet, but he's a shitty businessman - therefore I'm not going to spend my time or stick my nose out there defending the decisions HE made that got him in this mess. I have friends who went from forum to forum and event to event defending his actions, and I told them point blank they were not only carrying a load he was refusing to shoulder, but that his problems were becoming their problems.

Whatever issues Adam has had, there is no excuse for taking someone's money and giving them nothing in return. That money needs to be returned to Andrew and David.

You and I do not know each other, but I'm going to offer you a bit of friendly advice. If you want to ignore it, so be it:

If Adam is going through hard times and he is your friend or a close acquaintance and you want to provide support and friendship - that's cool....... but put up a fire wall between your personal relationship and whatever is going on with what happened in his business world. It is not worth having your name associated with his business issues.
 
Old 01-29-2011, 04:39 PM   #442
ozz465
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WOW !!! what a blatant threat .. and no long term suspension or ban from the site for it ?

that is considered a terroristic threat and according to any court ,you can be arrested and serve time for it .. hopefully regardless of what brought it on , its delt with by some form of punishment from this site ..

doesn't say alot for this site if its left undelt with ..
and would definitely not look good to new people finding this site for the first time ..
I have to agree , such threats are not appropriate.
 
Old 01-29-2011, 06:17 PM   #443
jglass38
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Jamie:

When I used to weekend race in NASA, I was (and still am) good friends with one of the guys who was one of the top engine tuners in our class.

His youngest son was diagnosed with autism and his wife left him. He lost his job and fell on hard times.

His mistake was that his mouth had sold more than his ass could deliver. He had taken money from several clients on high end track mods and used that money to pay off his debts, assuming that things would bounce back. It was stupid move and, at the time, I told him it was.

They didn't and he ended up owing tens of thousands of dollars to clients to whom he couldn't deliver. He got crucified on the NASA and SCCA boards and at the time, he was one of my closest friends. While I understood the hardships he was enduring in his personal life, that didn't excuse the stupid decisions he made to continue to pay off his debts with customer money.

He robbed those people and even though he is my friend, I will be damned if I'm going to spend my time defending a person who took thousands of dollars from people and has, in this case, six years, ignored the problem.

As I said, he remains my friend, he's one of the nicest guys you will ever meet, but he's a shitty businessman - therefore I'm not going to spend my time or stick my nose out there defending the decisions HE made that got him in this mess. I have friends who went from forum to forum and event to event defending his actions, and I told them point blank they were not only carrying a load he was refusing to shoulder, but that his problems were becoming their problems.

Whatever issues Adam has had, there is no excuse for taking someone's money and giving them nothing in return. That money needs to be returned to Andrew and David.

You and I do not know each other, but I'm going to offer you a bit of friendly advice. If you want to ignore it, so be it:

If Adam is going through hard times and he is your friend or a close acquaintance and you want to provide support and friendship - that's cool....... but put up a fire wall between your personal relationship and whatever is going on with what happened in his business world. It is not worth having your name associated with his business issues.
I hear you. I have been saying since early in the thread that if the money is owed and if Adam isn't paying then the people involved should take the appropriate action. That's all. I am just not going to stand by and let people take liberties with their words when it comes to a close friend.
 
Old 01-29-2011, 06:28 PM   #444
deborahbroadus
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I hear you. I have been saying since early in the thread that if the money is owed and if Adam isn't paying then the people involved should take the appropriate action. That's all. I am just not going to stand by and let people take liberties with their words when it comes to a close friend.
"Liberties" with their word? The only one taking LIBERTIES here is you creating FAKE scenarios on what "possibly" happened. The OP stated his case and provided facts, there's not much else that can be assumed from the FACTS other than Adam is a THIEF.

The simple truth is there is a world of difference between a credit debt and the debt in which ADAM was supposed to PAY for some goods that he didn't pay for. He also LIED about when he would pay and how much he had sent. To me, that's more comparable to SHOPLIFTING than a business loan.

Go back to your forum, Jamie...you aren't doing anything here but making YOURSELF look bad, and making us wonder why it is so important to YOU to rush to defend the indefensible...Oh, friendship..yeah, that's right.

A true friend, would tell his friend to get this taken care of.
 
Old 01-29-2011, 06:31 PM   #445
jglass38
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"Liberties" with their word? The only one taking LIBERTIES here is you creating FAKE scenarios on what "possibly" happened. The OP stated his case and provided facts, there's not much else that can be assumed from the FACTS other than Adam is a THIEF.

The simple truth is there is a world of difference between a credit debt and the debt in which ADAM was supposed to PAY for some goods that he didn't pay for. He also LIED about when he would pay and how much he had sent. To me, that's more comparable to SHOPLIFTING than a business loan.

Go back to your forum, Jamie...you aren't doing anything here but making YOURSELF look bad, and making us wonder why it is so important to YOU to rush to defend the indefensible...Oh, friendship..yeah, that's right.

A true friend, would tell his friend to get this taken care of.
I'm sorry, is this YOUR forum? Quit your high and might BS Def, you aren't liked here or respected in this industry. I may not be breeding animals anymore but I still talk to people who are. You will NEVER be a respected breeder, no matter how hard you try. But you keep on keepin on, mmmkay?
 
Old 01-29-2011, 06:32 PM   #446
jglass38
Oops. I meant Deb, not Def. My bad...
 
Old 01-29-2011, 06:32 PM   #447
deborahbroadus
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"Liberties" with their word? The only one taking LIBERTIES here is you creating FAKE scenarios on what "possibly" happened. The OP stated his case and provided facts, there's not much else that can be assumed from the FACTS other than Adam is a THIEF.

The simple truth is there is a world of difference between a credit debt and the debt in which ADAM was supposed to PAY for some goods that he didn't pay for. He also LIED about when he would pay and how much he had sent. To me, that's more comparable to SHOPLIFTING than a business loan.

Go back to your forum, Jamie...you aren't doing anything here but making YOURSELF look bad, and making us wonder why it is so important to YOU to rush to defend the indefensible...Oh, friendship..yeah, that's right.

A true friend, would tell his friend to get this taken care of.
I hope the OP looks into the IRS avenue to see if there's any actions he can take from that direction: http://www.irs.gov/localcontacts/art...101292,00.html
 
Old 01-29-2011, 06:35 PM   #448
deborahbroadus
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I'm sorry, is this YOUR forum? Quit your high and might BS Def, you aren't liked here or respected in this industry. I may not be breeding animals anymore but I still talk to people who are. You will NEVER be a respected breeder, no matter how hard you try. But you keep on keepin on, mmmkay?
And you are?

BACK on topic..I hope the OP and all people that Adam owe money will look into the IRS options.
 
Old 01-29-2011, 06:37 PM   #449
jglass38
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And you are?

BACK on topic..I hope the OP and all people that Adam owe money will look into the IRS options.
I wasn't talking about me. I was talking about you. Don't quit your day job.
 
Old 01-29-2011, 06:38 PM   #450
FosterHerpetological
Just get a lawyer...GEEZUS!
 

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