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Field Collecting/Observing Sightings of herps in the wild, where-tos and how-tos, as well as photos of herps in their native environment.

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Old 03-18-2012, 01:18 PM   #1
ShinBone_RidgeMan
Question Help with Identification

One of my neighbors found this baby and brought it to me to see what it was...but ive never seen a baby like this before...Im thinking it is a Racer ? or maby a brown banded water?

Any help identifying would be appreciated.



 
Old 03-18-2012, 10:15 PM   #2
RossCA
I can tell you this much, its a water snake, not a racer.
 
Old 03-19-2012, 12:59 PM   #3
Tim Cole
According to the book "Amphibians and Reptiles of Georgia" this looks like a naturally occurring hybrid between the Banded Water Snake (Nerodia fasciata) and the Northern Water Snake (Nerodia sipedon).
 
Old 03-20-2012, 02:16 PM   #4
dumje
I believe it is a northern water...the northern's start with a banding pattern and end up with blotches....
 
Old 03-20-2012, 02:16 PM   #5
dumje
I have caught many northerns...never seen a baby though
 
Old 03-20-2012, 02:40 PM   #6
salottimc
I surprised no one has said a brown watersnake neonate. They are in Georgia.
 
Old 03-20-2012, 02:42 PM   #7
salottimc
Nerodia taxispilota
 
Old 03-20-2012, 03:41 PM   #8
dumje
I dont believe it to be a brown because the brown is blotched from head to tail...that baby is clearly banded in the front 3rd of the body
 
Old 03-20-2012, 05:09 PM   #9
snowgyre
I don't think it's a brown water snake either. Browns have more bulbous eyes and a more 'bulldog' look (combination of large, more dorsally located eyes and a proportionately shorter snout) than northerns or bandeds. My vote is for banded or an integrade northern x banded. It'll be easier to ID as it gets older. Neonate colubrids can be tough.
 
Old 03-20-2012, 06:00 PM   #10
salottimc
You are correct. The bands are that of a northern watersnake, but the colors seem off. I agree with the consensus. Probably is a hybrid. Interesting find!
 

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