Bad Guy Josh of OUTBACK REPTILES

endrin · Jun 16, 2012

Story goes as this, i was looking for a female thayeri for my male and seen an ad on kingsnake and again on here. I contacted Josh asked the normal health questions and if she was brumated ect... Everything sounded good so i made the deal for 150$ shipped. The snake arrived a day later and had a scar on her nose and was a bit skinny, other than that she is perfectly healthy. I feed her up while waiting for her next shed cycle for breeding ( about 5 weeks or so.) She put on weight and looked primed for my male. After trying for 2 weeks or so i thought it might be my male ( he is a lil picky) so i gave her to my friend who has been breeding for 25 years thinking he might have some evil trickes to get her to breed. He had her for roughly 2 weeks, then i get a cell picturemail of my "females" junk hanging out loud and proud....... Needless to say it sucks and im dissapointed and have NO need or room for ANY more males in my collection. So i called Josh 3 times and left messages with no response, then i emailed him and we spoke via gmail text. I sent him a picture of the male he sold me and he said "let me see what we can do" that was 14 days ago. I have made many attempts to contact and find out whats what just to be ignored. I am looking for a full refund and its only right and fair that i get one.

Paul Adamo.

JColt · Jun 16, 2012

Can you post the gmail conversation?

DaveyFig · Jun 16, 2012

That is a shame. I have been looking at several of Outback's animals to buy myself. Good luck!

leaveittoweaver · Jun 16, 2012

Please post all emails.

Why didn't you sex the snake on arrival?

DaveyFig · Jun 16, 2012

Why did it take 2 weeks for someone with 25 years experience to notice it's "junk"?
Did he put it straight into his collection?

leaveittoweaver · Jun 16, 2012

DaveyFig said:
Why did it take 2 weeks for someone with 25 years experience to notice it's "junk"?
Did he put it straight into his collection?

I'm curious to this as well.

If you breed snakes, why do you not know how to sex them? Seems to me, that's something you should know.

I'm also kind of confused by the timeline you've presented. Could you also post pictures of said snake in question and it's "Junk"?

endrin · Jun 16, 2012

Junk as in hemipenis, yes i know how to sex but being i have never had an animale sent to me that was sexed wrong i figured i was getting what i paid for. It took 2 weeks because i have no idea why im not there 24/7 nor is he, tho he was lucky enough to have caught it.

Here is the pic
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here are the gmails

Amanda Paul

Jun 4 (13 days ago)

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Hi, i have been trying to contact you by phone all last week and left messages about a thayeri "female" you sold me thats in reality a male. I have no room or need of a male anything, If you have a female i would exchange the male for thats great if not a refund is in order. Plz get back to me asap.

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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:13:25 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: thayeri

Hi, i have been trying to contact you by phone all last week and left messages about a thayeri "female" you sold me thats in reality a male. I have no room or need of a male anything, If you have a female i would exchange the male for thats great if not a refund is in order. Plz get back to me asap.

Paul adamo.

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In Brooklyn NY 11217. I have pics of him with his lil man out on my cell if you would like to see.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

What state are you in?
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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:13:25 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: thayeri

Hi, i have been trying to contact you by phone all last week and left messages about a thayeri "female" you sold me thats in reality a male. I have no room or need of a male anything, If you have a female i would exchange the male for thats great if not a refund is in order. Plz get back to me asap.

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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:48:56 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

In Brooklyn NY 11217. I have pics of him with his lil man out on my cell if you would like to see.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

What state are you in?
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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:13:25 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: thayeri

Hi, i have been trying to contact you by phone all last week and left messages about a thayeri "female" you sold me thats in reality a male. I have no room or need of a male anything, If you have a female i would exchange the male for thats great if not a refund is in order. Plz get back to me asap.

Paul adamo.

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I will be away from th 5th to the 14 of july.

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I will be away from th 5th to the 14 of july.

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I will be away from th 5th to the 14 of july.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Will you be at the next white plains show?

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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:48:56 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

In Brooklyn NY 11217. I have pics of him with his lil man out on my cell if you would like to see.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

What state are you in?
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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:13:25 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: thayeri

Hi, i have been trying to contact you by phone all last week and left messages about a thayeri "female" you sold me thats in reality a male. I have no room or need of a male anything, If you have a female i would exchange the male for thats great if not a refund is in order. Plz get back to me asap.

Paul adamo.

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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:54:37 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

I will be away from th 5th to the 14 of july.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Will you be at the next white plains show?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:48:56 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

In Brooklyn NY 11217. I have pics of him with his lil man out on my cell if you would like to see.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

What state are you in?
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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:13:25 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: thayeri

Hi, i have been trying to contact you by phone all last week and left messages about a thayeri "female" you sold me thats in reality a male. I have no room or need of a male anything, If you have a female i would exchange the male for thats great if not a refund is in order. Plz get back to me asap.

Paul adamo.

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he was in with one of my males and his hemi penis came out.

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he was in with one of my males and his hemi penis came out.

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he was in with one of my males and his hemi penis came out.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

How did you sex the animal?

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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:54:37 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

I will be away from th 5th to the 14 of july.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Will you be at the next white plains show?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:48:56 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

In Brooklyn NY 11217. I have pics of him with his lil man out on my cell if you would like to see.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

What state are you in?
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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:13:25 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: thayeri

Hi, i have been trying to contact you by phone all last week and left messages about a thayeri "female" you sold me thats in reality a male. I have no room or need of a male anything, If you have a female i would exchange the male for thats great if not a refund is in order. Plz get back to me asap.

Paul adamo.

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Can you email me the pics?

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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:57:17 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

he was in with one of my males and his hemi penis came out.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

How did you sex the animal?

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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:54:37 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

I will be away from th 5th to the 14 of july.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Will you be at the next white plains show?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:48:56 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

In Brooklyn NY 11217. I have pics of him with his lil man out on my cell if you would like to see.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

What state are you in?
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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:13:25 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: thayeri

Hi, i have been trying to contact you by phone all last week and left messages about a thayeri "female" you sold me thats in reality a male. I have no room or need of a male anything, If you have a female i would exchange the male for thats great if not a refund is in order. Plz get back to me asap.

Paul adamo.

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On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Can you email me the pics?

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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:57:17 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

he was in with one of my males and his hemi penis came out.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

How did you sex the animal?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:54:37 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

I will be away from th 5th to the 14 of july.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Will you be at the next white plains show?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:48:56 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

In Brooklyn NY 11217. I have pics of him with his lil man out on my cell if you would like to see.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

What state are you in?
Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:13:25 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: thayeri

Hi, i have been trying to contact you by phone all last week and left messages about a thayeri "female" you sold me thats in reality a male. I have no room or need of a male anything, If you have a female i would exchange the male for thats great if not a refund is in order. Plz get back to me asap.

Paul adamo.

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Get the pic?

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Get the pic?

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Amanda Paul <[email protected]> wrote:

sent

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Can you email me the pics?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:57:17 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

he was in with one of my males and his hemi penis came out.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

How did you sex the animal?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:54:37 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

I will be away from th 5th to the 14 of july.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Will you be at the next white plains show?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:48:56 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

In Brooklyn NY 11217. I have pics of him with his lil man out on my cell if you would like to see.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

What state are you in?
Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:13:25 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: thayeri

Hi, i have been trying to contact you by phone all last week and left messages about a thayeri "female" you sold me thats in reality a male. I have no room or need of a male anything, If you have a female i would exchange the male for thats great if not a refund is in order. Plz get back to me asap.

Paul adamo.

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Got it. Let me see what we can do. Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:14:09 -0400

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Got it. Let me see what we can do. Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:14:09 -0400

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Got it.
Let me see what we can do.

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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:14:09 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

Get the pic?

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Amanda Paul <[email protected]> wrote:

sent

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Can you email me the pics?

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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:57:17 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

he was in with one of my males and his hemi penis came out.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

How did you sex the animal?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:54:37 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

I will be away from th 5th to the 14 of july.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Will you be at the next white plains show?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:48:56 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

In Brooklyn NY 11217. I have pics of him with his lil man out on my cell if you would like to see.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

What state are you in?
Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:13:25 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: thayeri

Hi, i have been trying to contact you by phone all last week and left messages about a thayeri "female" you sold me thats in reality a male. I have no room or need of a male anything, If you have a female i would exchange the male for thats great if not a refund is in order. Plz get back to me asap.

Paul adamo.

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Ok

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:14 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Got it.
Let me see what we can do.

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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:14:09 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

Get the pic?

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Amanda Paul <[email protected]> wrote:

sent

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Can you email me the pics?

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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:57:17 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

he was in with one of my males and his hemi penis came out.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

How did you sex the animal?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:54:37 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

I will be away from th 5th to the 14 of july.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Will you be at the next white plains show?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:48:56 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

In Brooklyn NY 11217. I have pics of him with his lil man out on my cell if you would like to see.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

What state are you in?
Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:13:25 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: thayeri

Hi, i have been trying to contact you by phone all last week and left messages about a thayeri "female" you sold me thats in reality a male. I have no room or need of a male anything, If you have a female i would exchange the male for thats great if not a refund is in order. Plz get back to me asap.

Paul adamo.

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Hey man, 7 days since we last spoke. what up?

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Amanda Paul <[email protected]> wrote:

Ok

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:14 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Got it.
Let me see what we can do.

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From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:14:09 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

Get the pic?

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Amanda Paul <[email protected]> wrote:

sent

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Can you email me the pics?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:57:17 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

he was in with one of my males and his hemi penis came out.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

How did you sex the animal?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:54:37 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

I will be away from th 5th to the 14 of july.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Will you be at the next white plains show?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:48:56 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: thayeri

In Brooklyn NY 11217. I have pics of him with his lil man out on my cell if you would like to see.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

What state are you in?
Thanks Outbackreptiles [email][email protected][/email]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>

Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:13:25 -0400

To: <[email protected]>

Subject: thayeri

Hi, i have been trying to contact you by phone all last week and left messages about a thayeri "female" you sold me thats in reality a male. I have no room or need of a male anything, If you have a female i would exchange the male for thats great if not a refund is in order. Plz get back to me asap.

Paul adamo.

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dont know why the pic is not loading

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endrin · Jun 16, 2012

Its the last pic, cant miss it

endrin · Jun 17, 2012

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Ryan Beatty · Jun 17, 2012

I also had a bad experience with Josh. I was interested in a pair of rosy boas and told him I would take them if they were eating frozen/thawed. He told me he only feeds live. I asked him to offer them a f/t and if they accepted it I'd take them. He basically said it was too much trouble. Weeks later the same animals were still for sale.

I only feed my snakes f/t unless they refuse then I resort to live. Most of my customers prefer f/t feeders to live any day. Thought this was pretty much the industry standard, except with balls of course.

Just my experience with Josh.

Megpie · Jun 17, 2012

I've never posted on here before so I sure hope I do it right... lol My boyfriend and I bought a pair of snow bulls from Outback Reptiles and we couldn't be happier with them! Just my own personal experience.

JColt · Jun 17, 2012

Has Josh been notified of this post?

endrin · Jun 17, 2012

I am in no way saying that all outback reptiles does is screw people, this is my experiance with them and mine only. Its sad i have to come on here and do this because its so damn simple to fix, all i want is a full refund and for men to be men and do the right thing...

Lucille · Jun 17, 2012

endrin said:
I am in no way saying that all outback reptiles does is screw people, this is my experiance with them and mine only. Its sad i have to come on here and do this because its so damn simple to fix, all i want is a full refund and for men to be men and do the right thing...

Maybe I'm not reading the emails right but they said they were going to see what they could do. They did drop the ball on getting back to you if there are no further responses. Why not look up their phone number, see what they want to do, and make arrangements to ship the snake you have back to them?

endrin · Jun 17, 2012

I have the number, but much like the many first attempts i tried to make i got nothing back.. I even spoke to someone who works for them on another fourm site and he assured me he would deliver the message and still nothing. Its like little kid crap....

ColinWeaver · Jun 17, 2012

Ryan Beatty said:
I also had a bad experience with Josh. I was interested in a pair of rosy boas and told him I would take them if they were eating frozen/thawed. He told me he only feeds live. I asked him to offer them a f/t and if they accepted it I'd take them. He basically said it was too much trouble. Weeks later the same animals were still for sale.

I only feed my snakes f/t unless they refuse then I resort to live. Most of my customers prefer f/t feeders to live any day. Thought this was pretty much the industry standard, except with balls of course.

Just my experience with Josh.

I also only feed live food. If you were to contact me about a snake I would tell you the same thing Josh did; I'm not going to kill a rodent, freeze it, thaw it and then offer it to a snake as part of a sale. It is exactly what Josh suggested it would be: too much effort. Next thing we know you'll be asking if it eats on paper, aspen or mulch. Should Josh try feeding it on the substrate you prefer, too? How about enclosure size? Should he try to feed it in different size tubs, too? That's a slippery slope, don't you think?

Sounds to me like Josh was honest with you. He didn't snowball you and tell you what you wanted to hear in order to make the sale. And you call that honesty a "bad experience"...

Lucille · Jun 17, 2012

[email protected]
703-365-2262 Office _____\
703-789-1697 Cell / These are from his current ads

Did you try both numbers?

FireStorm · Jun 17, 2012

I cut out some of the stuff in between the emails and the ones that repeat. I think I got the headers right, but I couldn't find the header for the last one. Hopefully that will make it easier to follow. I think I got the pic to work too.

endrin said:
Junk as in hemipenis, yes i know how to sex but being i have never had an animale sent to me that was sexed wrong i figured i was getting what i paid for. It took 2 weeks because i have no idea why im not there 24/7 nor is he, tho he was lucky enough to have caught it.

Here is the pic

here are the gmails

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:13:25 -0400
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: thayeri

Hi, i have been trying to contact you by phone all last week and left messages about a thayeri "female" you sold me thats in reality a male. I have no room or need of a male anything, If you have a female i would exchange the male for thats great if not a refund is in order. Plz get back to me asap.

Paul adamo.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

What state are you in?
Thanks Outbackreptiles [email protected]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:48:56 -0400
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: thayeri

In Brooklyn NY 11217. I have pics of him with his lil man out on my cell if you would like to see.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
Will you be at the next white plains show?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email protected]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:54:37 -0400
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: thayeri

I will be away from th 5th to the 14 of july.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
How did you sex the animal?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email protected]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:57:17 -0400
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: thayeri

he was in with one of my males and his hemi penis came out.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Can you email me the pics?

Thanks Outbackreptiles [email protected]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

From: Amanda Paul <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:14:09 -0400
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: thayeri

Get the pic?

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:14 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
Got it.
Let me see what we can do.
Thanks Outbackreptiles [email protected]703-789-1697 cell 703-365-2262 office

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Amanda Paul <[email protected]> wrote:

Ok

Amanda Paul
Jun 11 (5 days ago)
to josh

Hey man, 7 days since we last spoke. what up?

As for my experiences with Josh, I have dealt with him before he started to work for Outback, and again recently with Outback. I've always been very happy, so I'm hoping this gets resolved. I don't know what to say about the lack of communication, but I would recommend sexing any animal as soon as you receive it. Pretty much any breeder can make a sexing mistake, and you're just lucky if you've never had it happen before. Getting the mistake fixed seems to be easier the sooner it's caught, too, at least from what I've seen.

As for the poster who was unhappy that Josh wouldn't test feed F/T, I agree with Colin. I wouldn't do that either. I don't have F/T on hand, so it would actually be quite a bit of trouble. I honestly don't think that counts as a bad experience. I'm also not really sure that F/T is the "industry standard"...I know plenty of breeders/dealers that feed only live. F/T is alot of work if you have a large collection, and I found that I had more wasted feeders....

Hopefully it's ok that I copied and pasted the emails like that...I was just trying to make them easier to read.

Shelly Wetterstroem

FireStorm · Jun 17, 2012

I also sent Josh a message notifiying him of the thread since it wasn't clear if that had been done.

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