Buyer Beware - Lisa Apramian

I had posted a link to a negative BOI thread regarding Lisa Arpramian, in an ad she posted today. She deleted the ad, then re-posted, and closed it to comments.

Nice try, Lisa, but people need to know who they're dealing with. Especially to the tune of $2k.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=603611

good looking out!

KATHLEEN ROBBINS, YOU ARE THE BAD GUY. NO ONE WAS RIPPED OFF! NEITHER YOU NOR ROB NEVER HAD ONE NICKEL RIPPED OFF FROM ME. AND SINCE I CANCELLED YOUR PURCHASE, YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE A RIGHT TO BE INSTIGATING THIS. YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE ANY RIGHT TO BE COMPLAINING AS YOU ARE A THIRD PARTY. I RIPPED YOUR CHECK UP AND CHOSE NOT TO SELL THE SNAKE TO YOU.! I DID NOT SELL THE SNAKE TO ROB EITHER, IN THE END, BECAUSE WE WERE WAITING TO CORRECT THE SHED ISSUE. I TOLD ROB THE REASON HIS SNAKE SHIPMENT WAS DELAYED WAS DUE TO A RETAINED EYE CAP AND ASKED HIM TO BE PATIENT. I THUGHT NOTHING MORE OF IT AS I WAS PAYING FOR THE SNAKES FOOD, WATER AND UPKEEP WHILE AWAITING FOR THE ISSUE TO BE RESOLVED. IT TOOK LONGER THAN I THOUGHT, MEANWHILE, YOU TWO TURNED INTO A WITCH HUNT. I AM NOW GOING TO ASK FAUNA TO INVESTIGATE YOUR INSISTENCE ON MALIGNING ME WITH NO FURTHER MERIT. YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW ME AND 6-8 MONTHS LATER, THOUGH THIS DOES NOT EVEN CONCERN YOU, YOU ARE NO LONGER A BUYER AND HAVE ALREADY SAID PLENTY, YOU ARE CONTINUING TO CYBER BULLY ME; DETERMINED TO BE AN AGITATOR. TRYING TO INSTIGATE HYSTERIA. YOU ARE TROLLING AND STIRRING UP EMPTY EMPTY HYSTERIA. I AM A HOBBYIST, NOT A BREEDER. I MISJUDGED ROB AND SHOULD NEVER HAVE ATTEMPTED TO WORK OUT THE SHED ISSUE AND IN RETROSPECT SHOULD HAVE REFUNDED HIS MONEY SOONER. ROB WAS NOT MY NORMAL BUYER ANYWAY. I USUALLY SELL TO PEOPLE WHO BUY AS PETS, NOT AS BREEDERS. ROB WAS NOT SUCH A NICE GUY AND ROB AND I JUST DEAL WITH ISSUES DIFFERENTLY. ROB WAS A HURRY UP AND I WAS A LETS WAIT. I THOUGHT HE WOULD BE PATIENT. BUT NO ONE, NO ONE NO ONE WAS RIPPED OFF. SO STOP LYING TYO THE PUBLIC. YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A CYBER BULLY WHO TAKES GREAT PRIDE IN HARMING SOMEONE YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW. I WILL BE ASKING FAUNA CLASSIFIED TO INVESTIGATE WHAT YOU ARE NOW DOING AND ASK THEM IF THIS IS ACCEPTABLE. THE CASE IS CLOSED. MOVE ON. YOU ARE NOT SAVING ANYONE ANYTHING! I MAY EVEN ASK MY LAWYER TO INTERVENE.

I HAVE HAD SUCH LOVELY EXPERIENCES WITH KIND PEOPLE. I HAVE BEEN PATIENT WITH THEM, WHEN THEIR MONEY IS TIGHT. I HAVE SLOWLY SOLD MOST OF MY BELOVED COLLECTION DUE TO MY OWN INJURIES. YOU TWO ARE THE ONLY ONES AND YOU ARE STILL HOLDING ON TO THIS??? MALIGNING ME FOR A DELAY IN SHIPPING. I HAVE SOLD 2 BEAUTIFUL ADULT INDIGOS FOR $3000 CASH, HALF UPFRONT AND HALF 2 MONTHS LATER, I HAVE ALSO SOLD AND MADE THOUSANDS FROM THE SALES OF: A BEAUTIFUL ADULT FEMALE BLOOD BOA , 3 ADULT FEMALE LEOPARDS FROM GERMANY, AN ADULT MOTLEY HET LEOPARD, AN ADULT FEMALE SUNGLOW AND AN ADULT MALE PEARL ISLAND...ALL WITH ZERO PROBLEMS!!!!!!! THE DIFFERENCE WAS IN THIS ONE INSTANCE, THE BABY BRB SNAKE HAD A RETAINED EYECAP AND I DID NOT WANT TO MAIL IT TO ROB UNTIL IT RESOLVED ...AND I UNDERESTIMATED ROB'S CHARACTER AND PATIENCE. A COLLEAGUE OF MINE EVEN TRIED TO TELL YOU BOTH MY STANDARDS ARE HIGH; AS HE VISITS MY SNAKE ROOM OFTEN AND YOU ATTACKED HIM TOO!! SHAME ON YOU! FOR CREATING 8000 VISITS FOR THIS ONE INCIDENT (A RETAINED EYECAP) AND THEREFORE DELAYED SHIPMENT. I ENDED UP REFUNDING ROB BECAUSE HE DID NOT HAVE THE PATIENCE TO LET THE ISSUES RESOLVE ...EVEN THOUGH WHILE THE ISSUES WAS RESOLVING, IT WAS AT MY EXPENSE . I HAVE ALSO GIVEN AWAY 21 FREE SNAKES THAT WERE WORTH A FORTUNE... BECAUSE OF MY INJURIES, ALREADY GRIEF-STRICKEN, I HAD TO ACCEPT MY LIMITATIONS. I HAVE LOST THOUSANDS ON MY INVESTMENTS. SO WHAT? AND I HAVE MADE BACK SOME THOUSANDS ON SOME OF MY INVESTMENT. SO WHAT. I STILL CARE ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE ANIMAL MOST OF ALL. AND ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS THIS. EVEN AFTER THE SALE OR GIFT, I CONTACT THEM AND MAKE SURE THE SNAKES ARE OK, MONTHS LATER.

I SUGGEST YOU START PRACTICING MINDFULNESS, STOP LIVING IN VENGEANCE, LET GO, FORGIVE YOURSELF, ME AND ANYONE ELSE YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE ENTITLED TO BULLY, AND INVESTIGATE YOUR APPARENT ENJOYMENT IN ATTEMPTING TO DESTROY MY REPUTATION. YOU KNOW, HOLDING ON TO THINGS CAUSES CANCER. IT IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU OR ME. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO ALL DAY BUT STALK FAUNA WAITING TO POUNCE...THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A PREDATOR. YES I STOPPED YOU FROM DEFACATING ON MY NEW THREAD. I EMAILED FAUNA ABOUT KATHLEEN AND THEY TAUGHT ME HOW TO DISABLE THREADS SO SHE COULDN'T...

AND BY THE WAY, THAT BEAUTIFUL BRB DID RESOLVE HIS EYE CAP, THOUGH IT DID TAKE AWHILE. ROB DECLARED HIS INTENTION WITH THAT BABY: HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO BREED IT. WELL BRB IS STILL NOT OLD ENOUGH TO BREED, SO WHAT DID ROB CARE, IF I TOOK CARE OF HIM AT MY EXPENSE WHILE THE ISSUE RESOLVED. AND REMEMBER, I DO NOT MAKE A LIVING OFF OF SNAKES AND HAD OTHER THINGS TO ATTEND TO, SO I WENT ABOUT MY LIFE ASSUMING ALL WAS WELL AND TELLING ROB TO KEEP COOL AND CALM. BUT HE WOULDN'T, HE COULDN'T. HE INTERPRETED THE WAITING GAME INTO A PRESUMED MALICIOUS ACT. MEANWHILE, DO YOU REMEMBER, I HAD A DEATH IN THE FAMILY??? DID YOU TELL ANYONE I HAD TO GO TO GREECE?? NOT ONE WORD OF CONDOLENCES TO ME DID EITHER OF YOU SPEAK. WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE YOU?

SO TO ALL THE WORLD, LET IT BE KNOWN, I DID NOT SELL THE SNAKE TO KATHY. SHE MAILED A CHECK AND I DID NOT CASH IT. SHE DECIDED TO STOP PAYMENT ON THE CHECK ANYWAY AND COST HERSELF A FEW BUCKS. THE BRB ULTIMATELY HAD A SHED/EYE CAP ISSUE THAT CAUSED A DELAYED SHIPPING. ROB, DECIDED, HE DID NOT WANT TO WAIT, AND INVENTED, IN THE ABSENCE OF THE SNAKE, ,MALICIOUS INTENTIONS WHEN THERE WERE NONE. IN THE END, I REFUNDED HIM AND DECIDED I DIDNT LIKE HOW HE HANDLED ME OR THE SNAKE AND I MOVED ON. I HAD NO IDEA THE WITCH HUNT WAS EVEN GOING ONWARD ON FAUNA UNTIL ONE OF MY DEAR FRIENDS TOLD ME.

MOVING TO THE PRESENT, BRB IS KNOCK-OUT GORGEOUS. HAD ROB WAITED, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE. YES, IT TOOK LONGER THAN EXPECTED. BUT IRREGARDLESS, I WILL BE SELLING BRB TO A KIND NEW OWNER WITH EASE AND GRACE TO A HAPPIER KINDER GENTLER BUYER. I AM STILL PRETTY NEW TO FAUNA RULES AS THIS IS THE FIRST UNPLEASANT EXPERIENCE I HAVE EVER HAD WITH A SNAKE/SALE.

I HAVE LEARNED FROM THIS AND FEEL BAD ABOUT IT BUT ALSO TRAUMATIZED AND HAVE GROWN TO LOATH THE WHOLE SNAKE ONLINE WORLD OF EXPLOITATION. THIS WAS ONCE MY BELOVED PASSION AND MY HEART WAS INNOCENT. NOW I JUST WANT TO CRINGE AT HOW PEOPLE TREAT EACH OTHER AND HOW THEY TREAT SNAKES. ULTIMATELY GREAT SPIRIT TAKE THIS BURDEN AND FREE MY SOUL.

KATHLEEN ROBBINS, YOU ARE THE BAD GUY. NO ONE WAS RIPPED OFF! NEITHER YOU NOR ROB NEVER HAD ONE NICKEL RIPPED OF FROM ME. AND SINCE I CANCELLED YOUR PURCHASE, YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE A RIGHT TO BE INSTIGATING THIS. YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE ANY RIGHT TO BE COMPLAINING AS YOU ARE A THIRD PARTY. I RIPPED YOUR CHECK UP AND CHOSE NOT TO SELL THE SNAKE TO YOU.! I DID NOT SELL THE SNAKE TO ROB EITHER, IN THE END, BECAUSE WE WERE WAITING TO CORRECT THE SHED ISSUE. I TOLD ROB THE REASON HIS SNAKE SHIPMENT WAS DELAYED WAS DUE TO A RETAINED EYE CAP AND ASKED HIM TO BE PATIENT. I THUGHT NOTHING MORE OF IT AS I WAS PAYING FOR THE SNAKES FOOD, WATER AND UPKEEP WHILE AWAITING FOR THE ISSUE TO BE RESOLVED. IT TOOK LONGER THAN I THOUGHT, MEANWHILE, YOU TWO TURNED INTO A WITCH HUNT. I AM NOW GOING TO ASK FAUNA TO INVESTIGATE YOUR INSISTENCE ON MALIGNING ME WITH NO FURTHER MERIT. YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW ME AND 6-8 MONTHS LATER, THOUGH THIS DOES NOT EVEN CONCERN YOU, YOU ARE NO LONGER A BUYER AND HAVE ALREADY SAID PLENTY, YOU ARE CONTINUING TO CYBER BULLY ME; DETERMINED TO BE AN AGITATOR. TRYING TO INSTIGATE HYSTERIA. YOU ARE TROLLING AND STIRRING UP EMPTY EMPTY HYSTERIA. I AM A HOBBYIST, NOT A BREEDER. I MISJUDGED ROB AND SHOULD NEVER HAVE ATTEMPTED TO WORK OUT THE SHED ISSUE AND IN RETROSPECT SHOULD HAVE REFUNDED HIS MONEY SOONER. ROB WAS NOT MY NORMAL BUYER ANYWAY. I USUALLY SELL TO PEOPLE WHO BUY AS PETS, NOT AS BREEDERS. ROB WAS NOT SUCH A NICE GUY AND ROB AND I JUST DEAL WITH ISSUES DIFFERENTLY. ROB WAS A HURRY UP AND I WAS A LETS WAIT. I THOUGHT HE WOULD BE PATIENT. BUT NO ONE, NO ONE NO ONE WAS RIPPED OFF. SO STOP LYING TYO THE PUBLIC. YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A CYBER BULLY WHO TAKES GREAT PRIDE IN HARMING SOMEONE YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW. I WILL BE ASKING FAUNA CLASSIFIED TO INVESTIGATE WHAT YOU ARE NOW DOING AND ASK THEM IF THIS IS ACCEPTABLE. THE CASE IS CLOSED. MOVE ON. YOU ARE NOT SAVING ANYONE ANYTHING! I MAY EVEN ASK MY LAWYER TO INTERVENE.

I HAVE HAD SUCH LOVELY EXPERIENCES WITH KIND PEOPLE. I HAVE BEEN PATIENT WITH THEM, WHEN THEIR MONEY IS TIGHT. I HAVE SLOWLY SOLD MOST OF MY BELOVED COLLECTION DUE TO MY OWN INJURIES. YOU TWO ARE THE ONLY ONES AND YOU ARE STILL HOLDING ON TO THIS??? MALIGNING ME FOR A DELAY IN SHIPPING. I HAVE SOLD 2 BEAUTIFUL ADULT INDIGOS FOR $3000 CASH, HALF UPFRONT AND HALF 2 MONTHS LATER, I HAVE ALSO SOLD AND MADE THOUSANDS FROM THE SALES OF: A BEAUTIFUL ADULT FEMALE BLOOD BOA , 3 ADULT FEMALE LEOPARDS FROM GERMANY, AN ADULT MOTLEY HET LEOPARD, AN ADULT FEMALE SUNGLOW AND AN ADULT MALE PEARL ISLAND...ALL WITH ZERO PROBLEMS!!!!!!! THE DIFFERENCE WAS IN THIS ONE INSTANCE, THE BABY BRB SNAKE HAD A RETAINED EYECAP AND I DID NOT WANT TO MAIL IT TO ROB UNTIL IT RESOLVED ...AND I UNDERESTIMATED ROB'S CHARACTER AND PATIENCE. A COLLEAGUE OF MINE EVEN TRIED TO TELL YOU BOTH MY STANDARDS ARE HIGH; AS HE VISITS MY SNAKE ROOM OFTEN AND YOU ATTACKED HIM TOO!! SHAME ON YOU! FOR CREATING 8000 VISITS FOR THIS ONE INCIDENT (A RETAINED EYECAP) AND THEREFORE DELAYED SHIPMENT. I ENDED UP REFUNDING ROB BECAUSE HE DID NOT HAVE THE PATIENCE TO LET THE ISSUES RESOLVE ...EVEN THOUGH WHILE THE ISSUES WAS RESOLVING, IT WAS AT MY EXPENSE . I HAVE ALSO GIVEN AWAY 21 FREE SNAKES THAT WERE WORTH A FORTUNE... BECAUSE OF MY INJURIES, ALREADY GRIEF-STRICKEN, I HAD TO ACCEPT MY LIMITATIONS. I HAVE LOST THOUSANDS ON MY INVESTMENTS. SO WHAT? AND I HAVE MADE BACK SOME THOUSANDS ON SOME OF MY INVESTMENT. SO WHAT. I STILL CARE ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE ANIMAL MOST OF ALL. AND ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS THIS. EVEN AFTER THE SALE OR GIFT, I CONTACT THEM AND MAKE SURE THE SNAKES ARE OK, MONTHS LATER.

I SUGGEST YOU START PRACTICING MINDFULNESS, STOP LIVING IN VENGEANCE, LET GO, FORGIVE YOURSELF, ME AND ANYONE ELSE YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE ENTITLED TO BULLY, AND INVESTIGATE YOUR APPARENT ENJOYMENT IN ATTEMPTING TO DESTROY MY REPUTATION. YOU KNOW, HOLDING ON TO THINGS CAUSES CANCER. IT IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU OR ME. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO ALL DAY BUT STALK FAUNA WAITING TO POUNCE...THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A PREDATOR. YES I STOPPED YOU FROM DEFACATING ON MY NEW THREAD. I EMAILED FAUNA ABOUT KATHLEEN AND THEY TAUGHT ME HOW TO DISABLE THREADS SO SHE COULDN'T...

AND BY THE WAY, THAT BEAUTIFUL BRB DID RESOLVE HIS EYE CAP, THOUGH IT DID TAKE AWHILE. ROB DECLARED HIS INTENTION WITH THAT BABY: HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO BREED IT. WELL BRB IS STILL NOT OLD ENOUGH TO BREED, SO WHAT DID ROB CARE, IF I TOOK CARE OF HIM AT MY EXPENSE WHILE THE ISSUE RESOLVED. AND REMEMBER, I DO NOT MAKE A LIVING OFF OF SNAKES AND HAD OTHER THINGS TO ATTEND TO, SO I WENT ABOUT MY LIFE ASSUMING ALL WAS WELL AND TELLING ROB TO KEEP COOL AND CALM. BUT HE WOULDN'T, HE COULDN'T. HE INTERPRETED THE WAITING GAME INTO A PRESUMED MALICIOUS ACT. MEANWHILE, DO YOU REMEMBER, I HAD A DEATH IN THE FAMILY??? DID YOU TELL ANYONE I HAD TO GO TO GREECE?? NOT ONE WORD OF CONDOLENCES TO ME DID EITHER OF YOU SPEAK. WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE YOU?

SO TO ALL THE WORLD, LET IT BE KNOWN, I DID NOT SELL THE SNAKE TO KATHY. SHE MAILED A CHECK AND I DID NOT CASH IT. SHE DECIDED TO STOP PAYMENT ON THE CHECK ANYWAY AND COST HERSELF A FEW BUCKS. THE BRB ULTIMATELY HAD A SHED/EYE CAP ISSUE THAT CAUSED A DELAYED SHIPPING. ROB, DECIDED, HE DID NOT WANT TO WAIT, AND INVENTED, IN THE ABSENCE OF THE SNAKE, ,MALICIOUS INTENTIONS WHEN THERE WERE NONE. IN THE END, I REFUNDED HIM AND DECIDED I DIDNT LIKE HOW HE HANDLED ME OR THE SNAKE AND I MOVED ON. I HAD NO IDEA THE WITCH HUNT WAS EVEN GOING ONWARD ON FAUNA UNTIL ONE OF MY DEAR FRIENDS TOLD ME.

MOVING TO THE PRESENT, BRB IS KNOCK-OUT GORGEOUS. HAD ROB WAITED, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE. YES, IT TOOK LONGER THAN EXPECTED. BUT IRREGARDLESS, I WILL BE SELLING BRB TO A KIND NEW OWNER WITH EASE AND GRACE TO A HAPPIER KINDER GENTLER BUYER. I AM STILL PRETTY NEW TO FAUNA RULES AS THIS IS THE FIRST UNPLEASANT EXPERIENCE I HAVE EVER HAD WITH A SNAKE/SALE.

I HAVE LEARNED FROM THIS AND FEEL BAD ABOUT IT BUT ALSO TRAUMATIZED AND HAVE GROWN TO LOATH THE WHOLE SNAKE ONLINE WORLD OF EXPLOITATION. THIS WAS ONCE MY BELOVED PASSION AND MY HEART WAS INNOCENT. NOW I JUST WANT TO CRINGE AT HOW PEOPLE TREAT EACH OTHER AND HOW THEY TREAT SNAKES. ULTIMATELY GREAT SPIRIT TAKE THIS BURDEN AND FREE MY SOUL.

Thank you Kathleen. I actually clicked on the ad and saw that gorgeous snake, then noticed who the seller was.

Lisa, first, lose the caps. Second, get over yourself. Third, lose the "victim" crap. Yeah, you are "traumatized" by your original Bad Guy thread that likely would NOT have been resolved had Robert not posted here. And yet, you are so traumatized, here you are again.

There is no bullying going on here, no one needs to forgive themselves, lol. This is just an update to let prospective buyers of that beautiful (yes, it is absolutely gorgeous) snake who they may be dealing with. THAT is what the BOI is about. Buyers can read, weigh it all out, ask questions and make up their own minds.

I do find it interesting you make it clear in your ad that you will "speak by voice" to prospective buyers. Most prospective sellers/ buyers would rather speak by voice and back it up with text / emails to have a written record in the event something goes wrong, either for you, the seller, or the buyer ... just saying. Good luck; that boa is absolutely gorgeous.

Originally Posted by spiralawakening

I MAY EVEN ASK MY LAWYER TO INTERVENE.

And you accuse others of bullying? People can express facts, experiences and opinions, threatening them with legal interventions simply makes you look silly and ineffective.

Originally Posted by spiralawakening

YOU KNOW, HOLDING ON TO THINGS CAUSES CANCER.

Could you cite your authority for this statement please?

Originally Posted by Robert Seib

I responded to an ad for a high red Brazilian Rainbow Boa male yearling on Kingsnake.com for $300. I wanted to use PayPal or Visa, but she insisted on a personal check. I sent her the check and she cashed it on September 6, 2016. Weeks later she said the snake had been neglected while she was out of town and that it had a stuck shed. I requested a refund. She refused citing my "poor attitude." She stated that I "didn't deserve a refund." She never shipped the snake and cut off contact with me in the middle of October.

It is now December 4th. I have filed and Internet Crime Report, a U.S. postal mail fraud case, and Kingsnake.com has suspended her account.

She still has my money, and I am out $300.

Beware of Lisa Apramian.

Originally Posted by Robert Seib

Hi, Yes. PayPal has notified me that the funds did clear today.

Thank you all again for your support. I really appreciate it. If it were not for this board I never would have seen my money again.

Thank you.

robert

Robert, I agree. I'm glad you got your refund, and I'm glad you posted this issue on Fauna.

Laura, Are you a physician, are you a therapist? Are you qualified to diagnose or treat PTSD? No. So do not presume to know anything about my traumas. I ask that people call so I can hear the voice and have a nice long initial interview to rule out anyone that I don't think is a good adoption of my pets; especially Moonglow. Again, you presume that voice is suspicious. Perhaps I come from another generation and like voice better. Anyway there is plenty of texting that will happen. I simply said I will not do sale until I speak. Thank God I care about my animals enough to not jump at the first buyer's interest. You can not get that from a text. And these cyber terrorists thrive in this world of texting from the safety of their computer and are wasting my time. If you want to talk to me pick up the phone and then you will have to be a real person, not a judge and jury. One unfortunate experience, which was never a rip off, only a delay, does not make for what they did the first time, let alone starting it up all over again this re-ification which is very stressful. As I said, I am a very sensitive person and have experienced a very heavy loss. I do not do well with bullies and have had my share my whole life . I am in adrenal exhaustion. Since no one was ever ripped off, you might try re-reading my explanation which took up this whole Friday and instead of parenting a 56 yo woman, try having some empathy and neutrality. Your reply is still biased and it appears you too like the cyber rodeo. Too bad for you and all the your that will continue the abuse from the safety of their computers... Moonglow already has a new owner.

You have no idea of the damage Kathleen caused in my life. Lawyers are there to protect perpetrators in our country. There was no rip off, only a delay. Move on, You do not even know me and my sweet snake is already re-homed.

Originally Posted by spiralawakening

You have no idea of the damage Kathleen caused in my life. Lawyers are there to protect perpetrators in our country. There was no rip off, only a delay. Move on, You do not even know me and my sweet snake is already re-homed.

I believe that readers who read the original thread may see that you caused your own damage by your own words and behavior.
Are you saying that because you have a lawyer, you are a perpetrator?

you don't even read correctly, don't waste all our time! It took 2 people are each had their part and then all the insanity that cyber attacking co-created on top of that. Negativity to no end.