Jeane Best / Wendy Childs...Beware

I was directed to the following ads by a customer of mine, the ads state that this animal for sale was produced from adult animals acquired from myself and another breeder.

I have NEVER sold these people any Mack Snows, I e-mailed these folks and was told by them that they acquired their adult breeders from a guy in Idaho by the name of Mike West. I have never sold any Macks to a Mike West in Idaho either.

I have repeatedly asked them to remove my name from their listings as I do not wish to be associated with a animal that may not possibly be a true Mack Snow. They have not removed my name from their ads. So I am left with no other alternative but to post this here.

Considering how she uses lineage and family tree, etc as such a big selling point in her ads you would think that she would want to be 100% sure. My favorite quote from the ad has to be "Don't fall for these cons selling fake macks and fake super macks."

I have NEVER sold these people any Mack Snows, I e-mailed these folks and was told by them that they acquired their adult breeders from a guy in Idaho by the name of Mike West. I have never sold any Macks to a Mike West in Idaho either.

The ad clearly mentions Lizard Lair as part of the connection. Can you show that Lizard Lair has no right to make the claim that they had any Mack Snow? Did you ever send any to Shelly or others there?

I have repeatedly asked them to remove my name from their listings as I do not wish to be associated with a animal that may not possibly be a true Mack Snow.Alex,

"May not possibly?" I do not know what you mean. Are you saying "in no way possible"? Or are you saying "its possible they are not", which could also be read as "its possible they are"?

Alex, I understand your concerns. I see my name and lineages in ads often enough, with links to animals that have graced the covers of magazines, etc. Sometimes its bogus, sometimes its possible but likely bogus, and sometimes its rock solid. I am curious how this one plays out.

Has anyone done any background checks on Mike West? He's a real charmer here in the Northwest, I would not doubt that Mike lied about buying them from you.

Alex, what gives? Did you not sell the bloodline to Lizard Lair?

For the benefit of the reader, Jeane and Wendy are out of state today celebrating a 60th wedding anniversary for Jeane's Mother. They may not be able to respond to this thread until tomorrow. In the meantime, I do still ask Alex for some legitimate clarifications, as mentioned in my earlier post. Perhaps Alex is busy today as well.

Jim, just what needs to be clarified? Their ad plainly states the animal for sale was produced from breeders "acquired" from Lizard Lair and Alex Hue. I've already said I've NEVER sold them any Macks and I've never sold this Mike West guy any Macks either. Its pretty clear in my opinion, I dont know either one of those parties, I've never sold either one of those parties any Macks....and because of the fact I've never sold either one of those people any Macks, they shouldnt be claiming that some of their adult breeders were "acquired" or originated from me.

They have already admitted that they purchased these adult breeders from this Mike West guy, if anything...they should list him as the person whom they acquired some of these animals from....not me.

If you want to argue the "lineage" thing, well lets do that too......the proper and morally correct way to word or phrase their ad would've been..."our adult breeders were purchased/acquired from Mike West and originally produced by Alex Hue and Lizard Lair" or something to that affect. But guess what? I 've already said that this Mike West guy has NEVER purchased any Macks from me.

As far as I'm concerned, my name should've never been placed in those ads, the ads are some what misleading. Anyone reading those ads would assume that some of those adult breeders came from me directly which is not the case.

I've already told these people that I never sold this Mike West guy any Macks and that I wouldnt be able to say that those animals originated from me in any way form or shape. Now if this Mike West guy lied to these folks and stated that he acquired some of those adult breeders from me.....the morally correct thing to do would've been to remove my name from those ads anyway because they now have verification that this Mike West never received animals from me. Just to clarify my stance on this, they say this Mike West guy sold them animals which he claims he got from me, I've already told them that Mike West did not get them from me....the red flags have now been waved, I've asked that my name be removed from their ads...instead they relisted those ads with my name in them yet again after being given the info that Mike West did not receive his animals from me....how should thier actions be interpreted?

As far as Shelly from Lizard Lair is concerned...that has nothing to do with my name...now does it? If Shelly wants to get involved with this thread...thats her perogative, what I can say is that these people have also admitted they did not purchase some of their adult breeders directly from Lizard Lair either.

The purpose of this thread is to let people know that those animals did not originate from me as it appears in their ads, even more so now since I've already told them that Mike West did not purchase any Macks from me either.

In the meantime, I'll post a portion of an ad by Jeane and Wendy that can be found in the Kingsnake Classifieds, Leopard Geckos. It was posted early this morning. Its is the second version of the ad, as Jeane and Wendy made changes in the first one at the request of Alex. Alex also posted two ads just above this one, and I will go so far as to say that he was aware of these exact words from the ad:

Produced by me from breeders by Lizard Lair and Alex Hue. To clarify this statement. I have signed paperwork that serves as proof that backs up my claim of a trade for the breeders that produced this animal. One of which is said to be Lizard Lair and one of which is said to be Alex Hue. I also have direct knowledge and email documentation of the purchase of those animals directly and indirectly with above said breeders. I have no reason to believe these documentations are falsified in any way. The quality and appearance of the listed animal speaks for itself. I will not be backed into a corner and forced to remove information from my ads. Alot of dragons were traded ay a great cost to obtaining these breeders and I have a right to sell their offsping for whatever price I choose for what they in fact are.

This ad was posted 4 hours before Alex started this thread. He posted his own ads over it approximately two hours after Jeane and Wendy's ad, and still two hours before the thread starter here. It clearly connects the dots, and also claims that they have the documentation to prove it. It also alludes to some other issue, which for the benefit of the reader was an ongoing email exchange between Alex and Wendy, where Alex had been provided with the information. But in reading your initial thread starter Alex, you seem ignorant of what is stated here in the ad, omit what would be seen to be very significant information IMO, and lead the casual reader to believe that Wendy and Jeane have no claim. I am confused. What's up ?

Jim...lets connet the dots...

here are ads that are still running in its entirety

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/pp_c...&cat=28&page=2

this one is particularly interesting

http://www.reptileauctions.com/aucti...ls.php?id=3551

that one was listed Mar. 16, 2006 15:43:31 EST

Any change of wording in those? better yet....how can you possibly argue the fact that I've already stated they did not purchase any from me directly? or that Mike West purchased any from me directly?

Produced by me from breeders aquired from Lizard Lair and Alex Hue

what would a person assume with that statement???