Bad Guy Dead Beat Andrew Wireman

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I am writing this post to show the character Andrew Wireman is and what he has bestowed on me. I do not want to incorporate my business name (Adirondack Geckos) or Andrews (Extreme Geckos) with this post as it has no bearing on what transpired. This was a personal decision on my part to initiate a friendly gesture.
I am a very humble person and do not advertise what goes on “behind the scenes” of my life as a Sister of the Third Order of St. Frances. One of the things that I do is to help people and animals in need with any extra funds I have left in the month. This is part of my devotion as a Third Order. I know some that will be reading this post have been recipients of what I do. I do not bring up my religious beliefs for any form of sympathy or recognition. I mention this because of a statement that Andrew Wireman made on his last post to me. I am not the type to out anyone but Andrew crossed the line by bringing my faith into this incidence in a negative way.

On September 10th Andrew posted a thread (which I can no longer find) with a severely emaciated leopard gecko at his local mom and pop pet store. He wanted to buy ($189.99) this gecko to get it out of its situation and bring it to his home to try and get it back to health. Andrew never asked anyone on the thread for money. I took the initiative to PM him and offer some financial help of $100 towards the purchase of the gecko. He said he could cover the rest of the money. He searched my name to make sure I was not a scammer. I did not understand why, I wasn’t taking money out of his paypal account, I was putting in. He was overwhelmed at the offer and could not believe someone would be kind enough to help in this matter.

I sent a Paypal amount of $150 instead of the initial $100 on that day September 10th. I sent as Family/Friends due to the fact I was not buying a [/I]product from Andrew. I can and will post my paypal payment to him if asked.
I would not feel I was out the money if he had purchased the gecko, even though I am to this day out the $150 plus the $150 to the rescue that Andrew said he would send back to me for the rescue that he and I discussed.

Please understand that I work long hours and take care of my mom so this limits my use of this site and not getting back to any questions you may have right away. However, I will do the best that I can with the time that I have.

Some of the texts overlapped and you will see that answers to questions were answered in different time frames.

I can not screen shot, this is copy and paste. Let it speak for itself…………………….

Kathy Henderson
Andrew, hi. I read about the pet store gecko. I have also checked your FB and see that we both live with Christ in our lives. So that being said I can send you $100 towards the purchase of the gecko. Don't get me wrong, I would help a non believer as well but there's always that special bond. Let me know if you will except my offer. Peace, Kathy www.adirondackgecko.com
9/10, 8:23pm

Kathy Henderson
You think she's still alive?
9/10, 8:26pm

Andrew Wireman
Yes I'm positive I called the petstore yesterday and they said shes doing better but see I raise geckos and to me that's just sad have you checked out my page Extreme Geckos please do and yes I would gladly take your offer and as in my return I would give you one of my Leo's. please get back with me
9/10, 8:28pm


Kathy Henderson
Oh I know Extreme Geckos. No need to send me anything. Just pay it forward. What's your PayPal address. Can you make up the rest of the $ for her?
9/10, 8:28pm

Andrew Wireman
I'm checking on the address to make sure it's correct but is this really real I mean I'm by no means calling you a scammer or anything it's just that nothing ever happens to me like this
9/10, 8:34pm

Andrew Wireman
Ok I believe you and I think that you trying to help out is awesome and couldn't thank you enough it's really amazing when you cry out for help to The Lord and he answers through us his children wow
9/10, 9:02pm

Kathy Henderson
Every step we take, every person we meet is all mapped out. So hows about a little help getting one of Gods creations out of this situation?
9/10, 9:03pm

Andrew Wireman
Please that would be amazing
9/10, 9:03pm

Kathy Henderson
Where can I send the $
9/10, 9:05pm

Andrew Wireman
How do I find out what my Paypal address is
9/10, 9:06pm

Kathy Henderson
When you sell reptiles how do ppl pay you?
9/10, 9:07pm


Andrew Wireman
Well I usually meet locally I haven't figured out how the whole process goes as far and shipping boxing mailing kind of thing
9/10, 9:09pm

Kathy Henderson
Do you have a Paypal? If not ill send a money order tomorrow.
9/10, 9:09pm

Andrew Wireman
Yes I have a Paypal account
9/10, 9:10pm

Kathy Henderson
Well I don't know how you find out what it is.
9/10, 9:10pm

Andrew Wireman
Hang on let me check
9/10, 9:10pm

Andrew Wireman
[email protected]
9/10, 9:12pm

Kathy Henderson
Ok got it. I'll send within the next 30 mins.
9/10, 9:12pm

Andrew Wireman
Awesome thank you so much god bless you
9/10, 9:13pm

Kathy Henderson
Bless us all that care.
9/10, 9:13pm

Andrew Wireman
Amen!
9/10, 9:21pm

Kathy Henderson
Money sent. Her name will be Faith, if its a he his name will be Francis. Lol
9/10, 9:22pm

Andrew Wireman
Lol her name is faith.
9/10, 9:22pm

Kathy Henderson
Did the $ come thru yet Andrew?
9/10, 9:40pm

Andrew Wireman
Nope not yet
9/10, 9:42pm

Kathy Henderson
Yeah sometimes it takes a while. Because it was sent as family you will have to except or deny. Let me know when it gets there. I pray it's not to late for her. Get everything ready in her new home! I'm excited for her.
She might need worming, do you have any panicur?
9/10, 9:44pm


Andrew Wireman
Yes I just received it and no I have never herd of worming a Leo
9/10, 9:48pm

Kathy Henderson
Well I bet ya they feed crickets at the pet store.
Dirty crickets at that.
9/10, 9:52pm

Andrew Wireman
Yes I used to work there and yes dirty crickets
9/10, 9:52pm

Kathy Henderson
If they can't take care of a gecko they prob don't clean the cricket bin.
9/10, 9:53pm

Andrew Wireman
Yea once a week but they ordered like 25,000 and were kept in a 40gal tub with ventilation
9/10, 9:54pm

Kathy Henderson
40 gallon, 25K ewww
9/10, 9:54pm

Andrew Wireman
Yea talk about crowed
Thanks again so much friend
9/10, 9:56pm

Kathy Henderson
Well keep me updated on her please. And thank you for taking this on. Bless your heart.
9/10, 9:58pm

Andrew Wireman
No thank you again again and again I will keep you in my prayers
9/10, 10:00pm

Kathy Henderson
Thank you, a little extra prayers always helps.
9/10, 10:06pm

Andrew Wireman
Take care and let's keep In touch
9/10, 10:20pm

Kathy Henderson
Glad your pup was spared, such a terrible virus. Will Faith be coming home today? After you get her smack the manager from me. Lol
And why $189!!!! That's insane!
9/11, 11:27am

Andrew Wireman
Idk I'm going to tell that I'll I have is 150 cash and not a dime more!!! Lol
9/11, 11:28am

Kathy Henderson
Hold your ground. Tell him $100 first, if he does agree you will call agr/marketing on him.
But once you get her you should call them anyway. Really. She won't be the last to feel the abuse.
And be prepared, ppl are going to give you crap about rescuing. You know how that goes.
9/11, 11:31am


Andrew Wireman
Right I called them last night and they said they get snakes in all the time that are sick and die within a couple weeks I don't know who he gets his reptiles from but I need to find out
Probably Friday it takes 2 to 3 business days to transfer into my checking
9/11, 11:34am

Kathy Henderson
Awww damn
They get their stock from reptile warehouses. Just so sad.
9/11, 11:36am

Andrew Wireman
Yea I can't wait but I'm getting ready for work my fiancé will have my phone today so you all can talk and get to know each other I work at heiners bakery ever herd of it lol have a good day
9/11, 11:37am

Kathy Henderson
They won't buy from ppl like us. I do have a mom and pop store here that buys from me but they are excellent with the care. They better be, they know if I go in and see anything that I don't like they will feel my wrath.
9/11, 11:38am

Andrew Wireman
Haha I know what you mean
9/11, 11:38am

Kathy Henderson
Nope that's a southern bakery. Have a great day! Don't drive faster then your angel can fly.
9/11, 11:44am

Andrew Wireman
Haha will do will talk tomorrow you have a good day as well
9/15, 9:28pm

Kathy Henderson
Ive not heard from you nor seen any pics of Grace on FB. You do have her correct?
9/16, 9:44am

Kathy Henderson
Sorry, Faith not grace.
9/16, 11:51am

Andrew Wireman
No they still have not released her idk if there are trying to keep her from me or what but its getting a little Ridiculous
9/16, 12:06pm

Kathy Henderson
You are a paying customer. They have to sell her to you. Can you send a friend in to buy her?
Sometimes we have to buck up. Tell them either you get her or your turning them in with evidence of pics.
Where there's a will Andrew there's a way.
9/16, 12:56pm

Andrew Wireman
Can you please call me
9/16, 12:57pm

I did call Andrew, he wanted to tell me that he called the pet store, that he had the money to come and get her. They informed him she had been sold. He said he thought they were lying and that he had a friend that worked there and would find out what was going on. He believes she was still there at the store but did not want to sell to him. We talked about the money coming back and I would find another place to use it, he agreed and thought it was a wonderful idea.

Kathy Henderson
I have a few mins so yes. What's your number?
9/16, 12:58pm

Andrew Wireman
17*0&6*14#30_
9/16, 1:36pm

Kathy Henderson
Was good to talk to you, sorry it wasn't on a brighter note. I just pray her owner takes good care of her. Perhaps it was someone like yourself, getting her the hell out if there. We may never know. Your heart was in the right place. So, in Faith Wiremans name I have donated the $150 to a reptile rescue for much needed medical supplies to save Leo's just like her. See, when one thing doesn't work out another shows up. When you send the $150 back please make sure to use the family/friends option, that way no fees to either of us. Please send ASAP back to me at: [email protected]
Thanks for trying Andrew. You a peach! I'm glad we met. Peace, Kathy
9/16, 5:32pm

Andrew Wireman
Will do thanks a bunch we will keep in touch
9/16, 5:43pm

Kathy Henderson
Oh good, i see your active right now!! Andrew, I've promised the rescue the money, they will be excepting it by Wednesday so they can get the meds that they desperately need. They went and ordered it when I contacted them with the donation. I'm counting on you to Paypal me the $150. I know your super busy but I need you to send so it clears by then for them. Thank ya much!
9/16, 11:47pm

Andrew Wireman
I will as soon as it gets into my account this whole PayPal setup has been a nightmare it told me 3 to 7days Friday so hopefully this week I can resend it back to you thank you so much and I'm glad the money can still be put to good use.
9/16, 11:53pm

Kathy Henderson
It's ok I can just send a request, that way it will go right through. Yes! Good use indeed. They just took in 22 Leo's from an a shop that has been shut down, some look even worse then Faith! They need so much as far as medical it isn't funny. Ok going to send request. You will get an email, you just have to do your part when it gets there. I'm the Paypal queen! I know how they work like the back of my hand. Talk soon. And thanks again.
9/17, 9:44am

Kathy Henderson
Checked with Paypal, something must be wrong with your bank, the money cleared acouple of days ago....strange
9/17, 1:43pm

Kathy Henderson
They say its could be in limbo, money is there. Just respond to the request Andrew and it will just come back into my account.
9/18, 1:46pm

Kathy Henderson
Andrew, is there a problem with sending back the unused money? I've spoken with Paypal. You did get the money, it did clear. I'm requesting again that you return the $150.00 today. I do not want to make a dispute to have to get it. I promised the rescue that they would have the money for medical supplies today. Please do not embarrass me more then I already am. You stated to the pet store when you called them that "you had the money" but you tell me you don't.. I did this out of the kindness of my heart and trusted you would take on your part. The rescue did not work, I'm sorry about that, so the funds should be honestly returned to me. If I do not receive the money by days end I will have no other alternative but to have Paypal/credit card company just withdrawal from your account. I feel hurt that you had reservations about me wanting to send you money and needed to "check me out" but perhaps it should have been the reverse. Please do the Christian way.
9/19, 2:36am

Andrew Wireman
No Kathy I'm not trying to not give the money back it's just I have been waiting on the money to clear into my bank account the PayPal told me 3 to 7 days and I finally got it in today just got off work will send it to you in the Morning and if you need proof that I just received it here take a look so I am no thief just to let you know I'm tired and going to bed its been a long day we will talk tomorrow
9/20, 6:25am

Kathy Henderson
You forget about me bud?
9/21, 4:29am

Andrew Wireman
No Kathy I'm really sorry I'm wasn't paying attention when paying my bills and then saw the Paypal money had went into my account its just been a horrible week I'm struggling to try and keep my house and I wasn't paying attention but I'm going to pay you back the best way I can if you can just bare with me times are hard and I'm just going through a lot right now can you please pray for me again I'm very very sorry please don't think I'm a bad person Andrew.
9/29, 6:33pm

Kathy Henderson
Are you going to make any attempt to pay back or is this a loss. Your payday should be here and since you used my money last payday you can send it to me this time. I SHOULD have priority this paycheck. If not I will take action. You took and disrespected my kindness. You can not tell me you forgot that my $150 was in your account, no way, no how. I will not except that for an excuse at all. And I do not want payments, I want it in full as you received it. AND it will be sent as family/friends paypal like I sent to you so I'm not stuck with un necessary fees.
9/29, 11:16pm

Andrew Wireman
I don't get paid till this Thursday and I'm not going to argue the point it was an accident and if you cannot accept that well then I'm sorry this whole helping out was just a big misunderstanding and Petland is hiding something and they won't tell me also you need to take a chill pill I'm tired of getting pounded down about the situation if you keep this up I won't pay you back. Period!
10/5, 5:58pm

Kathy Henderson
Andrew, are you going to settle your debt today?
10/5, 6:04pm

Andrew Wireman
Hopefully next week either when this lady shows up to buy my Leo's or when I get paid
10/5, 6:36pm


Kathy Henderson
Oh I must have misunderstood this text from you on Sept 29th: "I don't get paid till this Thursday".
Next week or until the lady pays you which ever comes first. Right
10/11, 8:16pm


Kathy Henderson
Now?
10/11, 5:59pm

Andrew Wireman
I will get it to you when I get it ok I'm very sorry if I had it by all means I would have gave it to you but I just don't have any money right now so please be patient with I'm not going to not pay you ok you need to understand people make mistakes it happens if you can't accept that then I truly think your heart is not with god!
10/11, 9:27pm


Kathy Henderson
How dare you Mr. Wireman, bring my faith, heart and my God into this. No one but God judges me. That sir crossed the line. I have NEVER had someone speak or treat me in this manner. This was undeserving, and I am very upset you did this to me, I am sad for you.
Seen 10:23pm
 
One of the things that I do is to help people and animals in need with any extra funds I have left in the month.

Andrew Wireman
No Kathy I'm really sorry I'm wasn't paying attention when paying my bills and then saw the Paypal money had went into my account its just been a horrible week I'm struggling to try and keep my house

So, OK. From the talks you had with him, do you believe it went down the way he said, that there was in fact a gecko in need, and it got sold before he could buy it?
He should not have spent the money you sent to rescue this gecko, he is not getting a pass from me for doing so.
He has agreed to repay you and so far, has not. He should make an effort to do so, and make paying a priority.
But if you help critters AND people, if he can show that he is in fact losing his home, perhaps you can give him a payment plan?


How dare you Mr. Wireman, bring my faith, heart and my God into this. No one but God judges me. That sir crossed the line. I have NEVER had someone speak or treat me in this manner. This was undeserving, and I am very upset you did this to me, I am sad for you.

Wait just a minute. You started this off by saying it had nothing to do with your respective businesses, that it was in fact a religious gift. YOU put your faith into this. And if you are going to bring the entire issue here, and make it public, we have every right to judge, and he certainly can make his observations as well.
 
If I can not except his mistake or deception, my heart is not with God. That is what I was referring the judgement statement too, I never said you people here couldn't or wouldn't.
You can pick this to pieces, what he did was wrong. He received the pay pal payment on the 18th, spent it same day. He sent me his bank statement to show the payment cleared, but forgot it was there. Ok
I can not tell you if he is losing his home, but someone who posts pics of his designer sunglasses and a new car and bragging about chroming it has his priorities messed up.
 
I could kinda see this going south about a third of the way through, and anyone who has spent time on this forum could have written the last half of those statements. Waiting on a paycheck, forgot the money was there, losing a house, pet shop employee acting shady, paypal limbo, etc., etc. His facebook profile indicates that he's very young, not having financial issues, and a great video on how to properly roll a joint. If he does have a house, he's probably losing it because he's a kid working in a bakery. And, in the midst of this foreclosure, he finds time to worry about a gecko.

On the other side, you did mention your business, his business, and God, right out of the gate, in a statement saying that you did not wish to do so. (and I believe it's Francis, not Frances), Unfortunately, a person's belief in God does not automatically make him an upright citizen, and it appears he stole your money. I'm sorry that happened to you.

People here will indeed pick this apart, because that's what the BOI is for. You will have to be understanding of that if you accuse someone of wrongdoing.


Is it possible we could have the approximate location of the pet store in question, as they are being mentioned in this thread? There are several Petlands in the Ohio/West Virginia area. Thank you.

Noelle
 
Kathy I think you flew off the handle too quick. He was just saying if you are really a believer in God you will forgive him for his mistakes. I guess you feel that he was threatening your faith. I don't see a problem with his comment as it was relevant to your conversation with him.

Other than that he should pay you back ASAP.
 
Not only that I find it ironic you say no one but God judges you, yet you judge Andrew by calling him a deadbeat in your thread title. A bit hypocritical?
 
Wow! I have been looking to this site for guidance and direction as to avoid any unnecessary problem (as many as possible) and have found it very useful. This is just my opinion and everyone has one. I'm positive others will have one about mine that is the human nature and I accept this as a fact. That being said, Kathy thank you for making me aware of this situation. I am familiar with them person and personally know several people who have knowledge of him as well. I completely understand why you stood up and posted this for those of us who depend on information like this in order to avoid issues. I am sorry to see how some people choose to attack you (again just my point of view) on particular parts of your post. I am guessing you posted the entire conversation as not to leave anything out. I dont know this I just try to put my self in others positions. I like to think the best of people as well but must say I am a bit disheartened to see the responses to your post mostly look like they missed your intentions and please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to me the point to you "hanging yourself out there" for others to see was so we would be aware that this young man might make a habit of this so we all can be forewarned instead of in the same boat as you. I remember reading a comment on the misspelling of a word in your post. As my cell phone (supposed to be a smart phone but I believe it is dumb) but I digress, has auto correct and corrects the spelling of words for me that I spelled correctly I again assume that is what happened and personally do not see the relevance of pointing it out, again just my opinion. I believed this to be a professional site to aid other professionals in avoiding purchasing from poor breeders and avoiding selling to bad buyers. If I am mistaken then so be it but I for one appreciate the information you have provided so I can pass it on to my friends who know him as well as having this information myself. Good luck Kathy and I pray he "mans up" and repays your money even if just a little at a time. Keep your chin up and know I'm most likely not the only person who feels this way.

ANDREW PAY KATHY HER MONEY ASAP OR CONTACT HER AND MAKE ARRANGEMENTS WITH HER.

Thanks,
Dena
 
Kathy, I do understand where you are coming from, especially if he "posts pics of his designer sunglasses and a new car and bragging about chroming it" and is truly in danger of losing his house. His priorities are definitely not in order. I also agree with the others that your money should be returned post haste.

That said, this statement bothers me; "No one but God judges me".
While that may be true of you, the reason you are here is because you, not God, are judging/labeling Andrew as a dead beat right out the gate.

And frankly, in real life, we are all judged every single solitary day. We are judged as children by our teachers and parents, we are judged as adults by our friends, co-workers and bosses. We are judged by how we conduct ourselves every day, all our lives ... so yeah, God is not the only entity that judges you, me and every other human being on the planet.

I don't know either one of you; have never done business with either one of you and am not taking sides, but I have to agree with John.
 
Guys, okay, maybe OP's words weren't perfect but I think some are going a little overboard, acting like a person can't be have faith in a higher power and still decide someone did them wrong. Andrew made an assertion that maybe her "heart was not with God" because she wanted her money back after he did not spend it on what it was sent for. OP just said he is shady and not honoring the deal they made, she made no assertions about his religion or how god viewed/judged him. The two are not comparable.

IDK why people are getting bent out of shape about the faith angle, it doesn't really factor in other than she didn't like him implying her being religious means it's OK to rip her off? Which I find perfectly reasonable?

The only problem I have with the OP, is that while their intentions may be good, giving money to the people who neglect a gecko (the pet store) will just propagate the problem. One gecko may be saved but it will mean that many more will probably go into the same situation again. I'm begging you not to "save" animals in such a manner! Call animal control, or newspapers, or just post online to shame them into giving up the animal to someone who can care for it, just don't make it profitable!


... that being said I have a hard time believing any of this deal was legit in the first place. I'd suspect Andrew made the whole thing up to get money for his own uses.
 
No her words are perfectly clear. She doesn't want to be judged but judges others.

And where are you getting your assertions from? I haven't seen anyone bent out of shape. We are just giving our input.
 
Everyone judges each other all the time :p There's a difference between a personal judgement and and a religious judgement. I just read the line as specifically pertaining to Andrew's statement about her heart not being with God - "No one but God judges [my faith/heart]." :shrug01:

I base these assertions on the OP's own response, where she specifically says you can judge her on a personal level:

If I can not except his mistake or deception, my heart is not with God. That is what I was referring the judgement statement too, I never said you people here couldn't or wouldn't.

Also other people comparing Kathryn calling Andrew a deadbeat to Andrew questioning Kathryn's religious conviction because she wants him to honor their deal or return the money. Perhaps no one is actually "bent out of shape", but that is just an expression wherein I am trying to communicate that I think the focus should be on the real bad guy(s) - the guy who subverts charitable funds for other purposes and the people who neglect animals?

(and, perhaps, the well meaning folks who end up enabling them)
 
That is a very elusive statement. I think she's having it both ways. Judging is judging and although trivial, I was only pointing out the hypocrisy. Doesn't need to be dragged along any further.

Yes let's focus on point shall we? I already said he should give her the money back asap. He no longer needs the money for it's intended use.
 
IDK why people are getting bent out of shape about the faith angle, it doesn't really factor in other than she didn't like him implying her being religious means it's OK to rip her off?

It's only a factor because she clearly stated in her initial post, "I am not the type to out anyone but Andrew crossed the line by bringing my faith into this incidence in a negative way."

With all due respect, she makes it appear she wouldn't out him for ripping her off until he crossed the line by bringing her faith into their "arrangement".

He's clearly crossed the line by not reimbursing her money or honoring their agreement, not by crossing any religious lines. She made it a faith/religious issue from her initial post.

I realize I seem cold and heartless (and speak only for myself), but when someone claims I don't bring up my religious beliefs "for any form of sympathy or recognition", but then makes it the focus of her legitimate complaint, then it is a factor.

Worthless as it is, it's MHO that her very legitimate bad guy thread could have been posted without all the religious references and/or acknowledgements of her beliefs and affiliations.

She gave money out of the kindness of her heart, out of her compassion for those in need around her. That, in and of itself, is truly admirable and recognizable. No one should take advantage of her kindness and willingness to offer help.

However, one does not have to subscribe to any particular religious order to be kind or compassionate. And one who does and then gets ripped off, as Andrew has clearly done, should not use that as a factor, which the OP has also clearly done.

Somebody rips you off, post it. Leave all the unnecessary stuff out.
 
It's only a factor because she clearly stated in her initial post, "I am not the type to out anyone but Andrew crossed the line by bringing my faith into this incidence in a negative way."

With all due respect, she makes it appear she wouldn't out him for ripping her off until he crossed the line by bringing her faith into their "arrangement".

He's clearly crossed the line by not reimbursing her money or honoring their agreement, not by crossing any religious lines. She made it a faith/religious issue from her initial post.

I realize I seem cold and heartless (and speak only for myself), but when someone claims I don't bring up my religious beliefs "for any form of sympathy or recognition", but then makes it the focus of her legitimate complaint, then it is a factor.

Worthless as it is, it's MHO that her very legitimate bad guy thread could have been posted without all the religious references and/or acknowledgements of her beliefs and affiliations.

She gave money out of the kindness of her heart, out of her compassion for those in need around her. That, in and of itself, is truly admirable and recognizable. No one should take advantage of her kindness and willingness to offer help.

However, one does not have to subscribe to any particular religious order to be kind or compassionate. And one who does and then gets ripped off, as Andrew has clearly done, should not use that as a factor, which the OP has also clearly done.

Somebody rips you off, post it. Leave all the unnecessary stuff out.


well put
 
Okay, we all get it, some people aren't happy with the way she worded her post. That's been stated quite enough now, and I think it's time to move on. God forbid that in the heat of the moment and being upset, someone chooses their words poorly. She knew up front she would be judged here, she wouldn't have brought this here otherwise. The OP is basically a copy/paste from a FB post over a week ago. It is time to stop getting hung up over the post's poor wording and focus on the real fact here.... Someone has stolen her money and she wants it back. I already voiced how I felt on FB about how paying money (especially obscene amounts) for "rescue" is a terrible idea.... And she knows that now. The truth of the matter is, Andrew spent that money immediately, on something else, and now he doesn't have it and seems to just hope that ignoring this situation will make it disappear.
 
There was no poor wording. It's clear what she intended to say and the hypocrisy is clear as day. The only reason to drag this point along is if it's being denied.

And yes I think everyone agrees that the OP needs to get her money back. I'd be interested to hear what Andrew is going to do now to reimburse her.
 
Andrew Wireman=deadbeat, deceptive creep. Thank you for sharing Kathryn.
 
Where was Andrew's thread originally posted? The OP says she can no longer find it, but was it on this site?
Right now Andrew has little incentive to pay this money back. If he was an ethical person, he might have at least offered to pay $10 or $20 a week until it was paid, but from what has been posted he seems like he is just stringing the OP along.

Where does he live?
Where does he post?
What other business transactions have been noted and where?
He says he works at Heiner's Bakery, is there an address or phone number?

I think sharing true accounts of this situation in his own neighborhood whether an internet neighborhood or a real one may get friends of his to help him see that he needs to make more of an effort towards repaying the funds that he has wrongfully misappropriated.
 
Agreed, let's let the stuff agreed upon out. Kathy or anyone else that knows of Andrew and anything about him as the questions previously posted ask let's get some info on here about him so someone can post where we can try to get him to pay her back. I still believe she must have copied and pasted this thread to insure full disclosure about it including the misspelling (if it was misspelled words have many different spellings) of words etc. I personally appreciate that to me it showed she is allowing her self to be critisized on things within the post in order to make sure no one thinks she posted only parts that make her look good. In previous posts on other matters ppl were chastised for not including the entire conversations. That said let's focus on Andrew and how we can locate him and hopefully get results.
 
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