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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
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Bad Guy JOEL2006 - Sick Snake

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Okay, so I have never posted here before but figured I would write this up because it makes me very upset to see people try and sell sick animals. I went to purchase an adult male black headed python from someone on here with the username "JOEL2006". I ended up driving an hour to his job yesterday afternoon (01/27/2017 : approximately 2:30 PM), because he apparently grabbed the snake on his lunch break and said it would be easier for both of us to meet there since he would not be getting home until late. I ended up driving into, not to be offensive, but not the nicest neighborhood of Philadelphia. He ended up working in a pawn shop, had the snake in a pillowcase in a box with airholes. As I arrived, someone was being pulled out of the shop in an ambulance after getting into a fist fight within the store where the snake was. I did not feel like I was in a safe situation but my eagerness to acquire a new herp got the best of me and I decided to proceed with the transaction. In the ad it was noted that this bhp had a jaw injury, what was presumably a dislocated jaw that was misaligned when popped back in. I've seen this in snakes before, including a carpet python, and thought no big deal it eats and is healthy (allegedly) and is really cheap. Perfect opportunity to pair up my female bhp, and I was told it was fed medium rats so I knew it wasn't super fed, which causes infertility and liver problems in this species. So he briefly showed me the snake before tucking it back into the pillowcase within the shop. Barely saw the jaw as the snake was very flighty and he only had it out for a short amount of time. Again, I did not feel as though I was in a safe environment after seeing someone leave the store in an ambulance. I rushed out to get back to my car and decided to take the snake out before getting out of this neighborhood. I noticed that on it's head it wasn't quite a misaligned jaw, but instead, upon forcing open the 7 foot snake's jaws in my car, was some type of a mouth infection. There was a bunch of mucus and a swollen bubble on the inside of it's mouth. I was a little nervous about going back in there, and I felt very bad for the condition this animal was in. I was in a dilemma, not sure if I should cut my losses and get this snake to a vet asap or risk my safety and go back in there for a refund. I decided that I wanted my $650 back. I went back in the store and told him this snake has some type of infection and needs to be taken to a vet immediately. He assured me the animal was fine, he got it that way 2 years ago, and that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the animal, that he has "antibiotic" and it's fine. He told me that I was made aware of the jaw injury and saw the pics in the ad (not nearly as swollen as it was in person in the ad and could pass as a misaligned jaw and I assumed it was as so). I argued back and forth with him for a bit about the overall health of this animal and said I cannot accept this. He said alright fine, got me my money and I got the hell out of there. I know he is going to probably try to sell this animal to some other unsuspecting person so I want this post to serve as a warning to anyone who wants to buy this animal or anything else he is trying to sell. I will make note that he did mention the injury on the jaw in the ad but tried to confirm with me in person that it was from a problem with it's jaw popping back into place when I was asking about it. Very upset that people try to sell sick animals and I'm also a little upset with myself that I was naive enough to think something good could come out of this situation and that this animal was going to make a fine addition. Unfortunately, I was unable to take a pic of the inside of this snake's mouth because I was alone and I used both hands to restrain it and open it's jaws to get a closer look. I don't have actual proof of this experience, but potential buyers be warned, he will try and sell you a sick animal. The only messages I have were arranging the pickup, not sure if I should post them or not or if there is anything else I should include here.

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Read the BOI rules - my full name is Nicholas Valentino, I am only 20 years old and have been keeping herps since I was a kid

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I was offering a blackheaded python for a low price because has a old injury from before I purchased it. A $ 2,000 snake for $650 SNAKE EATS FINE WITH NO PROBLEM OTHER THEN ONE SIDE OF THE BOTTOM JAW I told him a few times what was wrong with it he agreed to get it anyway, first he wanted to trade me his gecko and his box turtle :shrug01:I said no so he said he will just have to do the cash ,so he came down to pick it up and purchased it .He took it for about 5 min came back telling me a story about it being a infection ,I told him its not a infection it was a old injury since before I purchased it ,I HAVE TREATED IT WITH MEDICINE ITS A OLD BROKEN ONE SIDE LOWER JAW so I just gave him his money back and he went on his way...I don't see y this is even one here with him getting his money back without any problems .He has no feedback on here trying to build his by burring mine so I will have to pay him a visit next week some time...
 
Can we get a pic of the snake's mouth?
 
I was offering a blackheaded python for a low price because has a old injury from before I purchased it. A $ 2,000 snake for $650 SNAKE EATS FINE WITH NO PROBLEM OTHER THEN ONE SIDE OF THE BOTTOM JAW I told him a few times what was wrong with it he agreed to get it anyway, first he wanted to trade me his gecko and his box turtle :shrug01:I said no so he said he will just have to do the cash ,so he came down to pick it up and purchased it .He took it for about 5 min came back telling me a story about it being a infection ,I told him its not a infection it was a old injury since before I purchased it ,I HAVE TREATED IT WITH MEDICINE ITS A OLD BROKEN ONE SIDE LOWER JAW so I just gave him his money back and he went on his way...I don't see y this is even one here with him getting his money back without any problems .He has no feedback on here trying to build his by burring mine so I will have to pay him a visit next week some time...
Fantastic! Threatening me online? Moderators? Lol.. I am well experienced with reptiles and amphibians, and I know very well what a healthy snake should look like. What you tried to sell me was NOT a healthy snake. You should take this animal to a vet, not sell it off to become someone else's problem. I tried to do a partial trade with you? You say that as if I did something wrong by asking if you had any interest in what I had to offer. I made this thread so people can be aware of what condition this poor animal is in if they're interested in purchasing it. But yes, go ahead and state that I'm trying to build reputation by detroying yours. I'm actually a very busy college student and I have much more constructive things to do with my time. I took time out of my day to warn people about this animal you are trying to sell because perhaps if you shipped it they wouldn't have gotten to grasp the full reality of the injury situation until after it arrived on their door step. But yes, threaten me and accuse me of trying to dismantle your reputation so I can build some of my own.

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Here is the picture of the side lower jaw that I did stated in the original ad I treated it and everything a few months back it was no infection. Old broken jaw it's dirty from being in his bedding they do live under ground ...not that he is sick you don't own any blackheaded pythons he eats every week never missed a meal .....
 

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This shows how much more swollen it is just from the outside than the pics in the original ad. Kind of contradictory to treat something if it never existed in the first place, is it not? Also, here is a pic of me with my female black headed python since I apparently never owned any. I literally showed him pics of my female bhp before I realized the condition of this animal when I got back to my car lol 20161224_140139.jpg

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I can't see much other than swelling in those, so I get where you're coming from, Nick. I think this should be a lesson, and one that came cheaply, luckily enough. Buying b-grade animals generally isn't worth it beyond minor cosmetic issues. Joel, if I were you, I'd include pics of the inside of the snake's mouth so people don't read this thread and believe that it has an infection. In my experience with boids that's exactly what it looks like from the pics shown, but the only way to know is to see the soft tissue in the mouth.
 
I think the intended picture was the inside of the mouth to prove or disprove the claim of mucus or other infection.
I'm not taking sides or jumping to conclusions but I saw the bhp for sale and trade as well. Immediately thought it was too good to be true. 75% off the market value of a snake could be a risky purchase. just telling you my take.

Joel....if you want to disprove his claims:
1) post a pic or two of the inside of the mouth. take pictures good enough for us to see well enough. no weird angles or tricks please.

2) if any screenshots exist from your communication with Nick that shows his initial trade offerings (could prove credibility).

BOI threads exist forever and you cannot edit them. I would refrain from any flavor of threats.

Nick....post any screenshots you may have as far as initial trades. reference to a lower income type area doesn't prove anything as far as quality of a animal.

I'm guessing either buyers remorse or there was actually a mouth issue worse than originally thought. the lower price doesn't make think it was a snake that was trying to be unloaded quickly but that isn't proof of anything.

**pictures of the inside of the mouth should tell the story it seems.
 
I will take some good picture when he shedds he is all blue right now don't want to keep pull him out to stress him out .
 
that of course is up to you joel. the sooner the better.
what comes to mind though is that you bagged and boxed him yesterday for sell without, I assume, worrying about his stress levels. just an observation.
 
I admit, I don't see much in the way of an infection, but am curious (as Melinda is, as well). Since the snake evidently had that jaw injury when it "was small" and before you purchased it, by your own admission, Joel, just what medication did you use, how long ago and for what, exactly? And why would you sell a snake in the middle of a shed?

Good that you returned the buyer's money, Joel. Hopefully the OP has learned something about buying online. Cheap does not often equate to quality.
 
I think the intended picture was the inside of the mouth to prove or disprove the claim of mucus or other infection.
I'm not taking sides or jumping to conclusions but I saw the bhp for sale and trade as well. Immediately thought it was too good to be true. 75% off the market value of a snake could be a risky purchase. just telling you my take.

Joel....if you want to disprove his claims:
1) post a pic or two of the inside of the mouth. take pictures good enough for us to see well enough. no weird angles or tricks please.

2) if any screenshots exist from your communication with Nick that shows his initial trade offerings (could prove credibility).

BOI threads exist forever and you cannot edit them. I would refrain from any flavor of threats.

Nick....post any screenshots you may have as far as initial trades. reference to a lower income type area doesn't prove anything as far as quality of a animal.

I'm guessing either buyers remorse or there was actually a mouth issue worse than originally thought. the lower price doesn't make think it was a snake that was trying to be unloaded quickly but that isn't proof of anything.

**pictures of the inside of the mouth should tell the story it seems.

I am not saying lower income areas mean lower quality animals, but the situation I was in and the given area was very sketchy and is part of the story of what had occurred. Joel literally threatened me on here, said the snake didn't have an infection but yet was treated somehow? For what? Someone literally got pulled out of this store on a stretcher after getting beaten up and I was about to dip right then and there. Instead, I didn't, it wasn't right to do to Joel after making prior arrangements. I have jobs, I have classes, I have volunteer work, I have much better things to do than to purposefully go out of my way and ruin someone's reputation. This thread was to warn my fellow hobbyists as I saw others were interested in this very snake that has an infection. I am dealing with a child, threatening me, telling me I don't even own a bhp when I showed him a pic. Clearly not a rational person. But yes, I will prove my case. I even found a good guy thread on him which is why I figured I'd give him a chance. Even offered to put a deposit on the snake because I was initially going to be too busy with work and school to go pick it up this weekend. Don't see how the trade offer I sent him provides him with credibility. What would provide him with credibility includes:

A. Not threatening me.
B. Not lying to an online community about the species I own (or don't own according to him).
C. Posting a picture of the sticky mouth that's allegedly totally fine and not infected.

So far, he has done none of that.
I think the intended picture was the inside of the mouth to prove or disprove the claim of mucus or other infection.
I'm not taking sides or jumping to conclusions but I saw the bhp for sale and trade as well. Immediately thought it was too good to be true. 75% off the market value of a snake could be a risky purchase. just telling you my take.

Joel....if you want to disprove his claims:
1) post a pic or two of the inside of the mouth. take pictures good enough for us to see well enough. no weird angles or tricks please.

2) if any screenshots exist from your communication with Nick that shows his initial trade offerings (could prove credibility).

BOI threads exist forever and you cannot edit them. I would refrain from any flavor of threats.

Nick....post any screenshots you may have as far as initial trades. reference to a lower income type area doesn't prove anything as far as quality of a animal.

I'm guessing either buyers remorse or there was actually a mouth issue worse than originally thought. the lower price doesn't make think it was a snake that was trying to be unloaded quickly but that isn't proof of anything.

**pictures of the inside of the mouth should tell the story it seems.


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.He has no feedback on here trying to build his by burring mine so I will have to pay him a visit next week some time...

Uh, exactly what does that mean, Joel? You will have "to pay him a visit next week some time"? He got his money back, kudos to you. You have your snake back that you can sell again. Why would a personal visit be necessary?
 
Didn't mean to post the pic with the work address. I am sending a message to a moderator to take that down. I do apologize.

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No need to sign the posts, as members' names are in the name fields of their profiles.

We do not remove or delete materials from the BOI outside of very particular rule-violation-based circumstances and nothing posted in this thread qualifies.

Threats are against the rules here.
 
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