| Author | Subject: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes |
| Totally Shocked | Posted At 22:58:24 03/20/2001
Genesis Reptile Co. participated in the Texas Rattlesnake Round-up (SLAUGHTER) this year. They bought a booth, and handed out supplies to those collecting the Rattlesnakes. I cannot believe,as herpers, they would participate in such an event. They have lost my business for good. |
| Marc from REPTILE BLVD |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
Posted At 23:33:06 03/20/2001 FIRST AND FOREMOST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THESE ROUND UPS ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGE ME!! I DON'T CARE TO ARGUE WITH IDIOTS CLAIMIMG IT'S A TRADITION DOWN SOUTH - THERE ARE MANY TRADITIONS WORLD WIDE THAT HARM ANIMALS AND EVEN CAUSE ONE PERSON TO FEEL SUPERIOR OVER ANOTHER - SO FOR THE MATTER AT HAND - GENESIS REPTILE CO. SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES SPENDING THE YEAR SUPPORTING AND SUPPLYING THE HERP INDUSTRY AND THEN FOR THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR TURN AROUND AND PARTICIPATE IN A EVENT SUCH AS THIS ROUND UP - AS FOR THE PERSON REFERRING TO THEMSELVES AS "TOTALLY SHOCKED" SHAME ON YOU FOR NOT BEING STRONG ENOUGH TO LEAVE YOUR NAME, YET AGAIN I MUST ASK THE QUESTION "HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY HAD A BOOTH AT THIS EVENT, AND KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THEY WERE SELLING?" I SURE HOPE IT WAS BECUASE YOU WERE IN SOMEWAY PICKETING THE EVENT INSTEAD OF ON THE GROUNDS SUPPORTING IT??? IT TRULY MAKES ME WONDER .........HUM? |
| Webmaster |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
Posted At 00:20:49 03/21/2001 Unless 'Totally Shocked' puts in a real name and a valid email address, this entire thread will be deleted. Apparently he/she was not shocked enough to have the guts to put a name behind their convictions. The rules are plainly stated here and I certainly hate to see someone waste their time posting a message just to have it deleted. But that's the way this has to be. You have 24 hours or it will be gone. |
| Chrysta |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
Posted At 10:31:50 03/21/2001 Totally Shocked, You need to post your name and how you came by this info. If what you say is "true", I too will never purchase from Genesis Reptile Co. I'd also like to see Genesis post and give their side of the story. Until there is more info, I can only see you as an anonymous post who's mad a Genesis for some reason. Hope to hear more from you soon, Chrysta Johnson |
| Ron Sims |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
Posted At 10:55:50 03/21/2001 I agree with the message if it's true but come on, we have to post names and emails here. If we are going to support the herping wolrd in getting these events stopped, we need to find the personal courage to stand for what's right and that means posting a name and email address. And I also agree with Chrysta. Until you post a name and email addy, you are not helping the cause any. SSG Ronald Sims US Army |
| Kevin Lorentz |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
Posted At 11:35:57 03/21/2001 Well if they are they need to explain themselves.I will be e-mailing them and ask for them to confirm or deny what has been said and ask them to respond here. Who knows totally shocked may be trying to discredit them. |
| james short |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
Posted At 12:32:22 03/21/2001 hi. i dont know if Genesis was really a part of this killing but what i would like to know is where is PETA when it comes to stuff like this? they sure can worry about people not being allowed to keep exotic reptiles and mammals but they never do say anything about trying to stop things like this. there is already enough things that can whipe out these snakes without having to go and kill them. this is a sick tradition. |
| Andrew GArdner |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
Posted At 13:37:48 03/21/2001 STOP THE MADNESS!!!! BAN THE ROUNDUPS NOW, NOT LATER!!!! BEFORE EXTINCTION HAPPENS!!!! |
| Russ Wehnau |
LOMETA TX snake roundups
Posted At 14:19:53 03/21/2001 We have a small roundup in our area (Lometa Texas) again sponsered by a Lions Club. Texas Parks and Wildlife has been contacted regarding this one. It's 32nd year as I recall. They do not even feel compelled to obtain Commercial or Collectors permits as is required by TX regulations. Hmmm....it's okay if it's the lion's club...I do it, I go to jail? |
| Joe Yakelis |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
Posted At 17:29:20 03/21/2001 Ok guys/gals...I'm in total agreeance with you...obviously. But just wanted it to be known, before you guys lynch "totally shocked" that this incident is plastered all over kingsnake's venomous and crotalidae forums...take a look, you can't miss it. Who cares if "TS" didn't leave his/her real name?....the point is, is that they are spreading the word. Why take it out on the postee?...take it out on the problem.... As far as I know, the original KS crotalidae/venomous post was made by a highly respectable & knowledgeable, lady/venomous keeper that is very passionate about this field, and I highly doubt anyone would have the stones to accuse her of being involved just because she posted it. Lets try to be logical people.... Joe |
| Rhonda / AKA / love2 |
TOTALLY SHOCKED
Posted At 18:03:50 03/21/2001 I made the original post...yes, I am "Totally Shocked". I was then, and still am. I didn't leave my name/nick, because I was only passin on info...and misunderstood the rules of such. TOTALLY my fault. I had assumed , that anyone who kept up with reptile roundups/ SLAUGHTERS, would be easily able to verify this information. I have never posted anonymously before... not sure why I did this time, as I don't bother to post things I'm not willing to own up to. I've even fussed at others for doing so.... perhaps, it's because I was SO totaly shocked, and didn't think of my name as being the issue... **hangs head** fuss at me as you will.... I deserve it. Check out the posts on the Kingsnake.com Venomous Forum... it's all there to read.... I had prepared links to provide, but it's easier to just go there... http://www.kingsnake.com/forum/venom//index.html I've also contacted the EPA regarding the use of gasoline.... Thus far, have been NO HELP. I'll post further info regarding contact with them, on the KS Venomous forum, if anyone wants to keep updated on it. I've been promised a responce within 48 hours.... Thanks for taking time to read this.... I doubt my 'explanation' will mean much to many... BTW...Thanks Joe for making the point of the real issue. I should have done so myself to begin with. |
| Greg |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
Posted At 16:44:55 03/22/2001 I hate snake round ups and don't see the point to them. They should all be stopped now instead of waiting until the species is endangered. |
| Patrick Alexander |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
Posted At 19:24:25 03/22/2001 Rhonda/love2: Our kindly and generous, albeit tyrannical, webmaster desires posters also to be endowed with a last name. Patrick Alexander |
| love2 |
Well........
Posted At 21:35:34 03/22/2001 Then I shall e mail it to him. :o) |
| Rich Zuchowski |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
Posted At 10:29:06 03/23/2001 I'm not trying to fan the flames here. I checked out Genesis Reptile's website and it seemed to me that the URL 'texasreptiles.com' seemed familiar to me. Just so happens that I also run a website dedicated to herp shows (HerpShows.com) and they have quite a few shows listed throughout the year there. I checked on KINGSNAKE.COM's venomous forum for any further details in this matter. I support Jeff's consideration of dropping them as a customer, based on their ill thought out support of a rattlesnake roundup. In a like sense, although no money will be coming out of my pocket as a result, I am considering deleting all of their herp show listings on my site. I also believe that any vendors considering having tables at the TEXASREPTILES.COM shows might want to reconsider this decision in light of what their table fees will be supporting. It is MY opinion that such events such as rattlesnake roundups are barbarous and detrimental to ALL herps in general as the yahoos go out scouring the countryside for rattlesnakes. More than likely ANY herp spotted is used as target practice or in some other way harrassed or threatened. Most of the people collecting those rattlers probably have the mindset that the only good snake is a dead snake and the sooner we take away their commercial reason for going out in the field hunting for rattlesnakes, the better. And it is also my opinion that anyone that would attend any of the shows put on by TEXASREPTILES.COM is helping to support them with the dollars you spend for the attendance fee as well as providing financial incentives for the vendors to attend the shows. |
| Kara L. Glasgow |
Another Perspective
Posted At 11:36:35 03/23/2001 Let me start off by saying that I am in no way supportive of rattlesnake roundups. I am currently in the midst of writing a huge petition to be signed by all interested parties at upcoming herp-related events, calling for an end to the inhumane torture and decimation of rattlesnakes that is propagated by these roundups. I also realize that I will probably be flamed for what I'm about to write, but feel that it needs to be said. Yes, Genesis Reptile made an unwise decision to sell their products at the roundup. Their presence there was largely due to the fact that they hoped to do some education on the proper use of handling equipment such as hooks and tongs. Granted, their participation as a vendor was not the best way they could have educated the public on the topic. Let's face it, folks. They are human just like everyone else, and they made a mistake. I would not be surprised to see a public apology forthcoming, nor would I expect to see Genesis participate at roundups in the future. Here�s another point to consider: since this was Genesis Reptile�s first (and hopefully only) time to attend the roundup, which companies in the herp community have been supplying roundups with hooks, tongs and other tools during years past? Is Genesis the only guilty party? I know that there are a lot of people who will not continue to do business with Genesis due to this incident. Let's give them a chance, though, to make amends for their actions & see what their response to this whole situation is. I propose that if we give Genesis this chance & they do make appropriate amends, then perhaps we can involve them in future actions AGAINST roundups, and see if they would be willing to provide those of us taking said actions with firsthand information from their experiences at the event. In the mean time, why don�t we shift our perspective to the root of the problem? It is obvious that large numbers of herpers are equally distressed and disgusted by the occurrence of rattlesnake roundups in the first place. Why don�t we focus our collective energies on putting an end to the roundups as a whole? Yes it will take an extreme effort and outcry from the herp community, but the only way that we are ever going to put ourselves on the map is if we take a stand. If the roundups are eliminated, the vendors won�t even be an issue. Just my two bits on the matter� Kara Glasgow (a.k.a. KLG) |
| Dave Wilson |
KLG
Posted At 10:22:05 03/24/2001 I have had some pleasnt banter with you over the last couple of years. On this matter, I have more than strong feelings. This was so much more than just a bad business decision. Without being absurd, how many of the "decent" herpers do you know that would consider this to be "OK", even in a vague sort of way? As a previously integrated part of the herping community, they knew *exactly* how we would feel about this and took steps to mask their involvement. Ultimately, the goal is to end the round-ups......but there will be no quarter given by me, or I suspect many others, for this treachery. All of this was done with a nod and a wink. Untill such a time as I am convinced they have truely ammended their ways, on all fronts, I will make them the example. BTW........how many tongs would they have sold if they were really telling these "customers" just how against what they were trying to do?? This is if they really are against the slaughter, and not more for the money they made. I for one will need unequivicable evidence that they have done a whole lot to show remorse for this. Actions will always speak louder than words. Truely, Dave Wilson |
| Stephen Hammack |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
Posted At 20:05:12 03/26/2001 Alright, I tried to stay out of all of this, but I do have to say a few things here. 1) I do not agree with Genesis being there in the first place. I even told them so. 2) I have also been friends with James & Bonnie for many years and they are good people. They made a very poor business decision and are now paying for it. Lets give them time to make amends and stop all of this bashing. People sometimes make mistakes. All of us do. If you don't, then you are not human. Anyway, give them time to make amends and see what happens and lets let this whole issue calm down. |
| Buzz Ross |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
Posted At 10:38:34 03/27/2001 Thought this was a forum about good or bad business dealings. NOT MORAL ISSUES !!!!!!! These post should not be here by your own RULES. |
| Robert Hill |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
Posted At 13:01:35 03/27/2001 And you broke the rules yourself "Buzz." Do not tell anyone about the rules of this forum if you refuse to follow them yourself. And this issue does involve those of us who may or may not have been thinking of doing business with Genesis. And it is up to the webmaster to decide what posts should be here, not you or anyone else that comes here. I also disagree with Genesis taking part in the round-up. But lets see what they have to say about it and what their intentions were. PS This is NOT an attempt to start any kind of argument or flame war, so let's avoid degenerating ourselves to that. |
| Andrew Wilson |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
Posted At 13:51:28 03/27/2001 Genesis HAS apologized for having a table at the Sweetwater Roundup. I have been doing business with them for years and have always been more than satisfied. Their quality is top notch, and service is second to none. After all that has happened in the last few days I think this has gotten way out of hand! I for one am going to take their apology at heart, and I will continue to buy from them. With this kind of support I bet they will join us in the fight against rattlesnake round-ups. I really wonder why some of these critics are so hard on Genesis, yet do nothing about the real culprits (those vendors who will NEVER apologize). Andrew Wilson |
| Webmaster |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
Posted At 15:36:59 03/27/2001 Buzz Ross, I read your comment on the forum. Sorry but I just have to disagree. Morals or plain bad judgement has every bit to do with someone's decision on whom to do business with. I believe Genesis just made a major PR error by attending that roundup, and although I think they will weather the storm, it is not something just to be shoved under the carpet and hidden. If someone wants to post a message pointing out something like this and consider it as relevant criteria in purchasing decisions, I certainly cannot disagree with them. Thanks for your input. |
| jennifer |
Re: Genesis Reptile Co. helping to kill snakes
4142.html Posted At 10:40:31 06/06/2001 I'm shocked that you kill rattle snakes. If you want an unbalenced enviroment you can have it but dont blame me if you cant get ride of mice!!! |