| Author | Subject: Warning to kingsnake.com users |
| Brian Conley | Posted At 06:40:05 03/28/2001
Please be advised that Dan Atkinson and Cold-blooded Reptiles out of California are the same person. I would personally advise anyone who is thinking about doing business with Dan (or Cold-blooded) read my post below dated 3/13 or Jordan Russell's dated 3/10. And if you decide to go ahead, deal with Dan in person, as his mail order record is not untainted. Thank you, Brian |
| Bobby Pruett |
Re: Warning to kingsnake.com users
Posted At 09:17:22 03/28/2001 I went and looked at Jordan Russells post like you asked and he states that Dan Atkinson has made good on their deal?I cut & paste Jordans post below... Author Subject: Update regarding previous post. Jordan Russell Posted At 04:13:26 03/17/2001 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would like everyone involved to know that Dan Atkinson has resumed contact and has since reimbursed me for a large portion of the money. He explained why he had not returned those emails or calls having had some serious family problems and I just wanted people to know that he HAS come through. Take care, Jordan |
| Brian Conley |
Re: Warning to kingsnake.com users
Posted At 09:46:23 03/28/2001 Bobby, I did see that post from Jordan. I just want everyone to know that Dan has not contacted me and we, (Dan and I), are still at an impass. Dan's last words to me were "No more calls, no more emails, unless you want to send me money." Obvisously, I am not under the impression that I owe him money (its the other way around) so I can do nothing but warn others about his behavior and hope that he has a change of heart. Also please notice that in Jordan's post it says Dan has reimbursed "a portion" of the money. Dan strung me along for months by sending "a portion" of the money he owed me. Then after he had my animals for months, and sold them to someone else (w/o paying me), he contacts me to let me know they have died and he's not paying me the rest of what he owes me. The purpose of my post is to warn people not to trust Dan to send the money or animals after you send your's. Make him ship or pay first! |
| DAN ATKINSON |
**WARNING**
Posted At 11:28:18 03/28/2001 Brian last I talked to you I told you 3 of your Blood pythons had died. They came in very sick, and I told Brian they were sick when I got them. He said, "heat them up they will be fine! They will be fine????? One died in about 3 weeks. The little fem. died 4 days later. A friend of mine that bought one of the pair off me, had the other (3rd blood) die about 5 weeks after I got it from you he has been treating the survivor, to the tune of $259 in vet bills, It died about a week ago. I refunded his money as one died on him (it was sick when he took it) shortly after he got it from me, and the other died after it was treated for a long time! That means from me you received 2 adult albino Burms. And $150. I received from you Brian, 5 bloods. 4 ARE DEAD!!!!! Do you know what it means DEAD????? I have 1 blood (male) im out 2 good breeders shipping $150 and phone calls, and now more time to address this Bull! Not to mention a friend of mine is out $259 trying to save your snake. WHAT DO I OWE YOU??????? PLEASE! Yes all reading this should be warned DO NOT DEAL WITH THIS GUY!! I GOT SCREWED VERY BADDLY. AND IF HE CANNOT SEE THAT, THEN HE ALSO HAS OTHER PROBLEMS! I deal with a lot of people my name and reputation mean allot to me. I�ve lost allot of money making guys like Brian happy. Years ago I would have sent him the $200 just to shut him up, and so my name would not be here. Not any more,....im done. I am a very honest breeder/dialed. I will stand behind a very long record of making a lot of customers happy. If you want to know any thing about my dealing ask around. You may find a Brian or two, or maybe even more. IV dealt with thousands of people in the last 7 years. You know what? There are thousands that will tell you that I will break my back to make a customer happy. But if you deal much you will find a Brian every 20 guys or so. I'M NOT GOING TO LOSE MONEY TO KEEP HIM FROM PUTTING ME HERE! I don�t care if im here, I have made for myself a VERY strong name in this business and this will hurt me none! If I lose a customer from this it is one I don�t want. I don�t need any more Brian�s if you think he is right, as im sure he will post under this. Please do us both a favor don�t deal with me. I don�t need any business from anyone that sides with this guy. I lost. Not him. The End Dan Atkinson Cold-Blooded Reptiles PO BOX 171 Foresthill Ca, 95631 (530) 367-3625 |
| Brian Conley |
Re: Warning to kingsnake.com users
Posted At 12:00:24 03/28/2001 Dan, you're right, I will reply. When you finally picked up the animals from the airport and got them home, you called and said ONE animal (the small male) had "some fluid in it's mouth." You and I BOTH agreed that it did not seem like a big deal and it could probably be attributed to the length of time they spent in that box. The box I sent w/ a heat pack and via Delta Dash per your instructions which arrived at your airport on time and in good condition. The same box which you told me did not arrive, and had been left in Atlanta overnight, (an outright lie). It was your suggestion that heating them up would probably do the trick as you said "it doesn't look that bad." And yes, I agreed that would probably do the trick. I at no time said, "go ahead sell the animals to someone else and if they die anytime within the next two months I'll pay you back for them." Nobody gives a guarantee like that Dan, NOBODY! Dan, last time I talked to you was Feb. 2nd (3 months after you recieved the animals), and during that conversation you did say that three were dead. You also said that NONE had yet been taken to a vet, because you were waiting to see if "heating them up would work!" You then chastisied me because I said if heating didn't work within a week I would have taken them in. Your reply, "well that gets awfully expensive." So as for the $259 that probably could have been better spent 4 months ago when you noticed a problem. Finally Dan, you recieved my animals on 10/27/00. I recieved your last payment on 12/05/00 and an email stating you were still trying to get the money together on or around 12/11/00. The first time you said anything about any dead animals was 12/30/00 over two months after you recieved them. Now, I know that you had already sold the animals to someone else and they did not tell you about their supposed deaths until Dec., but again Dan, that IS NOT MY FAULT! You agreed after recieving my animals to send me the two burms (it was supposed to be three, but somehow the third went from "great shape" to "too sick to ship" in three days) and $350. Send the remaining $200 and I will stop posting, until then I'll tell everyone that will listen about our experience. |
| Brian Conley |
Re: Warning to kingsnake.com users
Posted At 12:44:42 03/28/2001 Dan, you're right I will respond. Those animals were not sick when they left here, period. Yes, you did call when you finally got the animals home and said ONE, the small male, had some fluid in it's mouth. You yourself said it wasn't very bad and it was probably just due to the amount of time the animals had spent it the box. The same box that I sent per your instruction w/ a heat pack via Delta Dash to your airport. The same box that arrived on time and in good condition. And the same box which you told me did not arrive and had been left in Atlanta overnight, when someone had already picked it up! An outright lie. Yes Dan, I did agree that heating the animal up would probably do the trick. But I never, at any time, said, "just go ahead and sell them, even though you haven't paid me for them yet, and if anything happens to them in the next two or three months I'll pay you back for them." Nobody gives a guarantee like that Dan nobody. The last time we talked was Feb 2nd, 2001, three plus months after you recieved my animals. And yes, you did say three were dead and one was sick at that time. You also said that NONE had yet been taken to a vet!!!! (3 months) You said you "were waiting to see if heating them up would do it." You then chastised me because I said I would have taken them in after the first week. You reply, "well that gets awfully expensive." So as for the $259 that probably could have been better spent three moonths ago when it became your snake. Finally Dan, it boils down to this, you accepted my snakes on 10/27/00. Waited over a day to send me two out of the three animals you promised. And then agreed to send the other $350 (for the snake that went from "great shape" to "too sick to ship" in three days) in cash. You continued to stay in touch up until 12/11/00 promising the $350 and finally sending $150 on 12/5/00. You mentioned NOTHING ELSE about the health of the bloods until 12/30/00, (two months after you recieved them), when you first told me about their deaths. Yes, I know, you had already sold them and the new owners didn't tell you until then. But, again Dan, that has nothing to do with me. They became your snakes on 10/27/00, snakes which you still have not paid for. So Dan, until you send me the remaining $200 I will continue to post here and continue to tell everyone that will listen about our experience. Brian |
| Brian Conley |
Re: Warning to kingsnake.com users
Posted At 12:49:09 03/28/2001 Sorry, my conection dumped and I thought I lost the first post. |
| Jordan Russell |
Re: Warning to kingsnake.com users
Posted At 16:53:18 03/28/2001 I didn't even know all of this was going until I stumbled accross it. I wouldn't even post but I do feel since my name has been involved and the original post was started by me that I should give my $0.02 =) I would like to state facts to keep this as clear as possible with little misunderstandings (if that's possible! lol) 1.) Dan HAS reimbursed me. 2.) Dan Apologized for, Not staying in contact which is the whole reason I thought I had been taken, for getting kind of out of control on the BOI forum. As did I things were sort of out of control and neither of us should have posted some statements we did. 3.) Dan has tried to make up MORE than the original $2,000 by sending me animals valued at more than $2,000. 4.) Every deal we had done in the past had been handled fine, we had some mishaps through shipping (neither parties faults) but I had never had a problem with him as far as ANYTHING we had done involving animals. 5.) I stated that I had never had a problem with him other than that incident which edventually was made even on. I don't know what happened with the other deals, but this is what happened with mine. Take care, Jordan Russell |
| Brian Conley |
Re: Warning to kingsnake.com users
Posted At 21:50:13 03/28/2001 Jordan, please understand I only used your post as another example. I'm glad Dan made good on your deal. I wish he would make good on ours; because I really don't enjoy doing any of this. However, if I'm not going to get my $200 from him, I will spend at least three times that much in time and energy making sure people know about what went down with our transaction. Again sorry to put your name back in this now that you're satisfied. Brian |