| Author | Subject: Jerry Tubbs |
| Andy Riddle | Posted At 08:39:00 04/06/2001
Jerry, thanks for the help and advice. Jerry puts out some nice snakes and knows his stuff. He's very concerned about the well being of his animals and follws up regularly while they're in transit. UPS lost the shipment I ordered and I got the snakes almost a week later, you can imagine the result. Jerry was very upset and sent me replacements ASAP. The snakes are doing fine Jerry, Thanks and keep up the good work. Andy |
| George Maloney |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2267.html Posted At 08:53:24 04/06/2001 OK, this is just a question: What is this guy Jerry Tubbs doing, making it a requirement that anyone that buys something from him MUST post a good guy post here? Sheessh! I don't know about the rest of you, but all of these posts in favor of thise guy one after another are starting to look suspicious to me. |
| john a |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2269.html Posted At 10:56:17 04/06/2001 i agree pretty suspicious look in the herps for sale section of this site for more on this person john apple |
| jerry tubbs |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2270.html Posted At 11:54:22 04/06/2001 well to answer both of you ..... when i started selling snakes this year i asked people if they was satisfied with the animals and srevice to post a comment or tell friends about me .....so that what there doing .....whats the big deal ?? answer that please ... like i said for everybad deal or thought there are several good ones ... so whats to question here ?? is it jelousy(sp) or is it wrong that these people are happy ? or just tell me whats the matter .... this is a place for good and bad guys isnt it ??? thanks jerry www.jtsreps.com |
| Raven Johnson |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2271.html Posted At 11:55:26 04/06/2001 Glad I'm not the only one to think this looks rather odd. Couldn't they at least put it all under one thread?! |
| jerry tubbs |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2272.html Posted At 11:58:02 04/06/2001 also if its so suspicious wont dont you email these people and see are they for real or if they exist since some of you doubt it ...... but as people said " we dont have the time to check out the good stuff on ya " but they sure as hell will dig for the nitty gritty ....now go figure... thanks jerry www.jtsreps.com |
| jerry tubbs |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2274.html Posted At 12:12:37 04/06/2001 hey mr. maloney what is your email addy? ive emailed twice and it comes back as having permanant fatal errors .hmmmm..... let us know why???? thanks jerry www.jtsreps.com |
| john a |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2275.html Posted At 12:45:54 04/06/2001 no Jerry no jealousy here just suspicion which is not wrong, if we weren't suspicious we would get screwed no offence meant to you Jerry just keep up the 'good' deals goin if they are so john apple |
| jerry tubbs |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2278.html Posted At 12:52:53 04/06/2001 thanks john.....but suspicion and caution are 2 diffrent things......and if people wasnt putting the comments up would it have changed anyones mind if they was wqanting to deal with me but didnt know about me .....i DO NOT |
| jerry tubbs |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2280.html Posted At 13:02:03 04/06/2001 sorry got cut off but i DO NOT make it a request they must post a comment i tell em if ya like what you got will you put one up and thats what they do ...so that tells me thety like what they got .wouldnt you all agree ??? thanks jerry www.jtsreps.com |
| jim scharphorn |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2286.html Posted At 15:44:26 04/06/2001 who cares if it looks suspiciouse im just tired of seeing his name once or twice a day that he is a great guy im with the other guy people should just put threads under his name with the other 5000 people |
| Robert Hill |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2287.html Posted At 16:27:16 04/06/2001 Well, I think that you guys are trying to make something out of nothing here. If I have something good to say about somebody I buy from, I am not always going to search the entire forum for another post, I am just going to post it. There are posts going back a long time here, would you search the whole thing just to say, "Jerry is a Good Guy." I would want to make sure people can see it easily, not have to go searching for it. Obviously, people are satisfied time and time again with Jerry's service. If you are suspicious, then contact the people that posted, but if you don't care, then don't bother. No reason to start something up just because he is getting good posts and you are suspicious/jealous of it. |
| Jacob Komen |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2288.html Posted At 16:51:44 04/06/2001 It is illeagal to ship snakes by UPS or Fed-ex. If this guy really is all that great he would know that and ship your snakes by delta. How do we know you are a real customer. |
| john a |
Re: UPS
2291.html Posted At 17:35:15 04/06/2001 its quite clear jerry has a strong following from what i'm sure are good deals with him sorry for the suspicion but it was warrented another thing it is NOT illegal to ship snakes by way of ups or fed ex i run the shipping department of an aftermarket company for pick ups i know most of the reps for ups and fed ex i have used thier services many a time to ship critters they watch my shipments well [maybe because of my position at the company i work at]if it was illegal to ship these animals i think i would know but yes delta is safer just my .04 john apple |
| T.B. |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2292.html Posted At 18:10:45 04/06/2001 I've dealt with Jerry and hes always been very truthful about the animals and has always be easy to speak with and available to answer questions when needed. I do and will continue to recommend him and his animals..A++++++++ guy to do business with. |
| jerry tubbs |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2294.html Posted At 18:20:50 04/06/2001 ty john..... it is not illegal some of the stations decline animals though....... but my station doesnt i guess because of the business i run threw them i dont know and dont care ....delta has its flaws to .im 4.5 hrs one way from an airport... and ive not of problems to arise from them... on several occasions from friends that i trade and sell too..... ive only hads 3 probs shipping with ups in aboout 2500 shipments .id say thats pretty good odds wouldnt you agree?? thanks jerry www.jtsreps.com |
| john a |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2296.html Posted At 19:43:11 04/06/2001 jerry yes i agree some stations do decline animals but very few do,i've never had a problem with ups in over 1000 or so shipments over the years good luck too i guess or i know the right people whatever i've heard a lot of people have had problems with ups and fed ex, i've also heard the same about the airlines but fewer stories detroit metro is a short distance from home so driving is no problem just lucky i guess j apple |
| Jordan Russell |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2297.html Posted At 19:52:05 04/06/2001 Quick note, USPS IS illegal to ship snakes through. UPS, Airborne Express, Fed Ex & the like are not illegal to ship snakes through yet they are not certified to ship live animals so you are not supposed to ship animals through them. The only 100% legal way to ship snakes is via airlines. |
| jerry tubbs |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2307.html Posted At 23:18:13 04/06/2001 ummmm.... jordan fed ex and airborne express WILL ship animals with live arrival gaurantee .ups will not .usps will ship reptiles but not snakes ..... but as i said fed ex and airborne will ship and will gaurantee live arrival .so whoever is telling ya that doesnt read there shipping book very well... i used to ship airborne and fed ex but had to many problems .so i stopped ...... and every doa they reimbursted me on ...now the same with other carriers they will and can decline your package but they do ship animals and snakes .so in conclusion airlines are not the only 100% legal way to ship snakes.... thanks jerry www.jtsreps.com |
| David L. Hinojosa |
UPS Shipping policy on reptiles
2308.html Posted At 23:34:50 04/06/2001 Hello everyone. My name is David L. Hinojosa. I work for UPS also. I am a small sorter in the Indianapolis,Indiana 81st street Twilight Hub. I have also done business with Jerry Tubbs. I have sold him a ball python. I can't speak for all of his dealings or past customers, but I know that he did send me an email asking if I would give him a reference. I said that I would , but after coming here and seeing his name about ......well, ALOT, I decided that he's doing just fine without my 2 cents of reference. Anyway, my reason for even getting into this is the UPS shipping policy. It is not against the law or , "ILLEGAL" to ship the snakes and stuff. But, they do not have special handling requirements for the animals. Which means , that they will get kicked around and thrown just like every other package in that damn HUB. I know first hand. I have seen unloaders throw boxes against walls and under trailer flaps. I have seen unloaders use customers' packages as step stools to get out of loads when break time hits. So , if anyone truly cares about their animals and their safe transport. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, if you're gonna us UPS, use styrofoam insulated boxes for additional strength and support. Who cares if it's winter or not, they should have the strongest and sturdiest boxes available for shipment. I am not sure if John Apple , who posted previously and says he works for UPS, is aware of the dealings and events that occur in the HUB or not. But, I am. I don't doubt his statements or claims. He probably does get some advantages to having his position, but I am just cautioning all to use sturdy safe boxes. I questioned 2 full-time supervisors and HUB manager, Tom Coleman. They all said , "we don't ship snakes". So , what that means is that if you are shipping them via UPS , you aren't advertising the contents of the package. Or using stickers that state, "CAUTION!!!! LIVE HARMLESS REPTILES" . Either way, I have first hand experience and knowledge of UPS treatment of packages that are not deemed as fragile packages. Trust me folks, just like you would trust the guy who works at Wendy's and says that, " the chili has chopped up old hamburger meat in it". That would be my younger brother. LOL. Sincerely, David L. Hinojosa. P.S. For more info on UPS shipping policies or experiences, just drop me an email. I myself use Airborne Express and they are aware that I ship reptiles. |
| Kelli Hammack |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2310.html Posted At 00:17:49 04/07/2001 Jerry- I think you are the one who needs to do some research on shipping live reptiles. Airborne Express DOES NOT accept snakes OR lizards, so they most definitely would not guarantee live arrival of said animals. Here is text taken directly from Airborne Expresses website: ********7. Shipments of tortoise, frogs, non-venomous insects, live fish, and crustaceans only under the following conditions: a. Such shipments must be boxed or crated so as to prevent escape, insure safe transportation with ordinary care in handling, and assure protection to any person handling the shipment. b. Compliance with all laws, ordinances or government rules and regulations governing the transportation of live creatures. c. Airborne Express assumes no liability for the conduct or act of the animals to themselves or to each other, such as biting, kicking, goring or smothering. d. Sender must provide a letter absolving Airborne Express of all liability for loss, damage, or delay of such shipments.******** If you will read the last section carefully you can plainly see that Airborne Express DOES NOT guarantee live arrival as you seem to believe. Here is the link to the page in question...http://www2.airborne.com/using/conditions/usa_detail.asp?item=1 As for Federal Express FORBIDS the shipment of any live animals, including reptiles so naturally they do not guarantee live arrival! Read the following taken directly from the Fed Ex website: ************The following items are prohibited and will not be acceptable for shipment by FedEx SameDay service: Firearms Fireworks Alcoholic beverages Tobacco products Perishables Meat, fish and poultry Plants and plant materials Dangerous goods or hazardous materials (except dry ice*) Money (coins [except collectible], cash, currency, paper money and negotiable instruments equivalent to cash, such as endorsed stocks, bonds and cash letters) Live animals, including birds, reptiles and fish. But, edible seafood such as live lobsters, crabs, or other types of live fish/shellfish for human consumption are not prohibited********* Again, here is the link if you wish to check it out yourself..http://www.fedex.com/us/services/termsandconditions/restrictions.html UPS DOES accept live reptile shipments depending on the regional manger. Here in Fort Worth, Tx where I live I am unable to ship reptiles via UPS because the regional UPS manager prohibits it. Even in areas where UPS allows shipment of live reptiles they most definitely DO NOT guarantee live arrival. This is what it says in the "Terms and Conditions" section on their website: *******(h) UPS does not provide a protective service for the transportation of perishable commodities or of commodities requiring protection from heat or cold. Such commodities will be accepted for transportation solely at the shipper's risk for damage occasioned by exposure to heat or cold. Here is the link to that page...http://www.ups.com/using/services/details/terms.html In conclusion, Air Freight (not necessarily Delta) is the only carrier that allows shipment of live snakes and guarantees their live arrival. The United States Postal Service accepts live harmless lizards shipments but they DO NOT guarantee live arrival. They only guarantee delivery. Sorry for the long post but I am so tired of these other breeders/dealers who are willing to break rules and even the law to make a sale. I know how frustrating it is to have to go to the airport to pick up/ship animals, I understand that sales will be lost when breeders refuse to ship legally, I have lost many many sales because I will not budge on this issue. I am of the opinion that herpers should follow the laws/rules /regulations of the shipping companies we use. Those of us who do not only succeed in making a few extra bucks and giving the rest of us a bad name when they get busted. Thanks for reading this. Peace- Kelli Hammack HISS |
| jerry tubbs |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2311.html Posted At 00:45:04 04/07/2001 hate to bust your bubble lady but as i said ive shipped airborne and fed ex and have had doa and have been reimbursted for ea and everyone threw thewm....also i live in ky and i understand those rules/regulations you posted but how did i ship out boxes that was labeled live harmles snakes/reptiles and fed ex and airborne shipped them ... like i said i know what ive done and any doa are/was reimbursted to me ....so yes THERE ARE OTHER carriers that will gaurantee live arrival . as far as rules being broken how the heck can ya break rules if ya tell them (fed ex , airborne) what your shipping and they accept it .......and they ARE NOT laws so whos breaking them ??? they only thing we agree on is usps will ship lizards gators or crocodiles up to 30 " and wont ship snakes ...... but ups says (at least the lexington ky terminal) they will not ship snakes but will ship fish cold blooded animals except for snakes whether hots or not so there we go again it gets based on each terminals supervisor as if they will or wont thanks jerry www.jtsreps.com |
| David L. Hinojosa |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2313.html Posted At 00:54:24 04/07/2001 Hello Kelli Hammack. Man......I gotta commend you on your extensive research and resources. You pretty much laid it all out there. But, I am curious about one thing. I ship geckos out via Airborne Express . I have told them on all shipments what the contents of my shipments were. I even wrote ,"LIVE LIZARDS" on the airbill for description. They said there was no problem with that. I put these decals on the sides of the box advertising my business and had a couple of people from the proccesing warehouse call me. They asked if I was the guy that shipped out the lizards all the time??? I immediately thought , " Uh oh, they're gonna put a stop to this." But, all they wanted was a few geckos for their kids. So I am wondering if maybe they vary from state to state and region to region, just like UPS does???? I am sure your facts are accurate, and just wanted to know if I should stop sending my geckos via Airborne Express, or keep rolling with the flow??? I assure that all my animals are shipped in the safest packaging that I can provide. I just wanna know if you think I am still hurting the reptile community in the long run? Cause as far as I know, according to the Airborne Express counter near the Indianpolis International Airport, I am perfectly okay to ship Live Lizards. Thank you in advance for any input or comments that you can offer me. Sincerely, David L. Hinojosa P.S. She is right about the post office . I had a jungle carpet python come to my house from Wonderland Exotics and the box was clearly marked. LIVE HARMLESS REPTILES. Right on the outside of the box. So , they apparently have no problem with it. |
| Kelli Hammack |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2316.html Posted At 02:26:46 04/07/2001 Obviously some people working for Airborne have no idea about their own company policies! It is clearly stated on their website and in their literature that they do not accept snakes or lizards period. My husband and I ship out hundreds of leopard geckos every year and when I heard that some other breeders were using Airborne I figured I would call and possibly set up an account. Well, when I told them what it was we would be shipping (lizards) I was told that they do not accept them. And this was not the local Airborne Express, this was a national number. This is why most of the breeders who use Airborne label their boxes "Live Harmless Turtles" or "Live Harmless Frogs".. etc. David, by all means if you believe it is okay to ship Airborne Express and you have your boxes clearly marked and you are willing to accept liabilty then go for it. It is simply MY OPINION that we in the reptile community should ship legally and safely. I KNOW most of us have broken the rules when it comes to shipping and I AGREE that some of the regulations these shipping companies have regarding shipment of reptiles are a bit ridiculous. Some of us simply choose to follow these rules and be on the straight and narrow. Mr. Tubbs, don't worry, you are not bursting my bubble. HISS is a licensed importer/exporter. We are also members of NRAAC, AZA and many national and local herp societies. My husband founded the North Texas Herp Society and is a member of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Nongame Regulatory Advisory Committee. He has also worked in the pet trade and for two of the major zoos in the country for the past two decades. Between the two of us, we know the rules and regulations when it comes to shipping animals. I believe you stated in your response to the original post that you had "started selling snakes this year" so maybe you are just uneducated. Obviously you have very good self promotion skills and you must be selling some high quality animals to have this many positive comments. I just have a problem with this shipping subject, apparantly most people don't care. Good luck to you and your family. Peace- Kelli Hammack HISS |
| john a |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2320.html Posted At 06:40:15 04/07/2001 wow david i never said i work for ups i said the company i work for uses them, everybody uses who they have had the safest record with and i'm sure not every carrier is totally careful with our live cargo but we all still ship and use who we feel safest with apple |
| jerry tubbs |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2321.html Posted At 08:54:50 04/07/2001 this is not my first year selling snakes ..i meant that since i had started for this new year......not that it was my first year....but i wanted to say thanks to everyone that has bought from me over the past few years and this year......thanks jerry www.jtsreps.com |
| Jason...Classic Dum's |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2423.html Posted At 08:05:13 04/09/2001 what david said about UPS is very accurate I used to work for them in the mornings loading the delivery trucks and yes packages get thrown stepped on kicked and just about anything else you can imagine, their was companies that during the x-mas seasons would use every shipper in the buisnsess to run surveys to see who was the most destractive and i think two years in a row we were they would send packages with sencers to see how much it got thrown around, the only thing I can think of that dave forgot is about how people will take little 5 or 10 pds packages and pack 70-80 pounders on top of them in the feeder(full size rigs) trucks, and also to Kelli yes airborne does alow reptiles that is who i use and eveery time I ship with them I write in big huge black marker on every side of the box "LIVE SNAKES" just my 2 cents, Jason |
| Jordan Russell |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2430.html Posted At 10:13:34 04/09/2001 Hi Folks, Kelli was reading this straight from the Airborne Express's policy. Just because their employees don't know the rules and let you ship anyways doesn't mean your'e right and she's wrong. Just thought I would remind you of that. |
| Ciro Spina |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
2432.html Posted At 11:14:49 04/09/2001 If you go to the airborne site, I believe it says : Shipments not acceptable: 1-8 (omitted) 9. Live birds, mammals, snakes, lizards, bees, or other animals except for those which may be shipped subject to paragraph C of this rule. <--do you see the exception? Paragraph C states "Shipments acceptable under special conditions" C. SHIPMENTS ACCEPTABLE UNDER SPECIAL CONDITIONS The following shipments will be accepted for transportation only when advance arrangements have been made with Airborne Express: 1-3 (omitted) 4. Shipments requiring special attention, protection or care enroute Can't reptiles be shipped under this exception and not just under exception 7 (the frogs and tortoises one)? Also, I hear so much about the airlines and this and that. Do some of you read the newspaper or watch the news? Did you see how they treated dogs last year?? Most people are less fond of reptiles than dogs. I could only imagine what they do when they see a box labeled reptiles. Give me a break. If a carrier lets you ship something and they know what you are shipping and you have a good repore with them and you trust them with your animals, then continue using them, don't give an F what anyone else says... |
| Joey Smith |
Re: Jerry Tubbs
7450.html Posted At 02:33:02 08/15/2001 I just want to say that Jerry told me that he wouldn't send me the snakes he had owed me for three months unless i posted something good about him here. That's all I have to say. |