| Author | Subject: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy |
| Kim Houser | Posted At 20:17:04 04/13/2001
I recently made a deal with Jerry. I sent him a pink columbian and a coastal carpet. He was going to send me a hogg island boa. There was a shipping mix-up with UPS. I shipped my snakes on a Friday for Saturday delivery and they did not arrive at Jerry's until Monday. He said that they arrived with respiratory infections. I sent him a money order to cover the cost of a vet visit and antibiotics. I received the hogg island boa from Jerry yesterday. My husband works with a reptile vet and the snake was shipped directly to the clinic. We opened the box in front of our vet. The snake came out of the box acting strange. It was sticking his head straight up in the air and it was tilting to the right. We let the snake warm up while at the clinic for over an hour and it was still acting strangely. We also found three mites on the snake's chin before we even took the snake home. I notified Jerry within one hour of the snake's arrival about the above concerns. I will mention that the box that the snake came in was very tattered and was being held together with a piece of electicians tape. There was some cut up newspaper in the box and a heat pack. However, the box was not insulated at all and the snake was very cold. When I got home from work last night, I flipped the snake over on its back to look for more mites. The snake just laid on its back and didn't move. I have emailed Jerry about this and he stated to me that the snake was not sick when it left him and it did not have mites. I am supposed to believe that this snake developed weird symptoms AND mites during the shipping process. He stated to me that this condition must have developed in my care. Although I paid his vet bill for the respiratory infections of the snakes he received from me (which were perfectly healthy when they left my home), he has made no offer to make this right other than to ship each other's snakes back. I told him that I didn't think that this was a good idea right now because the snakes were sick. Today I received an email from a fellow herper and he told me that Jerry was on a chat saying that his hogg islands were showing signs of IBD. Three days later, these hoggs were on sale, and I guess that I got one. The reason that I believe this fellow herper is that he did not know what kind of snake I received from Jerry, he was just telling me about the hoggs in case that is what I received. I could lose my whole collection because of this snake. Thank God I did not put this snake in with my collection, but upstairs in another room. This whole deal has been bad from the start. I had tried to resolve this with Jerry and we agreed to wait until next week to see how the snake is doing. But then today I get information that he knew these hoggs were exhibiting signs of IBD and sent it to me anyway. I am sickened by this whole mess. I have offered to Jerry to have my vet verify the condition of this snake in writing. I have offered to provide references to him from others that have purchased snakes from me in the past. He has declined. |
| jerry tubbs |
Re: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy
2580.html Posted At 23:52:47 04/13/2001 ok here we go in laymans terms who it is that your refering to that i said my snkes had ibd is a liar plain and simple i told them that a friend of mine had hoggs that had ibd (supposedely) but never mentioned that mine had it because they dont ...there is a well known person that i will not mention his name unless he tells me it is ok that was down here at my house and seen all the hoggs that i had and knows none of them was ever showing signs of ibd.... asa matter of fact he has2 of them now and he has some pricey animals now do you really think someone would take a sick snake into to there possesion with high end animals..... well for those of you that have to think the answer is NO .....YESistated the snake was not sick or did it have mites when it left my place .as i went over it very well and i know that it did not show these symptons or nor did it have mites .....so you may belieave what ya want i just know that it didnt have it in my possesion..... i didnt mean to imply that it happened at your place but yes it happened somewhere along the line...not in my possesion.......trading back was the first option yes because you supposedly have a bad snake now that was having no probleems at my place.....then we said we would keep the snakes to let them settle for a week or two then switch back you said fine...... then you even stated that you would ship this snake back to me and wait untill i got some hoggs in about a month or so from now..and now you do this i belieave it should be seller beware instead of buyer .....and this fellow herper which i know who it is but wont mention his name either if they remember correctly we was talking bout a friends snake NOT MINE....as far as them saying i knew these snakes had ibd they are not telling the truth.....and if so ill mention the persons email or name (if given permission) in a follow up post that seen each and everyone of these hoggs.....i didnt need to see your vets papers or refrences because i thought we had the deal worked out but i guess not so in closing i know and im telling you the snake had no mites and didnt have any problems when at my house ..... thanks |
| jerry tubbs |
Re: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy
2583.html Posted At 00:35:22 04/14/2001 oh andanother thing this chat happened a month or so ago ...not 3 days ago and also we wasnot even chatting bout my snakes so get the story straight ......thanks |
| steve |
Re: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy
2586.html Posted At 01:40:22 04/14/2001 Anonymous posting, text deleted. |
| jim scharphorn |
Re: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy
2590.html Posted At 06:11:01 04/14/2001 looks like to me that some one was in the wrong from get go who's idea was it to ship those snakes on a friday ? ups does not run on sat. so who ever made the deal on that part should be responcibal for that shipment and then with jerry shipping her snakes she called with in a hour to say she was not happy then jerry should take them snakes back. so how do you like your name out there now jerry it was only a matter of time you try to get to big to fast and you will allways fall cant wait to here the outcome on this deal !!! |
| Jason...Classic Dum's |
Re: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy
2591.html Posted At 08:37:31 04/14/2001 Jim I used to work for UPS they do ship on saturdays, I would never trust a saturday shipment because they very often screw it up, they only way they know its a saturday delivery is the regular black label says saturday on it and a red sticker that normally winds up on the bottom of the box or the backside, plain and simple after worker there and seeing what I saw I would NEVER ship with them, Jason |
| Kim Houser |
Re: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy
2592.html Posted At 08:44:37 04/14/2001 Just wanted to clear this part up. UPS does deliver on Saturday as long as it has a Saturday sticker and Jerry made this very clear to me. The UPS person on my end of things screwed up, did not put a sticker on the box after an extra phone call to remind her, and the snakes sat over the weekend. I paid for the shipping of these snakes, and even paid extra for Saturday shipping, which did not occur. And the snakes I sent to Jerry may have developed respiratory infections because of this, I don't know. That is why I went ahead and sent money to cover a vet bill. As far as the chat thing, I was not the one on the chat with you and the information is not first hand. It doesn't matter who told me that anyway. The point is that it was information that was given to me from a person that did not even know what kind of snake I received, and the information appeared accurate to the situation. Do I know it is true for a fact? NO! But it was enough to scare me epecially with the way the snake is acting. |
| Kim Houser |
Re: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy
2593.html Posted At 08:44:58 04/14/2001 Just wanted to clear this part up. UPS does deliver on Saturday as long as it has a Saturday sticker and Jerry made this very clear to me. The UPS person on my end of things screwed up, did not put a sticker on the box after an extra phone call to remind her, and the snakes sat over the weekend. I paid for the shipping of these snakes, and even paid extra for Saturday shipping, which did not occur. And the snakes I sent to Jerry may have developed respiratory infections because of this, I don't know. That is why I went ahead and sent money to cover a vet bill. As far as the chat thing, I was not the one on the chat with you and the information is not first hand. It doesn't matter who told me that anyway. The point is that it was information that was given to me from a person that did not even know what kind of snake I received, and the information appeared accurate to the situation. Do I know it is true for a fact? NO! But it was enough to scare me epecially with the way the snake is acting. |
| jerry tubbs |
Re: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy
2597.html Posted At 10:02:56 04/14/2001 steve to you ....belieave what ya want to belieave...i know the facts you dont about my sons my own and my familys situation....... asamatter of fact the designer balls are bb stripes granites and thing like that not snakes that everyone dream about .but thats allbesides the point to be honest woth ya and if you give your email address ill gladly explain to you how things started with me gettting back into thes nake business....but hell did all of you thuink i was consistenly gonna wait on raffles and not go back to work we ll im not .....so what does that have to do with this we hada raffle that ended in jan now its 3 months later i hate to tell ya but that money is gone from the raffle for expenses on my son .....and the money that i keep revolving now is my own from snakes deals nothing to do with the old raffle ......but like i said belieave what ya want ... jim i did offer to take the snake back and send areplacement when i had one....... but wedecided to let the snake sit awhile from the stress of shipping the next day.....im not trying to get big fast ..... i just sell the snakes that i have that i aquire...with my own money not the raffles .......andnoi havent fallen...also ups does ship on saturdays.... kim.. i understand you being worried but like i said .i wasinthe chat.and we was not talking bout my snakes.... as that person well knows..... as far as to continue to sell snakes yes i will.... as long as i can .like i said i have many refrences(verifiable) that has seen my snakes at my house and not seen my snakes untill they have bought from me .....so i have no need to worry bout what people say that have nothing to do with this deal or any of my deals .....as in this deal kim and myself ,but i figured i would just give you a response since you wanted one |
| Tom Chambers |
Re: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy
2611.html Posted At 23:38:40 04/14/2001 Jerry...one word: PUNCTUATION! Readable English might go a long way to establish credibility in what seems to be ANOTHER pi$$ing contest involving your name. Shipping a sick animal of any kind is plain wrong.....this is not the first time this has happened with you. TC |
| jim scharphorn |
Re: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy
2618.html Posted At 06:26:09 04/15/2001 what i dont understand jerry is if you are in the right here like you think you are and kim knows this then why did she post bad guy on you you talk good but something must be wrong here |
| Mike Repasch |
Re: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy
2639.html Posted At 16:36:18 04/16/2001 i have dealt with jerry on 2 occasions...first time i bought a ball from him which i paid for immediatly after winning the auction....took 3 weeks for jerry to ship the snake....to make up for the long shipping period he threw in an extra ball and baby redtail....all three arrived dead....jerry paid me back for the snake...second i purchased 2 spotted pythons from jerry which appeared to be well on arrival but only lived for approximatly 3 weeks....since they had been in my care for that long i didn't notify jerry cause i figured it would be a run around like kim is getting....me personally....i will NEVER do business with the man again and i will let all others know....BUYER BEWARE |
| Mike Repasch |
Re: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy
2663.html Posted At 16:21:55 04/17/2001 well jerry....thx for the nasty gram but you are wrong....word of mouth is killing you.....wether i post it here, herpauction, where ever i go it seems people are talking about you and it's never good.....talking with herpers across america your name is becoming well known jerry.....and your name ain't sh*t anymore....you keep doing people wrong and you can't get away with it forever.....as for me to get a life....i've dedicated it to letting people know around the herp world that jerry tubbs will put a screwing to ya.....peace out |
| john a |
Re: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy
2700.html Posted At 18:14:32 04/18/2001 it appears jerry has a faithful following both ways.. good and bad apple |
| jim scharphorn |
Re: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy
2722.html Posted At 05:32:59 04/19/2001 ya what the heck order from him you do have a 50 /50 shot |
| JERRY TUBBS |
Re: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy
2837.html Posted At 16:57:59 04/22/2001 hey mike where did i put the screws to ya ?????? first you pd 35 bucks for a baby ball shipped it took 3 weeks as you say to sed it for extreme heat reasons and i gave ya an extra ball and boa .when ya said you got them dead your money was refunde within 5 minutes do you remember ???? so where the hell did ya get screwed tell me ........ second deal in 3 weeks im sure you would have had noticed sick snakes if not your not very abservative or dont know what your doin but you know thosesnakes was very healtrhy...... so they died 3 weeks later all of a sudden well im begging to wonder on how you kept them.... and why did you put a good comment up for me cause i sure as hell know your not the type to let something go .......but like i said on the other post this is the last time ill ever respond on here so lets just sit back and watch how many negative things come out of this truth have a good day |
| Allen |
Re: Jerry Tubbs-bad guy
6160.html Posted At 14:57:49 07/21/2001 What I dont get is the only way a snake can get mites is through other snakes so if it was isolated in a box and you sent it 100 percent howdid it get mites?!! |