| Author | Subject: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses |
| Webslave | Posted At 15:46:20 06/06/2001
I've had quite a few people make the suggestion to me that I ban email addresses that are essentially anonymous. The ones targeted are HOTMAIL, YAHOO, MSN and perhaps a few others that don't come immediately to mind. My rebuttal to this suggestion has always been that there are some very valid reasons for people to have such addresses, completely unrelated to remaining anonymous. But I'll be quite honest here, it seems like a AWFUL lot of the posts on this message board are from those sorts of email accounts. So I need to make an inquiry here myself to those people using such accounts as to why they are doing so. Although I think a lot of the responses might be biased (particularly by people using such email accounts), what do you all think of the feasibility of prohibiting people from using such email accounts as their contact email address? Anyone can set up a HOTMAIL account instantly, make a post on this board and then keep it active long enough to be able to respond to an verification I may randomly make, and then be on their merry way. I don't know of any way to get around this problem. Or do you all think it is not a problem at all and should just be ignored? Thanks for your help. |
| Tony Bedell |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4169.html Posted At 16:50:57 06/06/2001 The reason I use a Yahoo acct, is because I need to have 2 different E-mail addys. my AOL is for work, and so I use Yahoo for my side project's, like reptiles. I think that if you ban the use of these Email address these boards will get really boring really quick. Tony |
| Jay A. Martin |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4172.html Posted At 17:08:28 06/06/2001 I agree with you. It's too easy for anyone to post a message on this board as well as others (like Kingsnake.com) and cheat others. I use a yahoo address because I can check it anywhere (I do computer consulting) and because I am in the middle of a move. I generally do not respond to one-name posts. That is, "Bill" or "PythonMan". Nor do I lend much credence to posts signed as such. Not to say they are invalid, just too easy to create with no tracking. It's much harder to create an aol or msn account and then dump it at will. Additionally, it provides for some tracking. I do not recommend disallowing these domains. I would suggest that people create one with a full "real" name. But if you did disallow them, it would not hinder my usage of this board. Just my .02cents Jay A. Martin |
| Shannon Hammond |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4175.html Posted At 17:28:39 06/06/2001 I can definitely see your reasoning, and I think most people with those types of accounts could still post from a different account. Most ISP's provide an email address, so I would think we could just use those. My husband uses our @home address, and I could set one up for myself if I wanted, but my Yahoo account has been convenient since we have moved three times in the last seven years, and will be moving again sometime soon. It might be an inconvenience for some, but I do think it would stop any dishonest posting. Shannon Hammond |
| T.Michael Grasha |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4176.html Posted At 17:36:24 06/06/2001 Well I have a HOTMAIL account, I got it before I had a paid e-mail service. I still use it rather than my ev1.net account. Why, because here at work I can't get to my ev1.net account because of the firewalls set up on my work system. However, I have not trouble getting into my hotmail account. It is the only account I can utilize from both work and home. Thanks Mike |
| Donnie Smith, Morti from redtailboa.net |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4178.html Posted At 17:39:59 06/06/2001 Frankly I was supprised that you were not already doing this, but I think it would open up a can of worms that you probably do not want to deal with. We are all aware of how easy it is to get Yahoo, hotmail, and the others. The question is where do you draw the line? I have several addys that I use various places and all of them are webmail. I change ISPs too often to stick to a local address. If you are going to ban Yahoo mail, would you also not have to ban @user.kingsnake.com and @redtailboa.net mail? I use the address [email protected] on this site, but I am not aware of anyway that you could gleam my real name from that. For all pratical purposes, my name is Morti, even though I sign my checks Donnie Smith. My point is, if you disallow most of this type of mail, it's going to get awfully lonely in here. I have a hard time justifying posting here as it is with all the rules (all of which I understand) but having to use an e-mail address which I almost never check would be the last rule that I would put up with. Ok... /Rant -Your Sick Uncle Morti. Redtailboa.net/org! |
| Jeff Miller |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4183.html Posted At 20:22:42 06/06/2001 I have a number of e-mail addresses, and I ultimately use my hotmail account because of it's ease of use, and the fact that I can access e-mail from anywhere, or if my main PC is down for some reason. More control is always a bad idea. The honest folks will stand behind their connections, and answer inquiries via any media provided, be it a phone number or a web-based e-mail address. If it is proven that an addy is illegitimate, then that person can be alienated or exposed for it. Jeff |
| Kathryn Hall |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4185.html Posted At 21:28:46 06/06/2001 The main reason I use yahoo is because I can check my email from anywhere. If I used my school email, I couldn't check it from work. If I used my work email, I couldn't check it from home. (Plus I don't want to clutter up that address with spam and/or non-work stuff.) Frankly, there are too many free email addresses out there that are NOT yahoo, msn, or hotmail, so banning those three domains solves NOTHING and just chases people away. I'd also hate to have to get a specific email address just for posting on a forum. Just my 2 cents. |
| MarcAntony |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4186.html Posted At 21:30:28 06/06/2001 I use the user.kingsnake.com address for my reptile dealings. My other home account is a cable isp, therefore i am unable to access it other than on my home pc. Also, this prevents any of my reptile corresondence from "gumming up" the home e-mail account which I share with my family. I don't currently sell anything on any of these sites, but i may in the future. Even though I use MarcAntony as a screen name (in honor of my male carpet python), I still close my private e-mail communications with my actual name, Bryan Rupert. I can see where this can become an issue, but the best advice to anyone who comes across this issue when looking to purchase is "Buyer Beware". In this information age, you will never be able to police these accounts 100%. |
| hardcore reptiles craig goldie |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4187.html Posted At 21:32:50 06/06/2001 simply put i stared off with free inter net and my hardcore at yahoo, no as time passes i on cable but have not even bothered to set up my five free {with the hundreds I pay for cable net} mails .simply put i [email protected] .even if I was to use another e-mail to post on this forum {I would if needed} I would still sell and buy under [email protected] .it hard to teach an old dog new tricks,beside I can figure out outlook if my life depended on it. My 2 cents worth ,wait i in canada so my 1/4 cents worth loll Keep up the great work rich Craig g |
| hardcore reptiles craig goldie |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4189.html Posted At 21:36:50 06/06/2001 wow do spell checkers ever chop it up,sorry i may not be able to spell ,but my english is not normally quite so rough please have mercy. |
| Al Rastoka |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4190.html Posted At 21:52:02 06/06/2001 what about people that don't have computers at home & either use the the one at local library or that uses a friends or that uses the "free" internet services.I have hotmail addy because I have AOL at home & can't check my mail on it at work. I don't think it matters much what e-mail adress someone has.most internet services supply you with 5-7 possible screen names, if someone wanted to they could just make up screen name, send post, wait a couple of days till it's posted then delete that name & address.You could go on & on trying to weed out the unlegitimate posts, but I think everyone takes in every bad post with a grain of salt I think good Idea would be to forward a bad post to the person or company that is in question & let them respond, I think we only hear one side of these stories because the "Bad" person doesn't even who they are being scrutinized. Al Rastoka (hotmail member lol) |
| Kirk |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4193.html Posted At 23:24:15 06/06/2001 i understand not wanting to post your e-mail when you may be saying something negative about someone. giving your e-maill adress is like giving someone your home phone # now a days.no one wants to be harassed by anoying or threatening e-mails not to mention the threat of sending a virus. on the other hand it does take away some of the validity when there is no e-mail adress attached to an article with negative comments. unfortunetly those are the problems with a board like this.i have in the past reccomended a password system. i have seen passwords "weed out" problem children on other classifieds and forums.i dont think banning certain e-mail adresses is the answer. there may be no answer.this forum can definetly be a useful tool in the purchasing of herps on the internet. i dont know if anything ive said here will help the problem.i just wanted to ad my 2 cents.......kirk |
| John Bernardi |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4203.html Posted At 05:09:52 06/07/2001 Free email addresses are very convenent for those of us that are always on the move or have to use a free or a cyber cafe for our access to the net. I use yahoo so that everytime I move I can keep all my contacts without having to rebuild address books and notifying everyone that I've changes addys again. I have to agree with Kirk who didn't follow the rules and post his full name that a password system would be a good solution. But as far as being hit with a virus or harrassing emails or calls well people can go to jail for viruses and email addys can be blocked or copied and posted here to add to the validity of the claim any respectable dealer/seller will conduct themself in a professional manner. I use this site only for seeing what is going on and have not yet posted here in any of the normal good/bad guy catagorys. I do howevery recommend it to people that are trying to find things out about people. Long story bottom line is don't ban the email addys start a password system. My 2 cents and then some. John Bernardi AKA Herps & Burps |
| John Chan |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4238.html Posted At 16:25:33 06/07/2001 The Main reason that I use my yahoo acct is that it is the only acct that I can use at both work and home. Plus, I've had it for two years or more, it is my main acct. |
| Tony Basica's Wierdsnakes |
I've had the account for years.
4259.html Posted At 21:03:55 06/07/2001 I started my hotmail accounts in college years ago and kept them everywhere I've moved. It is true anyone can set up an account and it pretty easy to find those accounts as the majority of the "good" email addy's are taken. The accounts with numbers seem to be the ones I distrust. Anyway thats why I use hotmail and always will. |
| WebSlave |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4289.html Posted At 13:52:10 06/08/2001 Well, as should be abunbantly clear to anyone reading this thread, there are a bunch of good valid reasons why I should NOT ban HOTMAIL (and the like) email accounts from posting on this forum. Actually, I had figured this all along, because I do know of personal friends of mine that use hotmail accounts, for the very same reasons posted here. But with the number of times I have had people request me to ban them, I felt I needed something like this to point to as a reason for my refusal to do so. As for the suggestions about a password system, well it sounds good on the surface, but that's only if YOU aren't the one that has to implement and maintain it. I would like to remind you all here, that I am providing this for free and the monthly charges for it come out of my pocket. I have had to upgrade the capacity twice already and with DAILY hits getting to the 13,000 to 16,000 range, I am afraid I might have to upgrade again sometime real soon. In order to implement a password system would require using a completely different type of message board system, that would have all of the tools in place to register a new poster, check for valid registrants when they want to post, and give me the capability of editing or deleting such registrants when circumstances warrant it. Someone (guess who?) would have to set this all up and then keep it running. This same someone would have to respond the the numerous requests for recovering lost passwords, or so-and-so is abusing the system. Quite frankly, I don't have the time for it. If this NEEDS to go to a registration controlled system, and/or it gets so much traffic that the amount of money that would need to come out of my pocket to keep it operational becomes substantial, well it will obviously cause me to have to rethink the *free* part of this thing. Personally I hate having to remember passwords for every Tom, Dick and Harry system I might check in on, and I certainly am not at all thrilled with having to pay even a trivial fee for some of them I do use, so I will resist this as long as it is not a choice between doing it and keeping my sanity, or abandoning it. If the traffic reaches the point where I would need to increase capacity, well, I may just choose to NOT upgrade and the system will stop accepting posts towards the end of each month. Posting capability would then resume when the new month started. (Traffic is rated by the number of gigabytes of data transferred within a month's timeframe - right now the max is 8 gigabytes) That would certainly be one of my options. So there you have it. That's my cards on the table. |
| Ernie Watts |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4321.html Posted At 03:27:41 06/09/2001 I think you already have it covered with the post your full name rule. If they don't then delete it, no questions asked and without warning. I have no problem posting my name and I stand behind what I say no matter what anyone thinks. I have that right as an American and thanks to places like this. I know we can do with out the profanity and the arguements back and forth, but if you were to meet me in person, other than proffesional I have some favorite words that have become part of my every day language that could set your ears on fire. But any way you're doing all you can. There is always a loop hole if you look for it. I would stick to your rules and delete posts with out real names. If people want to be known by their nick names they can add it to their name or post their real name in parenthesis. Only my friends use my nick name and since no one here knows me well enought o be a friend, what's the point of using it, but for those that are curious I have 5, Cowboy, Big Man, and Hippy or Wildman (due to my hair). It depends who it is as nick names usually come from your friends, only one friend calls me Moose and can get away with it. Well got to go. Thanks for the great site and keep up the good work. Ernie |
| Tony Bedell |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4328.html Posted At 10:43:18 06/09/2001 This is what I think we should do. If there is a thread about someone you are thinking about doing business with, and there are say 4 good things about this person, and 2 bad, email everyone who submitted their personal stuff on the thread. Then see who replies, with my experience 90% of all the people who replied were the ones that said something good. So you can usually make your decision off of that. It might take a few minutes to do all this, but it would benefit you in the long end. Tony |
| Brian Oakley |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4334.html Posted At 16:42:58 06/09/2001 I am not sure where you are going with this. I have a MSN account (obviously by the above email address), but I also have to pay for that service. Why would you single out anyone ESPECIALLY those who have to pay for their account. You mentioned MSN in your post (the first thread above), I cannot just make up an email account with MSN and then delete it a day later without paying MSN again. Maybe I missed something here, but all I know is MSN is a service you pay for and IF need be can be tracked as well. Just me thoughts! Brian Oakley |
| John Quinones |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
4338.html Posted At 19:41:45 06/09/2001 Hotmail accounts are for people that have something to hide or don't want to be found. I know how negative that sounds but think about it, there is no way to find out whom [email protected] really is. A legitimate reptile business with an internet account but no email address? A serious hobbyist that has money to invest in animals, buy and sell online, but cannot afford an email account through their ISP? Hotmail and others like hotmail that offer email accounts without verifying that a business is legitimate or that an individual is whom they say they are, these accounts are perfect for ripoffs to hide behind, to disappear. I think any legitimate reptile business or serious hobbyist that wants to buy, sell, and trade over the internet should have an account that can followed back to a legitimate business or individual. I personally do not make payments via PayPal to a business or individual using hotmail, I don't send money orders, US Postal or otherwise, to businesses or individuals using hotmail either. If I placed a posting seeking referrals and the positive responses were only from hotmail, I wouldn't believe them. I feel so strongly about avoiding individuals using hotmail that I have not responded to ads for animals that I really needed just because the seller is hiding behind a hotmail account. |
| Vijay |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
9387.html Posted At 04:46:32 09/26/2001 I want a tool to get hotmail passwords |
| Sabit |
Re: Request for input about HOTMAIL email addresses
9492.html Posted At 22:40:34 09/28/2001 how can i remove or delete my othre e-mail account(pasport) from the hotmail. |