| Author | Subject: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD* |
| Tony Basica | Posted At 11:42:13 06/29/2001
Well I've tried for over a year now giving him every benefit of the doubt but I am done with hoping someday he will come through with his end of the deal. I traded him a proven adult male Het. Albino Red-tail, a proven red-tail boa female, and one of the sweetest female orange eyed retics I've ever had that was promised to be sold back to me had he ever decided to get rid of her. I was suppose to get a large group of adult female ball pythons, first story was his store got broken into and they stole all the ball pythons, no problem he was going to send me other animals, agreed since I had already sent him my snakes. Time began to pass and he changed animals had different ones then had a pair of newborn het. albino balls he got in on trade and he was going to meet up with me at the Daytona show last august. I spent most of the day pagin Joey and feeling like an idiot everytime I went up to the announcers table, no response, after I got home he emailed a few days later that something came up and he was unable to make it. Then the trade was changed again and again etc. etc. months of stories then he got out of the business, then back in and most recently he was looking to deal with Burmese pythons. I have spoken with people that have dealt with Mr. Wright personally and no one has just positive things to say about him, there is always something negative and more often than not very negative. I have close to 200 emails back and forth with him over this deal as well as emails from MANY people he has screwed over and I have decided to get as many people that have had problems with him together and I will send all the emails printed out and cataloged to the FBI's internet fraud department. About 2 months ago he was again promising to get me something to make the deal right, last I heard he was getting animals in that I agreed would take care of our business together, since then he has changed his email again but I still have his phone numbers, his folks and ex-girlfriends phone numbers as well as adresses not to mention everytime he changes addy's he keeps selling animals so its very easy to keep track of him. If you have had any dealings with him email all the information you can along with $$ amounts so we can bring him to the attention of the proper authorities. BTW since I'm sure you'll be reading this Joey yes I am serious and yes this is the final straw. Thank you everyone for your time. Tony Basica AKA Tony Basica's Weirdsnakes |
| Ian Dungan |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
5011.html Posted At 11:58:48 06/29/2001 what is his physical address? |
| Tony Basica |
Sorry
5024.html Posted At 18:29:52 06/29/2001 He is located in Lexington Kentucy, I will not post his addy in a public domain but will email information to parties that may need to be involved. Again Thank you for your time. Tony Basica |
| JERRY TRESSER |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
5025.html Posted At 18:59:42 06/29/2001 TONY, I realize that hindsight is 20/20, but I had been taught many years ago that a trade is a sale until it is a trade! In other words,had I shipped him, I would have enclosed an invoice for the actual value of the snakes. This invoice would have amounted to the actual price had he purchased it. That would be the amount that I would sue him for. On the other hand, had he met his end of the bargain and sent you what you were supposed to receive then the sale would be a final trade. The terms of a sale are much more controlled than a trade. As you see, he did not send you anything, and his excuse could be that your trade was not up to par, etc. etc. He could come up with a 100 reasons as to why he did not ship you in a trade. But a sale is another story. You have greater clout in demonstrating that he owes you MONEY, instead of a trade value. Hope this info helps. |
| JOEY |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
5042.html Posted At 23:27:06 06/30/2001 First of all this matter is from over a year ago, so really man give it a rest, i closed these deal out with tony a long time ago by sending him some monitors and other stuff, really i don't remeber much about it since it was a deal made in 1999 but i did have some problems back then with some snakes getting stolen and was unable to get the balls to him ect. ect. ect. but i did my best to get it made up to him, and the other people who was involved in the mess, it's a long story and not somthing i need to go into here but YES last spring i did have some problems with some sick snakes and other stuff and have been threw a divorce but i did my best to get every thing straight with al my costumers INCLUDING TONY.. bottom line is he is money hungry, The snake he sent me were not as nice as he lets on, in fact the baos both died with in a month from an internal parasite problem, but i didn't cry about it for a year.. TONY you got somthing in trade, it may not of been waht you wanted originally but let it alone, enough is enough, i've moved on and YES i am trying to get back into the buisness again and trying to rebuild my name, I never set out to screw anyone i did make a few bad buisness decisions and had a string of bad luck but let me get along with my life, ALL OF US are human and we all make mistakes. if i had stole somthing from you or commited fraud i would understand this kindf of action but just because you wasn't satified with a deal dosn't mean you need to act like this.. If anyone want to ask me any question about this matter i'll be glade to talk about it. NO I NEVER TRIED TO HIDE FROM ANYONE i did have to change my email account but that was because i got divored and the old email was my wifes account.. adn i have had plenty og dealing with people who DO LIKE me and they way i do buisness, since you have been asking around, |
| Webmaster |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
5043.html Posted At 00:06:00 07/01/2001 Joey - It is only because you are responding to a complaint about you that I am extending you the courtesy of a warning here. Please put your FULL NAME and a VALID EMAIL address in a new message in this thread. That's the rules here. Thanks. |
| Joey Wright |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
5045.html Posted At 01:21:11 07/01/2001 sorry about that i thought i had typed my adress in, if anyone wants to reach me they can email me [email protected] |
| Tony Basica |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
5048.html Posted At 10:13:01 07/01/2001 Would everyone like me to post the Wonderful Mr. Wrights emails where and online conversations where he agreed to send more animals. Gee so the boas died huh, how do you know that I didn't even ship directly to you, you had me ship them to someone else that you had already traded them to!!!! I can't believe you have posted on here that I am just money hungry, lets see you sent me an "adult" pair of savanna monitors that were a FAR cry from adults oh boy yep I got my trade value back big time. Joey plain and simply you are a cheat, a liar and now you are just being an a**. I will be happy to post the numerous emails from all the other people you've screwed over as well as the over 200 emails from you promising to make things right!!!!! Our last conversation you were going to get me another adult female boa and I agreed that would be fine just to end this, I still haven't seen anywhere near what I was suppose to get and you know that. Don't even try to defend yourself by saying I'm money hungry, BTW that reminds me speaking of money I never got that part of the deal with the savanna's yea the money you were suppose to send with them, big surprise huh. |
| Tony Basica |
Heres a wonderful little email from you Joey
5049.html Posted At 10:21:52 07/01/2001 I particularly like the line where you say "you didn't have any plans to rip me off".......I guess it just sort of happened!!! Yep hes a great guy and me I suppose I'm just money hungry huh. ---------------------------------------------------- Reply Reply All Forward Delete Previous Next Close i did really own my own store for a short time, but do to a break in i lost my ass on the store, and my reptile buisness was shot all to hell, i promise i never had any plains of riping you of, i just my self in a hole owing more people then i could pay off at once, it's been crazy, send me your address again and a total, i can't promise you the full amount at once, but if you will except payments, sorry for all the trouble man, (Move to Selected Folder)InboxSent MessagesDraftsTrash CanJanets Folderold customerstrades/saleswebsite |
| Brian Conley |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
5061.html Posted At 13:48:28 07/01/2001 Unbelievable!! Tony maybe the problem is with us. For some strange reason herpers here in FL believe that when you agree to a trade you're supposed to send what you agreed to send. Apparently, people like Joey in Kentucky and Dan in CA think it's ok to just send whatever they want to get rid of that week or NOTHING at all, and then call us names because we don't like it! Joey, I seriously hope you don't think a pair of savannahs of ANY size would equal what Tony has listed above, PAA_LEASE. If you want to rebuild your business you need to fix this first. Brian |
| Ian Dungan |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
5066.html Posted At 16:06:15 07/01/2001 I have had 2-3 good deals (trades) go through with joey and i have no complaints.he shipped out for me right on time every time.Just my .02 cents. |
| Tony Basica |
Derek...
5073.html Posted At 18:38:12 07/01/2001 Derek huh, your email addy is awfully familiar you are the person that first put the trade deal together leading me to believe I was dealing with you until I found out from Joey that the animals were actually coming from him. And I have kept you abreast of trying to get what I needed from Joey Wright, oddly enough you have said you no longer deal with Joey because of the problems he has had. Hmmmm so he is having marital problems I admit that is a shame but blaming problems on his business with his social life thats just pathetic. If you want to be in business than be in business, just don't decide oh I'm having problems at home sorry but I'm not giving you any money. Thanks for the response Derek, I guess Joey very quickly got on-line and emailed all his buddies to back him up, good job Joey but I will be sure to post emails from the people you have screwed over for all the positive posts!!!! Tony |
| JOEY |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
5077.html Posted At 21:36:55 07/01/2001 Well again here we go does anyone besides me see how Childish Tony likes to act? IN your own words:::: Thanks for the response Derek, I guess Joey very quickly got on-line and emailed all his buddies to back him up, good job Joey but I will be sure to post emails from the people you have screwed over for all the positive posts!!!! Tony :::::: OK so what are we 3 years old, WHO DIED and made you the tattle teller of the internet, Do anyone here see that is not and issue of a deal gone bad but Tony simply trying to ruin my name, YOU have made your point clear and everybody has read it, Now you say every time Somebody post a positive comment for me that you will post a bad?? Is this really a professional way to carry out business??? anyone with common sense can see your being childish, IF a deal goes bad you post it and let people to know we all have that right and responsibility to one another, When you feel you have been took you can file a civil lawsuit and try to regain your losses, or if needed file fraud charges with the proper authorities, but this childish name calling and threats are unethical and not the proper way to carry out business. Since the truth keeps getting mangled and so many people are reading this post he again if a brief run down of what went on so every one can judge for them selves other then hearing only one side.... The following is wrote to the best of my knowledge, remember this deal took place in 1999 so some of the details are sketchy to my memory and i may be wrong on some of the dates but the basic are all correct. The original trade was he was sending me 1.1 het for albino boas (without papers) and a 5 foot normal retic for a small group of female ball python adult LTC breeders. about $400-$500 value on both sides. I had him ship one of the boas and the retic directly to me and the other boa to a customer in OH, The retic was very clean and tame, definitely a good snake, But the boas were not what i was told they would be, I was told the boas were both Proven hets, but they were way to small to been proven and i had doubts of them being hets, The pattern and coloration was way to dark to be part of the strain producing albinos in the country at the time. The other boa i had sent to OH had the same problems, and wouldn't eat, He eventually died with in a month, And since i had did the trade to the guy i had to refund him his money. This guy was a long time customer and i had no reason to believe he was lying also he sent me pics and with the outcome of the boa i had received myself i truly believed him. The boa i had was eventually sold for retail price as a normal possible het due to the concerns of him not being a het. The retic was put up for sale on the herp auction and sold for $150. The balls that i was to trade Tony were stolen during a break in. I quickly notified Tony of this and offered solutions to work this out, instead of returning the animals he preferred for me to locate something else to replace them, I explained to him that do to my lost it may take some time, he was fine with this. I started at that time by sending him some ball pythons and other stuff , i also offered to send cash, but as this paying him off went on Tony began to up the value of the animals he sent me. The hets went from $150 each to $500 each and the retic went up to $350, this is were the trouble began, i was aggravated that he was wanting more for the snakes then originally stated. He would email me offers like "send me 3 more balls and were even" ect ect ect.. EVERY time i thought we were even he would email me with threats of pressing charges, THE final shipment i made to him was last June when i sent him 1.1 adult Savannah monitors, we BOTH agreed at this time that this had gone on long enough and this would make us even, BUT a month after i shipped them to him i started getting email again with him wanting more, it was at this time i realized he was seeing how much he could get out of me. shortly after this my aol was shut down and i lost that email address, so we lost contact for a while. This past winter he tracked me down threw an add i had posted under my new email address, he again started with the threats and demanding more animals, i told him we had settled this and if he wasn't satisfied with the savannas he should of agreed to except them as making us even. By this time i was sick of this mess that had been going on for over a year. I told him if i came up with something I'd let him know. That was the last i had heard from him until this post. As you can see this is NOT fraud as he keeps stating i never set out to rip him off, I couldn't help the balls were stolen and i DID make effort to repay him, Tony you can call the feeds if you want but this is not Fraud it's a civil matter and if you want to call Waptner at Animal Court then go ahead. But i consider this issues settled. You received several animals from me in trade, it may of not been the original deal but were not talking high value animals here, The boas were not high quality hets, they didn't have papers, The retic was a simple normal retic not worth nearly what you say, You excepted what i sent you and I'm sure you resold it, Also during this transaction i sent you a 12' female Yellow head retic for FREE because it had mouth rot, I've learned you healed this animal and later sold it. the trade may not have turned out like it should of but all these childish acts and telling people i committed fraud is senseless. As anyone can see from this i did make every effort to make it right, but Tony is money hungry, Why else would he be harping on this after this much time. And for the RECORD i was NOT blaming my business problems on my divorce, The problems i had came from having to refund people money i lost from snakes that were stolen during the brake in and replace snakes from a group i had die on me from a disease that was introduced to my colony from and outside source, The divorce only made if financially harder for me to get every body repaid right away, but i did manage to get things taken care of. IF anyone else wants to know more email me . Thanks |
| Webmaster |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
5083.html Posted At 00:41:03 07/02/2001 This thread is sure going to be hard to follow when I delete all of those messages without full and complete names. I hope you all don't think I am joking about this. |
| Tony Bedell |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
5085.html Posted At 01:44:54 07/02/2001 I know Tony is a straight shooter. He has posted in here a million times and his reputation is very good. I am sorry but I really believe Tony on this. I just don't see how 2 monitors, and a sick snake equal to what Tony has lost in this. I know that mouth rot is a pain to heal, and if Tony made any money off of it I would be amazed. So like I said, I think Tony is in the right on this. |
| JOEY WRIGHT |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
5086.html Posted At 02:19:34 07/02/2001 sorry i didn't post my full name earlier but i would like to say that the long post above was from me, i'm adding my full name and address here to keep it from being deleted, i'd like to ask other to do the same so everyone will get a chance to see all post, and i'd like to address Tony Bendall, i'm glade to see someone can comment without calling names are acting like an idiot, even though you don't agree with me, you have the right to your opinion and i'm glade you could express it in a mature way, my only comment was i didn't only give him the retic and monitors there were other animals given as well, and i'd lke to remind everyone that one of the boas did die, the value may or may not been equal it all depends on how you look at it, and there is a lot to take in consideration, but my point was i felt Tony did not handle the matter very in mature way, if the deal was fair or not he still didn't have the right to talk trash all over the net about me for as long as he has, i can respect the fact he dosn't like me and would'nt do buisness with me again but thats between me and him, if he wants to tell people not to do buisness with me fine, we all know how you feal so leave it alone it's over and done with, get on with your life, i don't like you either and thhink your a bad buisness person but agian thats my opinion and you don't see me telling everyone how evil you are ect. ect. finally i also like to thank the people who have posted positive comments, just a bit of proof that i have friends in the buisness and still remain well respected by people out there, Thanks all... |
| Tony Basica |
Just so everyone knows...
5244.html Posted At 14:23:21 07/04/2001 #1 According to you Joey, you sent me some ball pythons...STRAIGHT OUT LIE, I NEVER RECEIVED ANY SNAKE FROM YOU. #2 You say I sent you a pair of proven hets...I sent you a male Het. and a sub-adult female I have the emails stating that to you. #3 What 12' Yellowhead retic, I purchased a yellowhead retic from a person here locally in florida BUT NEVER EVER got anything from you other than a pair of savanna's and constant promises.... #4 As for me not handling this in a mature manner, I'm not the one that SCREWED YOU OVER, as for any animals passing away you never said a word to me about it or I would have done whatever was needed at the time. JOEY you may want to think really hard about what you really sent me, you seem to have me mixed up with someone else you had a deal with. And as far as that crap you've had to say about my business ethics I have nothing to say, MY reputation speaks for itself as does yours. Be really careful about what you post and you may seriously want to think before you decide to respond with you're version of what happened. From you long post all I can say is you seriously have me mixed up with someone else. We never even discussed a retic, you did discuss bringin a pair of hypo anacondas to Daytona but nothing about a Retic EVER. At this point I'm done with this, since you have decided to just basically and blatently LIE about the deal I will leave it at that. Good luck to anyone that decides to do business with Joey, I just hope he has changed at least someone. Tony Basica |
| JOEY WRIGHT |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
5331.html Posted At 22:36:06 07/05/2001 OK first i'd like to say there were more people with positive post here but because they didn't leave there full name they were deleted,in my opinion is a stupid rule, as long as you leave you first name and email you should be fine, since most people don't want there full names on the internet but the rule is the rule so if you did post and it was deleted thats why, For a responce to Tony #1 i'll check my records and see if i can find anything on the balls, but i'm sure i did send some balls, i'm thinking it was 2 or 3 odd pattern adults, like i said it's been awhile so i'll have to check, #2 OK you were right it was 1 sub-subadult HET (no papers) and 1 sub adult normal ---- only proving my point that the snakes were not as valuable as you stated but what blows my mind, if anyone follows your posts aboove you said ::: " i sent you a male Het and a sub-adult female" but in your first post you state and i quote :: " i traded him a proven adult male het Albino red-tail, a proven redtail boa female, """ so which is it a proven adult or a sub-adult???? cause i know what i got was 2 boas that were not proven and probally not hets.. so before you keep going at lest get your "story" STRAIGHT or is it possible you were trying to make the snakes you sent look better, in hopes to gain more money if you took me to court?? and you hoped i would'nt remeber what happined and you would get by with it? well opss the truth came out, at lest people now know the retails were not high value adults HETS like you originally stated and that i was right when i said they were to small to breed, well if i was right about that, what else could i be right about???? Maby tonys little story has more holes in it then people thought???? #3 I would like to tell EVERY body i did in fact send the retic, and in fact i have a witness who hopefully will post soon, that was with me when we shipped the retic out, this perosn knows for a FACT that it was tony i sent it to because i had to have help packing the crate the retic was in because of it's size, and he remebers the name of the person i sent it to... in fact i think i still have the delta dash paper work from when i shipped it on file, Also i know of at lest 1 person tony offered to sell the snake to that he told he got the snake from me, maby i should get this person to post as well... #4 your right tony your not the one who screwed me over, i got a nice retic out of the deal, a small boa that i was able to sale for a few dollars, and a dead het that i had to replace, on the other hand i didn't screw you over either, you got some nice aniamls, and i'm sure made your money back, as fare as me not telling you about the boa, I ca'nt remember if i did or not, but because you didn't ship it to me personally i didn't feel you were responciable for it, i wouldn't replace a snake if i sold it and sombody has passed it on to someone else then it died, i feal personally it's the sellers responcibility to make sure there animals are healthy and eating before sold, i didn't do that so i took the fall... I'm glade you finally decided to leave this matter alone, i'm trully sorry that it had to come to this after so much time, i would like to make a statment to everyone, i'm in NO way saying tony dosn't have good snakes, the retic he sent me was very healthy, and from what i have heard from others he does produce some really nice ball pythons, so please don't base your opinion of his buisness on this one deal, ASK around, maby others have had problems maby not, but as in all business things do happin, this was a matter that blow up and shouldn't of happined, there were things both of us should and could of done to avoid this... if a trade goes bad take care of it imeditally, if you can't complete the trade for some reason ship the aniamls back, or take care of it then... but again i'm man enough to apologies i hope that some day you will be able to do the same.. |
| Tony Basica |
I wanted to end this however.
5409.html Posted At 15:31:43 07/06/2001 I had no plans of continuing this debate however Mr. Wright again has turned this against me....yes I wrote incorrectly the female was not an adult but a sub-adult, the male was to my knowledge meaning I purchased him as a proven breeder het. male. I NEVER stated they were a pair of adult proven hets. Joey never sent me a retic I think I would remember owning 2 12' retics kinda hard to forget something like that. I did in fact own a 12' yellowhead retic I purchased locally here in florida along with another smaller retic a male red-tail and a pair of blood pythons. I'm sorry to everyone that has read and kept up with these its like a stupid soap opera and I apologize for it. However other than my mistake of writing here about the age of the female boa the rest of the information I have posted was very factual not to mention most of my information was posted from emails I got from Joey. Oh well again I would like to end this and I have written Joey privately addressing the above issues and have explained that if he can provide any proof about shipping the animals he said he sent me other than the word of a friend of his I will happily recant my story publicly all over the internet. Again I apologize for what this simple post has become. Tony Basica |
| Joey Wright |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
5429.html Posted At 22:24:50 07/06/2001 I agree with Tony i'm also sorry for the "soap Opera" that this mess caused, i'm curentlly searching records and talking with Tony VIA email to try and get the missing details straight, so i can hopefully finally after all this time end this matter once and for good, i'll keep everone posted, Thanks |
| Joey Wright |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
5450.html Posted At 16:43:12 07/07/2001 Just to let Everyone Know this deal is OVER FINALLY, i just wanted to post this to let everyone know i made 1 last final offer to settle with Tony and he refused, and i pffered to send the recite so he could apologise and he refused, he states it over so i just wanted everyone to know so a couple months from now we wont be going threw this again, below is the final email he sent me .. Thanks a lot everyone for your time and letting me have the chance to clear my name... --- "T. B." > I'm done, I don't want anything from you other than > the truth would be nice. > The only thing you ever sent me where the savanna > monitors, no cash, no > ball pythons and most definetely never a 12' retic! > > But as of now it really doesn't matter anymore. > Don't bother looking for the receipt you're not > going to find one. > Tony Basica > |
| Tony |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
5473.html Posted At 12:26:47 07/08/2001 THats right I don't want anything since you've offered so many times and didn't follow through theres no point. And your welcome to send me the receipt but you and I both know that one doesn't exist hence my response of don't bother looking for the receipt since there isn't one. Anyway as I did say in my email that I would no longer seek anything from you. Tony Basica |
| Tony Basica |
Re: Joey Wright from Kentucky *BAD GUY VERY BAD*
8245.html Posted At 08:35:32 08/26/2001 Just a quick update, over almost 2 months later, guess what !!! NO RECEIPT ever seems to have materialized Hmmmmm.............. Tony Basica |