| Author | Subject: arboreal classifiedsneeds restructuring......... |
| Bill Horn, Briarpatch Herps | Posted At 15:07:44 01/13/2001
we have attempted to post numerous ads on the arboreal classifieds asking for chondro and emmie owners to make us trade offers on animals we've had posted. trouble is, other folks have used the same method and have remained on the board. below you will find a very long, boring, confusing and irritating example of how differently these folks apply their posting regulations to different parties. (start our ad) we are looking to add emmies and chondros to our group **PICS** use Your Browser's [Back] Button To Make Changes Name: Bill Horn, Briarpatch Herps E-Mail: [email protected] Subject: we are looking to add emmies and chondros to our group **PICS** Body of Message: hello, we are currently looking to add several varieties of emmies and chondros to our collection as a means of diverisfication. if you have anything like this available for trade, heres what we offer in trades: 7.14 97 surinamxcolumbian 66% het albinos. 1.1 97 BREEDABLE Sharp strain het albinos. 0.1 00 salmonxsalmon hypo 1.0 99 Kahl strain stripe. 0.1 00 chainback stripe. 1.0 98 light phase BREEDABLE anery. 1.1 99 super light anerys. 1.0 99 superstripe boa 0.2 00 Kahl produced anerythristic 66% het for snow. 0.1 98 striped Guyanan. 1.0 95 Kahl produced albino. 1.0 99 yellow ackie. 0.2 98/99 graybanded kings. the 99 female has 40% striping please feel free to drop us a line via phone or email should you wish to make a trade offer. regards, Bill Horn Briarpatch Herps 513.868.3708 Link: available now for trade of CHONDROS and EMERALD TREE BOAS Subj: Last chance. Date: 1/13/01 2:40:17 AM Eastern Standard Time From: [email protected] (Design Groupe System) To: [email protected] The Arboreal Classifieds are just that. Please refrain from posting another add in which anything other than arboreal boid species are prominantly featured. Further failure to adhere to this restriction will result in the inability to access the site. Thankyou for your cooperation. Subj: Re: Last chance. Date: 1/13/01 3:43:49 AM Eastern Standard Time From: BriarPatch Herps To: [email protected] perhaps you may wish to go through the list of ads and remove the dumerils boa, diamond pythons and cage ads as well then. my ad specifically stated "investment quality boas to trade for arboreals" , my experiance is that emerald tree boas and chondros are arboreals and they are on my list of animals to acquire, are they not? is it your common business practice is to apply your rules and regulations to some and not others? regards, Bill Horn Briarpatch Herps Subj: Absolutely the last oppertunity to comply with our rules. Date: 1/13/01 11:59:37 AM Eastern Standard Time From: [email protected] (Design Groupe System) To: [email protected] I am going to try to be completely clear with this last plea for compliance. We do not allow the listing of species other than arboreal boids on our classified site. If you wish to trade for an arboreal species we are delighted to have you say so. You may indicate that you have several other species available for trade, however you may not list them, post pictures of them or in anyway make elaborate references to the specific nature of non arboreal species. This has been perceived as a poorly veiled attempt to advertise your animals on our sight, and will not be tolerated again. Subj: Re: Absolutely the last oppertunity to comply with our rules. Date: 1/13/01 12:18:16 PM Eastern Standard Time From: BriarPatch Herps To: [email protected] and my question still remains, then what is a dumerils boa ad doing on your site? (ads from site, names protected and not used to offend, only an example) IM interested on trading My pair of 1997 Dumeril's Boas for a pair of GTP or ETB. Will sell the pair for $550.00 shipping included. Keep in mind the pair will be breeddable this coming season. I can also use Womas an high quality Boas. Thanks **************** or maybe amethystines? I am interested in any locality/morph/size amethystine pythons. Email me at ************** I am looking for anyone in the New England area or around North Carolina. Thank you for your time, or hybrids and cages? I have 8 baby diamondXcarpet pythons and the following neodesha cages available for trades of green tree pythons. 4-48" standard neodesha cages heated, 1-36" neodesha standard with heat, and 4-24" standard cages. and diamonds? 1.1 00 Diamond Pythons for sale or trade: awesome pair of diamonds! will consider all cash and trade offers. Regards, *************** nothing mentioned in these ads is an arboreal species. my ad WAS NOT to list whats for sale it was a list of whats available for trade just as the diamond ad, the dumerils ad, the diamondxcarpet/neodesha ad. im not sure exactly why you cant see simple logic or what your apparent problem is with our postings, but do as you must. i will say this, if my ads removed after ive worded it the same as the others and those other ads stay, i will be forced to post this incident on other bulletin boards. your total lack of business ethics and human demeanor is also very disappointing, i would think someone broadcasting their services all across the united states would act with more maturity and tact. feel free to call should you need further explaination, regards, Bill Horn Briarpatch Herps 513.868.3708 PS as for my last chance to obey with your rules and regulations, its hypocritical to make those rules vary from customer to customer. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:48 PM Subject: rules of the road this is the ad we've placed: > we are looking to add emmies and chondros to our group **PICS** Use Your Browser's [Back] Button To Make Changes Name: Bill Horn, Briarpatch Herps E-Mail: [email protected] Subject: we are looking to add emmies and chondros to our group **PICS** Body of Message: hello, we are currently looking to add several varieties of emmies and chondros to our collection as a means of diverisfication. if you have anything like this available for trade, heres what we offer in trades: 7.14 97 surinamxcolumbian 66% het albinos. 1.1 97 BREEDABLE Sharp strain het albinos. 0.1 00 salmonxsalmon hypo 1.0 99 Kahl strain stripe. 0.1 00 chainback stripe. 1.0 98 light phase BREEDABLE anery. 1.1 99 super light anerys. 1.0 99 superstripe boa 0.2 00 Kahl produced anerythristic 66% het for snow. 0.1 98 striped Guyanan. 1.0 95 Kahl produced albino. 1.0 99 yellow ackie. 0.2 98/99 graybanded kings. the 99 female has 40% striping please feel free to drop us a line via phone or email should you wish to make a trade offer. regards, Bill Horn Briarpatch Herps 513.868.3708 Link: available now for trade of CHONDROS and EMERALD TREE BOAS this is the constant harassment weve recieved from posting such ads in lea of the other ads doing the same thing that WERE not removed: > In a message dated 1/13/01 11:59:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Subj: Absolutely the last oppertunity to comply with our rules. Date: 1/13/01 11:59:37 AM Eastern Standard Time From: [email protected] (Design Groupe System) To: [email protected] I am going to try to be completely clear with this last plea for compliance. We do not allow the listing of species other than arboreal boids on our classified site. If you wish to trade for an arboreal species we are delighted to have you say so. You may indicate that you have several other species available for trade, however you may not list them, post pictures of them or in anyway make elaborate references to the specific nature of non arboreal species. This has been perceived as a poorly veiled attempt to advertise your animals on our sight, and will not be tolerated again. > > > > Subj: Last chance. > Date: 1/13/01 2:40:17 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: [email protected] (Design Groupe System) > To: [email protected] > > The Arboreal Classifieds are just that. > Please refrain from posting another add in which anything other than arboreal boid species are prominantly featured. Further failure to adhere to this restriction will result in the inability to access the site. > Thank you for your cooperation. > > > Subj: Re: Last chance. > Date: 1/13/01 3:43:49 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: BriarPatch Herps > To: [email protected] > > perhaps you may wish to go through the list of ads and remove the dumerils boa, diamond pythons and cage ads as well then. my ad specifically stated "investment quality boas to trade for arboreals" , my experiance is that emerald tree boas and chondros are arboreals and they are on my list of animals to acquire, are they not? is it your common business practice is to apply your rules and regulations to some and not others? > > regards, > Bill Horn > Briarpatch Herps > > Subj: Re: Absolutely the last oppertunity to comply with our rules. > Date: 1/13/01 12:18:16 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: BriarPatch Herps > To: [email protected] > > and my question still remains, then what is a dumerils boa ad doing on your site? > > IM interested on trading My pair of 1997 Dumeril's Boas for a pair of GTP or ETB. Will sell the pair for $550.00 shipping included. Keep in mind the pair will be breeddable this coming season. I can also use Womas an high quality > Boas. > Thanks > ******** > > > or maybe amethystines? > > I am interested in any locality/morph/size amethystine pythons. Email me at ******************. I am looking for anyone in the New England area or > around North Carolina. > Thank you for your time, > ******** > > or hybrids and cages? > > I have 8 baby diamondXcarpet pythons and the following neodesha cages available for trades of green tree pythons. 4-48" standard neodesha cages heated, 1-36" neodesha standard with heat, and 4-24" standard cages. > > > and diamonds? > > 1.1 00 Diamond Pythons for sale or trade: awesome pair of diamonds! will consider all cash and trade offers. Regards, ************** > > > nothing mentioned in these ads is an arboreal species. my ad WAS NOT to list whats for sale it was a list of whats available for trade just as the diamond ad, the dumerils ad, the diamondxcarpet/neodesha ad. im not sure exactly why you cant see simple logic or what your apparent problem is with our postings, but do as you must. i will say this, if my ads removed after ive worded it the same as the others and those other ads stay, i will be forced to post this incident on other bulletin boards. your total lack of business ethics and human demeanor is also very disappointing, i would think someone broadcasting their services all across the united states would act with more maturity and tact. > feel free to call should you need further explaination, > > regards, > Bill Horn > Briarpatch Herps > 513.868.3708 > > PS as for my last chance to obey with your rules and regulations, its hypocritical to make those rules vary from customer to customer. > ----------------- > Forwarded Message: > Subj: Absolutely the last oppertunity to comply with our rules. > Date: 1/13/01 11:59:37 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: [email protected] (Design Groupe System) > To: [email protected] > > I am going to try to be completely clear with this last plea for compliance. We do not allow the listing of species other than arboreal boids on our classified site. If you wish to trade for an arboreal species we are delighted to have you say so. You may indicate that you have several other species available for trade, however you may not list them, post pictures of them or in anyway make elaborate references to the specific nature of non arboreal species. This has been perceived as a poorly veiled attempt to advertise your animals on our sight, and will not be tolerated again. > > > > > i will repeat myself as to be made clear, if our ad is removed while the other offending ads stay posted i will post this entire string of information on every bulletin board i find. > > regards, > Bill Horn > Briarpatch Herps > 513.868.3708 Subj: Re: rules of the road Date: 1/13/01 12:55:20 PM Eastern Standard Time From: [email protected] (Daemon's Glorious Serpent) To: [email protected] It is not permitted to list animals other than Arboreal Boid Species. You may state that you wish to acquire any particular Arboreal Serpent Species and/or list those in which you are interested. Further, you may indicate that you have numerous species and morphs available and post a link to another page on another site where you have them listed or whatever. You may NOT however run out an individual list of non-Arboreal species in your ad. Subj: Re: rules of the road Date: 1/13/01 1:00:43 PM Eastern Standard Time From: BriarPatch Herps To: [email protected] and my question still stands, are dumerils, neodesha cages, carpet/diamond hybrids and diamond pythons an arboreal species? no they are not. the animals i listed are whats available for trade just as the above mentioned ads. remove my ad, remove those as well. regards, Bill Horn Briarpatch Herps 513.868.3708 Subj: Re: rules of the road Date: 1/13/01 2:22:07 PM Eastern Standard Time From: [email protected] (Daemon's Glorious Serpent) To: [email protected] This is not a request and it's not a democracy. If you want to argue, find someone who gives a ****. Subj: Re: rules of the road Date: 1/13/01 3:07:29 PM Eastern Standard Time From: BriarPatch Herps To: [email protected] i wont bother arguing, remove my posts without removing the others and this entire chain of emails will be posted on every bulletin board i can locate. im more than willing to let the public view and decide whats just. regards, Bill Horn Briarpatch Herps 513.868.3708 (end) i offer my apologies to all that have taken the time to read all of this but its needed to make a simple point. Briarpatch Herps has no problem removing or reconfiguring its ads to stay within hosts guidelines but the guidelines we are expected to meet we feel others should be restricted the same or its an unjust act. heres a link to the hosts page in question http://www.forumboard.net/48696/ thank you for your time, Bill Horn Briarpatch Herps 513.868.3708 (all information is saved to disk to be forwarded to interested parties) |
| AL |
Re: arboreal classifiedsneeds restructuring......... (Currently 1 replies)
Posted At 21:40:31 01/13/2001 I GUESS SOME ASSHOLE HAS A STICK UP HIS ASS FOR YOU. BILL YOU ARE 100%RIGHT AND IT DOESNT TAKE AN IDIOT TO SEE THAT. WHAT MORONS DO THEY HAVE WORKING FOR THEM?? |
| Jason |
Re: arboreal classifiedsneeds restructuring......... (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 20:23:07 01/14/2001 you know what is really sad that all the other adds that Bill is talking about are still up there, and i actually thought that whats his name from glorius serpents was a good guy, boy did I have the wrong idea what a hypocritical dick, that sh#t aint right |
| chris |
Re: arboreal classifiedsneeds restructuring......... (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 03:34:50 01/15/2001 Well this is pretty much open and shut from what I read. The guy tried to get you to stop posting your for sale list on HIS board and you just wanted to have it YOUR way. Pretty stupid if you ask me. Incidently, Amethystine Pythons, Diamond Pythons, Carpet X Diamonds are ALL considered arboreal species. Do a little reading and you will not only avoid breaking peoples rules but you might not look so foolish afterwards. |
| Bill, BPH |
Re: arboreal classifiedsneeds restructuring......... (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 04:30:32 01/15/2001 and the point still remains, my ad was placed in no manner that differed from the dumerils, cage, diamond or carpet python (which upon working with these species youll find they are far from 100% arboreal) ads, yet mine removed and the others were not. please focus on the complaint/argument at hand as to not make yourself look foolish. and may i suggest.........you do a little reading. regards, Bill Horn Briarpatch Herps |
| Ritchie |
Re: arboreal classifiedsneeds restructuring......... (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 05:09:25 01/15/2001 Chris thanks for lettimg me know carpet x diamonds are arboreal. I have some and they don't know they are arboreal. I will go tell them ones I get off work. They hate the tree limbs I placed for them. They like to stay on the ground. Will they ever be surprised when they find out they are supposed to hang out in the trees like chondros do. Two of the them know this but three of them don't. What is my point? They are not 100% arboreal like emmies or chondros. P.S. Do a little reasearching before you pretty much tell someone they are stupid. Bill Horn of Briarpatch Herps is one of the prominent names in the reptile business. He knows his reptiles. Telling him to go read is like telling VPI they don't know what they are doing. Its like telling Rich of serpenco that he is Clueless. Its like telling Rich Ihle that he does not know anything about his salmon boas. Should I mention anymore names? |
| Boaworks |
Re: arboreal classifiedsneeds restructuring......... (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 06:03:02 01/15/2001 Hey Bill, I just went to the Arboreal Classifieds, I registered and placed a message on the board asking why those ads were still on there. He removed my message and removed my account. Pretty silly isn't it. Stick with Kingsnake!!!!!!!! |
| Boaworks |
Re: arboreal classifiedsneeds restructuring......... (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 06:06:57 01/15/2001 Hey Bill, I just posted a message on the Arboreal Classifieds asking why they had non-arboreal items on the classifieds. He removed my message and account. Pretty silly huh... Stick with Kingsnake, they are the best!!!!!! Take care, Tim |
| Mike |
Re: arboreal classifiedsneeds restructuring......... (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 06:34:36 01/15/2001 Here's how I see it. The owner of that private classified board told you to stop posting adds in which "any thing other than arboreal species are prominently featured", your ad has effectively advetised 37 individual snakes of yours. After your fist warning you should have reworded your ad to say something like "email me for a complete list of snakes available for trade". The ads that do remain feature 1 or 2 snakes that are either offered to trade for arboreals, or are semi-arboreals themselves. I visit that board everyday, and I can tell you for a FACT that there have been many other ads (than yours) removed in which there were either non-arboreals posted for sale, or complete itemized lists of snakes available either for trade or even for sale along with 1 arboreal snake. If you had just reworded your ad it would probably still be there. |
| Dave B. |
Re: arboreal classifiedsneeds restructuring......... (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 08:48:45 01/15/2001 Bill you are way out of line on this one. I know the guy that runs that board reasonably well. He's a fair and decent man and you are attempting to damage him why? Because apparently you are indignant about him doing as he pleases with his own site? Grow up. |
| Ken Harbart |
A fair and decent man??? (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 11:10:14 01/15/2001 Let's see, Joe Polanco violated kingsnake.com's Terms of Service by making several derogatory comments about Danny Mendez, including referring to Danny, a hispanic, as a "chalupa", and referring to Danny's website as www.urbanjungles.CUM. After having his account deleted as a result of his actions, he chose to sue. That's a classic example of someone who doesn't have the fortitude to accept responsibility for his actions. Bill's ad correlated to many of those that are still up. The question still remains, "why isn't Joe evenly and fairly enforcing his own rules? Yes, the board does belong to Joe. However, he has an obligation to apply his rules equitably, which he has not been doing. He applkies his rules to some, and lets others slide. Then, when queried about it by others, he deletes there account without just cause. As I said before, it's also interesting that at least one of these people was hit with a denial of service attack on their computer after this. Now, I'm not saying that Joe is ressponsible for the dos attack, because odds are that would make me the next victim of a Joe Polanco lawsuit. Those who are reading can draw their own conclusions, however. Also, I findn it intriguing that someone that I know was hit with a denial of service attack last night after they posted, and it was removed. As for Chris, I suggest you heed your own advice before you spout off and tell a very competent herper that he looks foolish. As per Barker & Barker(1994), diamond pythons "...are not often arboreal in habit. Only infrequently is this python found off the ground and in trees." Concerning scrub pythons,the Barkers point out that while some have referred to this complex as being arboreal, most specimens, in fact, are encounered on the ground and that adults are primarily terrestrial snakes, and younger snakes are equally at home in the ground or in a tree. |
| Bill Horn, Briarpatch Herps |
apparantly ive been as clear as mud so far............ (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 16:26:33 01/15/2001 Hello everyone, it seems as though my lengthy post has turned out to be somewhat confusing. for this i apologize as it was quite long and boring.(i didnt want accused of leaving facts out)i knew upon posting it would be a witch hunt, with myself as the sacrificial lamb but if i did things the easy way, i wouldnt be me. =) 1) i have ZERO issues following rules of any type, i do however expect all follow them the same. i wish to ruin nothing for noone, i simply wish everyone be treated equaly to make things equaly pleasurable for everyone. and for the record my disappointment in the site was for simple fact i thought it was a great addition to the vast web of info online. i was mearily disappointed that such a super oppertunity to deal in arboreals on a specific site was ruined with ignorance of ones own regulations. 2) i made ZERO accusations, claims, threats OR stated ANY negative opinions of ANYONE. what i did do is provide people with the entire list of actual facts as they happened. there is no room for discrepancy of happenings as ALL information is plainly posted in black and white in the english language leaving no reason for speculation. 3) my simple goal was to provide facts to the public, make sure it be seen and give every individual the oppertunity to make up his or her own mind where to do business and how they conduct it. 4) im labeled petty, whining and childish for posting this info, continuing debate and not following rules. but whats been missed is i am 100% willing to abide by rules (and did so abide by the rules PRACTICED on such site)while others are not. all of my back and forth communications were discreet, respectable and professional while others were not.as for childish, it appears more childish to attack when a disagreement occurs. i attacked noone, i simply posted a message looking for input. 5) most importantly, ive not asked for ANYONES approval of my actions. i simply posted something i found unjust, if the FACTS ive posted bother or upset anyone thats not my concearn. they were put there to allow people to make up their own mind of the situation and to draw a conclusion. if your conslusion is one of im in the wrong so be it. everyone has the right to their view. 6)the arboreal board has so much potential and is a great asset to the herp community. but with their regulations not being practiced by the owner and by punishment being handed out at random to some rule breakers while not others its not a valuable tool to all herpers, its only valuable to some. 7)i do not deny for one second my ad broke the regulations that were placed upon me by the owner, i did so willingly. as for the PRACTICED regulations of that website, i was directly in line with standing procedure. my point was then, is now and always will be for any future incident that if i am expected to obey regulations placed upon the postings of a public forum or board that the remainder of the public be made to adhere to the same rules. ive been banned from that board for my actions and i knew it was coming. im not sour im banned as i got banned intentionally by doing exactly as i was instructed NOT to do. i will always choose to suffer consequence for the right reason verses bend, adjust, tolerate or be discriminated against for the wrong reason. perhaps if regualtions were dispensed fairly and equaly as well as the punishments of breaking such regulations.........conformity would cease to exist. as always, Briarpatch Herps would like to thank all for the fantastic business we've done over the past couple of years and wish everyone the best in this new year. its a pleasure to serve you. regards, Bill Horn Briarpatch Herps 513.868.3708 |
| KelliH |
Bill... (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 18:46:33 01/15/2001 Bill- I respect your opinion and I do see your point but..it seems like what you are saying is that it is ok for you to break the rules as long as others are too. I for one do not agree with that philosphy. Please don't take it the wrong way, I am not getting personal, just offering an opinion. Thanks for reading, Kelli |
| Ritchie |
Re: arboreal classifiedsneeds restructuring......... (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 21:15:14 01/25/2001 Here is what is really funny. I was always able to go to their site and read stuff and post stuff. Then all of these things started happening. Then someone posted a question about amethistyne pythons or something. They were asking how come people were e-mailing him telling him it was not arboreal. I replied to him on the boards that I did not know who was doing this. I just told him my experiences and what I have learned about the pythons. I also quoted books and pages and authors. Too make a long story short. my post was erased and now I can't access the boards..........I was proffesional...and all I talked about was the snake. And I was banned............Explain this to me. |
| bob |
Re: arboreal classifiedsneeds restructuring.........
Posted At 22:50:10 03/25/2001 i was wondering would u know where i could find some REAL info on diamond pythons and caring feeding etc 4 hem plz thanx |