| Author | Subject: Please read this and tell me what you guys think.. |
| Jerry Tubbs | Posted At 07:53:06 07/12/2001
I am 20 years old, and I have been highly involved with snakes for 6-7 years, and I know good and well that you can ship usps and they will not ask any questions. and if you could sell it to someone else then why did you get so little bids on them. I will be glad to get it if you ship usps, because of your lack of knowledge usps is cheaper, and they might say they will not ship, I have shipped them for years, and I recommend them over anyone else. and I will be sure to e-mail everyone else and tell them that you are crazy to make them pay $35 shipping, or whatever on a $37 snake, and I will ship them one for $55 to there door. thanks, and I hope you learn one day! oh and by the way how old are you, because you act like you are 10 trying to get people to pay as much shipping cost as it does for the animal in the first place. have a good day!!! This is copied from an email I RECEIVED and the person wants to back out of her bid on herpauction because shipping is to much for her.She one a baby boa for 37 dollars and then complained when I told her shipping is 35 and then she wanted me to ship threw USPS. So what I'm asking is for your guys opinions on this, now read what she wrote and tell me 1. If you can ship snakes threw USPS , then why do they say you can't? 2. I told her if she didn't want it cause I wouldn't ship USPS then I would just sell to someone else. She asked why I got so little bids ,well on the auction when you set no reserve you get what you get right? 3.She says" I'll recommend them over anyone" .Do you guys belieave that is a good idea? 4. The last part says that I'm a 10 year old (or acting like one) cause I'm trying to get almost as much for shipping as I am for the winning bid. Is this my fault? Now alot of you guys probably won't read this one ,but if ya do leave your opinion. Thanks Jerry Tubbs |
| Richard Townsend |
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5686.html Posted At 08:12:29 07/12/2001 Jerry, I'm going to give you a little helpful suggestion.....you have GOT to learn how to spell. For example: She WON the snake on herpauction, not "ONE" the snake. He ships THROUGH usps, not "THREW". Come on man! To answer your question, my understanding is that it is illegal to ship snakes through the mail. I wouldn't risk it, especially for a measly $37.00 snake. As for her other statements, keep in mind that she is a 20 year old KID, with a 20 year old mentality. If she doesn't want the snake I'm sure someone else will. I would suggest that, in the future, you make sure to mention approximate shipping costs in your ads so the winners of your auctions can't bitch about it afterwards. If they don't like the cost of shipping then they don't have to bid. |
| Corey Sawyer |
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5688.html Posted At 09:09:40 07/12/2001 Jerry, She is full of it. I would not take the risk of shippin the snake with USPS. And as far as your spelling, I suck at spelling too. A friend of mine told me about a program called atomica from http://www.atomica.com/ which helps a lot. Corey |
| Steve Schindler |
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5689.html Posted At 09:16:35 07/12/2001 As Richard says, you should make it clear in every add or every potential deal up front, or as early as possible, what your shipping method will be, or list the options you are willing to offer and include an approximate cost. I have passed on many auction items (animals and collectibles) because I thought the shipping costs were out of line. next thing you need to do is copy a section of the USPS regs that state shipping snakes is illegal. The next time someone requests that you use the USPS send them a copy of the regs and explain why you won't use them. If they insist, inform them that the deal is off, I don't think anyone will fault you for not doing something illegal even if "everyone else does it" as far as the other points, well everyone has their opionions One question for you Jerry, what if you buy a snake from someone and they insist on using the USPS? how do you respond to that. Steve S |
| Jerry Tubbs |
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5691.html Posted At 09:33:16 07/12/2001 Richard, Come on man ........You remember the way I used to write? This is a big improvement from then lol......isn't it? Rome wasn't built in a day...It's a proven fact it takess TIME to change.. AND when Iam discouraged ,mad, excited, or otherewise emotional I mess up and say or write things that should sound or look diffrent then what they do. I meant she had won one boa. I atleast get an A for effort .right?And I don't think I'll ever get some of my spelling correct lol so I'm sorry........ Steve, To the situation that has happened here she knew there was a shipping charge as she was told through/threw(whatever) an email.That is when she said I should only charge(or she offered ,is more like it ) 13 bucks for shipping through USPS.When I said I won't ship for that or use USPS that's when it started. If they insist on it, I will not go through with the deal.As I am not going to complete this one because of that. Thanks and I hope this answered your question if not just let me know .Thanks Jerry Tubbs |
| Ritchie |
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5693.html Posted At 10:37:41 07/12/2001 Jerry just cancel the deal. I would hate selling to someone who says I lack knowledge when it is perfectly clear that it is them who lack. True usps won't ask questions.....But it is still illegal. If someone was to rape someone who was mute. It would still be illegal. Just because the person was not saying no does not make it legal This persons attitude is something else. Tell them it says shipping to be paid by the winner. and if they don't want to pay then they are not entitled to the snake. Besides usps is more than 13...it is usually 19....at least that is my experience. And yes I used to ship through them before i learned that it was illegal |
| Tony Basica |
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5697.html Posted At 11:32:12 07/12/2001 I don't see the problem it is ILLEGAL to ship ANY snakes through the post office. Offer her other shipping options, Northwest Air, Delta, Airborne Express etc. They all take snakes and the least expensive is probably Northwest around $39 She made the deal knowing she was responsible for shipping, if she believes its O.K. to ship via the post office however I wouldn't sell her any animals to begin with. Oh and just a word of advice as I've begun doing with all my ads, Shipping paid by buyer via their choice of approved air cargo only!!! Seems to help. Good luck and keep on herping. Tony |
| John Albrecht |
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5699.html Posted At 12:45:33 07/12/2001 Seems to me that if you are in the animal business it would be foolish to risk using USPS. While the risk is extremely low, the potential for damage if discovered is too great. |
| Robert Hill |
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5701.html Posted At 13:06:37 07/12/2001 I fully agree with cancelling the deal. While it is okay to ship lizards, scorpions, and amphibians through USPS, snakes, spiders, and tortoises are no nos. And if you DID ship it, God forbid something should happen and they end up opening the box somewhere in transit and you, the seller, having to pay all the fines while the animal will likely be impounded. The only legal way to ship snakes is through the airlines like Delta Dash. To my knowledge, Fed-ex, UPS, and Airborne Express are not even supposed to be shipping live reptiles period. That is why I no longer use those services(although the service has always been topnotch). And shipping is always a risky business, but I guess we are all just going to have to go with the options we have. |
| Jerry Tubbs |
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5702.html Posted At 13:22:06 07/12/2001 She was told they would be coming airborne and the charge was 35 bucks.She knew this the minute after the bid and continued to bid at higher intervals.Then she said " I won't pay that much for shipping your crazy".So I toldher I would cancel the deal and send to someone else, and she keeps wanting me to send USPS. I guess (even though it's rude)I'll just quit repling to her emails. Also I would like to say this is a touchy situation ,but Airborne, Fed Ex ,and Ups will ship (depending on your stations)live cargo and reptiles and USPS will ship tortoises , but not turtles.I ship threw FED EX and AIRBORNE because they don't have a problem with it and they know exactly that there is non hot snakes in the box .They will not guarantee the contents but they will ship them.A few months ago Airborne even guaranteed live arrival when I made special arrangements on certain dates to be shipped, but they said " it's to much of a hassle now" Thanks Jerry Tubbs |
| Richard Townsend |
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5703.html Posted At 13:41:07 07/12/2001 Jerry, one last thing......if you DO end up selling this snake to the lady(?) in question, might I suggest that she pays BEFORE you ship it. This deal sounds like a screwing just waiting to happen, my friend. Get the money IN THE BANK before you ship. Heed this warning!!! No pay, no play. |
| Clay Davenport (A.R.B.) |
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5704.html Posted At 14:04:22 07/12/2001 Jerry, If you need the exact wording for the USPS regulations on the shipping of snakes here it is. Section CO21, paragraph 3.0 Injurious and Harmful Articles General 3.1 Except as provided in this document, any article, composition, or material is nonmailable if it can kill or injure another or injure the mail or other property. Harmful matter includes, but is not limited to: a. All types and classes of poisons, including controlled substances. b. All poisonous animals, except scorpions; all poisonous insects; all poisonous reptiles; and all types of snakes, turtles, and spiders. c. All disease germs or scabs. d. All explosives, flammable material, infernal machines, and mechanical, chemical, or other devices or compositions that may ignite or explode. If you listed in the auction description that the shipping charge would be $35, then she has no excuse other than laziness and failure to read the terms of the auction, and this does not relieve her of her responsibility to fulfill the transaction. I would not be pressured into taking the risk of shipping through USPS. With them you are dealing with Federal regulations, and the Federal penalties they carry. Whether the post office asks or cares what you are shipping at the time is completely irrelevant. With Airborne, and the other shipping companies, it is internal rules that prohibit shipping snakes. Airborne for instance will accept chelonians, and amphibians, but no lizards or snakes of any kind. However getting caught by Airborne will only get you in trouble with them, possibly having your account terminated, but that is the extent of it. Clay |
| Rob Trenor d.b.a. RK Reptiles |
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5707.html Posted At 15:10:22 07/12/2001 Jerry, As by you know by now, it is a federal offense to ship any serpents (snakes) through USPS. Yes there are many people out there that chance it and do not get caught. But if a person does get caught they can face up to a $5000.00 fine. Any child or younger person such as the one your dealing with should do the research and see themselves or just pay the shipping cost. The cost your charging are not unreasonable by any means. I normally charge $20-$35 for shipping and usually $10.00 for box charge. If the person does not want to pay to receive the animal via the shipping method you use then they do not need the animal. I would just tell her sorry but the offer is only good via your shipping carrier. Good luck with her. Rob |
| Troy Cromwell |
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5712.html Posted At 17:26:37 07/12/2001 Just a thought...I've been in the hobby for quite some time now (15 years or better) and although I've never shipped Snakes through USPS, I have shipped Lizards. I have used Delta-Dash, Airborne Express, and UPS, BUT I have noticed that ALOT of sellers use Fed-Ex. Technically they do not handle Snakes, Lizards, etc...correct me if I'm wrong. I've also talked with mail carriers for USPS and they ALL tell me the same thing, Snakes are shipped quite often, and it's not a BIG priority with them to "make a big deal" over it. It's all about the money. So...what can WE do (the buyers/sellers) to get USPS to change this? I mean, I've had an INCREDIBLE amount of "billing errors" with Airborne Express. I mean SERIOUS errors!! After talking with several employees (local delivery drivers) and countless sellers, they've all had similiar experiences. The drivers actually told me they loose more accounts on billing errors than they care to mention. I realize shipping the animal safely and legally are TOP CONCERNS with all (well...hopefully all) of us, but at the same token, some buyers do not like the idea of having $40 or so added to their "first snake" or a single animal (or pair of animals) they want to add to the collection. I won't drag this on, but I would like some of your opinions (all of them are obviously appreciated) being that we're all friends here LOL having something very much in common. Do we see what we can do about change, or pay the extra buck(s)? Or is Fed-Ex the answer. It's all technicalities...the bottom line is that the Reptile biz is BIG right now and will only get BIGGER, so I doubt any of the above want to turn down that kind of money. I feel it just needs to be brought to their attention, thanks for listening (reading) and please reply. By the way, this place is a great asset to the hobby!! Thanks WEBMASTER!! |
| Jerry Tubbs |
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5714.html Posted At 17:29:52 07/12/2001 "all I know is that you are an idiot for trying to make people pay that much shipping, and if everyone else will pay it, then good for them, but I am not crazy enough for paying it, I will give you references to many major breeders, and let them tell you which way they want to ship, and what kind of shipping they would prefer. If you dont tell the post office then they wont know what it is, and I promise you they will not ask. but I hope you luck in selling your red tails. thanks" Man , I can't get her to stop emailing me ,what can I do ? I've already told her NO and quit emailing me .Who knows of the these "many major breeders" who's preferred way is to ship USPS, so I can talk to them lol. Guys I really appreciate your help .So do you know of any way to stop a person from emailing youlol? Thanks Jerry Tubbs |
| Kat |
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5715.html Posted At 17:33:09 07/12/2001 How to stop a person from emailing you: Block their email account. This means that any message they send you will NOT get through. Each email system out there has a different way of doing things, but since your email is an AOL account, I'm sure there are people out there that could give you exact instructions on how to block her address. -Kat Hall |
| Michael Gearino |
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5729.html Posted At 22:06:01 07/12/2001 This is for Richard Townsend for the comment made on your first response. "As for her other statements, keep in mind that she is a 20 year old KID, with a 20 year old mentality" Because she is 20 years old, doesn't mean she is a KID. Because of her age, she should be treated that way? I can understand if she is 12 or 13, but 20, she is a young adult. Sorry to do this, but it just bothers me when people say that. I am 23 and I still get referred to as a KID!!!! How old does someone have to be to not be considered a KID???? As for this topic in discussion, When i first started shipping animals, i didn't know everything about shipping. I shipped snakes through USPS. After they lost a shipment for a week, they gladly refunded my shipping overnight money, and insured me what the SNAKE was worth. I just had to prove how much it was worth. Now that I know the laws, I usually don't ship through USPS, but they don't mind, care or even bother. They know i ship harmless snakes, they do an excellent job. I have used Airborne Express, and I have to say I will NEVER ship them again. They have never delivered any animal on time. And I have never received an overnight shipment from them on time. UPS isn't any better. They delivered a snake that was supposed to be at my doorstep by 8am. First, they did NOT ring the door bell, they just left the box there, during an icestorm!!! No one signed for it, but when i called about it, they said someone had signed for it, even though i was the only one home. Anyways, as for shipping, i either us delta dash, or some other airline for expensive snakes, or USPS. They do a great job. And i have no complaints. Thank you |
| Derek Yagi |
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5738.html Posted At 00:11:01 07/13/2001 Thanks Clay. I had the same thoughts. Except your's is more detailed. If USPS says shipping reptiles is illegal, your asking for trouble. You're fooling around with a federal agency. I NEVER ship through USPS. I've worked in mail rooms with the state government in California for 19 years. I have many friends with UPS, FED EX and Airborne. It's also illegal with those couriers, but I'd rather face the consequences with the latter. The problem with those couriers, since it's illegal there's no guarantee's for live arrival. The ONLY way I guarantee live arrival is with aircargo. But that's not cheap, unless you become a known shipper. Hope this helps Jerry. Just my 2 cents. |
| Chris Thompson |
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5748.html Posted At 07:18:22 07/13/2001 Just a suggestion but allot of the time when I bye a low cost reptile from someone or a auction I ask what else they might have. It cost as or as close to as much 5 snakes as 1. As for spelling. A deal is a deal. When you bid you know ya gotta pay shipping. I cant spell either. Try typing the letter in a email program that has a spell checker, then cut and paste it in the thread. Wa la no one knows you cant spell. Although its kind a petty to get on some one about it in hear. |
| Richard Townsend |
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5750.html Posted At 07:33:18 07/13/2001 Michael G - 20 years old is legally an adult, but mentally pretty much still a kid. And by reading some of her comments to Jerry, I would say very much a kid. It takes more than 2 or 3 years or "adulthood" to have the life experiences one would need in order to think and behave as an adult. It only bothers people who are in the same boat. Chris T - Misspelling a word here and there is not really that unusual, hell everyone does at one time or another. Using a completely wrong word that happens to sound like the word you wish to use is simply poor grammer, and it reflects poorly on your education. ( Sorry Jerry, I'm not trying to pick on you - honest!) That is the message that I am trying to get THREW to you in HEAR. See how petty you think it is when you fill out a job application with that kind of spelling and see what happens. Hopefully McDonalds will still be hiring. Oh, and by the way....it's spelled "Voila", not "wa la". |
| chad bisbing |
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5752.html Posted At 09:03:16 07/13/2001 Actually, Jerry HAS come a long way with his presentation, spelling and grammar. Keep up the good work. My best experiences in shipping have been with Delta; both Air Express and Delta Dash.....I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a shipment from USPS.......... |
| Tony Basica |
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5753.html Posted At 09:05:42 07/13/2001 Just so everyone knows the FACTS in the written policy for FedEx shipping, they DO NOT take ANY LIVE ANIMALS !!!! Except fish???? The only time they will ship live other than fish is through their subsidiary Flying Tigers and then only for Zoological institutions. Yes there are a lot of FedEx stations that will take your packages but keep in mind if something ever goes wrong you are screwed! I saw the policy manual after trying to send a package to someone that sent me snakes via FedEx, having never used them before I was unaware of their policies and I made sure they showed me in writing and sure enough there it is, NO LIVE ANIMALS!!! Just some more information for everyone. Keep herping everyone!! Tony Basica' weirdsnakes http://www.wierdsnakes.itgo.com |
| Eric Burkett |
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5757.html Posted At 12:15:26 07/13/2001 I use to work for a MAJOR reptile wholesaler and during summer months, they use ONLY USPS (unless buyer wanted airlines)!! The people at the Post Office KNOW what are in the boxes!!! The boxes have written all over them LIVE HARMLESS REPTILES--PLEASE KEEP WARM 75-85F!! I think it's up to each individual office!! Just my $.02......ERIC |
| Troy Cromwell |
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5762.html Posted At 16:20:22 07/13/2001 I just wanted to check my head for a second...I wasn't aware that is is illegal to ship reptiles through Airborne Express, USPS, and UPS, as a previous reply stated. I know it is legal for UPS to ship live harmless reptiles, and I'm also under the impression that it is legal to ship them through Airborne Express as well, both the carrier and various customer service representatives have verified this. As far as Fed-Ex goes, I know they're situation, and I believe it's legal to ship Lizards,etc...through USPS, just no Snakes. If I'm incorrect, please reply. |
| Joey and Brittney |
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5773.html Posted At 21:15:29 07/13/2001 I just want to say that i agree that it is wrong to ship snakes through usps, because it is illegal, but the girl was right when she said you have a lack of knowledge jerry... you people should have seen the ghetto rigged box jerry sent my snakes to me in. if he is charging $30 for that, well just excuse me while i go throw up.... i got a dead snake from jerry. i was told it was just a runt, how did it die in overnight shipping? Maybe it was because jerry shipped it in one of those thin cardboard boxes that you get at the post office that are long and flat. and there were no air holes in it. he tried to poke some holes with an inkpen but they did not go through the box!!! and scribbled on the top was the word "fragile" in ink pen. could barely see it. nothing written about "live animal" or "do not expose to extreme temps" or "DO NOT DROP". and there was 5 snakes in ONE snake bag. one boa and 4 balls. one ball was dead, and dry and stiff as beef jerky. IT HAD BEEN DEAD FOR A WHILE!! the boa was really skinny, and i watched one of the other "runts" have seizures all week and bite itself until it finally broke its own neck. jerry gave me a few runt snakes for free, but i only said sure, i will take them, because he said "they are runts. they eat, they are just small." OK YOU BIG LIAR!!!!! if anyone has respect for animals, it is not jerry tubbs. He is a bad man. i am just letting you people know what happened to me...oh wait, i feel a psychic vision coming on...soon we will hear jerry write all these excuse and justifications for this like he is famous for doing. HIS REFERENCES DO NOT MEAN SH*T! and his excuses are getting old....he did me wrong and still won't admit it!!! PATHETIC is what you are jerry... |
| Tony Bedell |
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5788.html Posted At 00:59:22 07/14/2001 I just read the last post on here, and I was just wondering did you pay for them? It sound's like Jerry gave them to you for free because they were runt's. If they were free I don't understand why you are so upset about it. I have learned over the year's that nothing is free, sure people have given me animal's for free but those ones always seem to cost me the most money. IE Vet Bill's, and what not. Anyway's I was just wondering what the deal was. Tony Bedell |
| Brittney & joey |
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5789.html Posted At 01:23:10 07/14/2001 oh, i forgot...all of the snakes (including the dead one were in the same bag...a bag made of a polyester blend bedsheet!!It was not porous at all, therefore, no ventilation!!! and the dead snake was flat like he had been pressed in a book from the other FOUR snakes laying on top of him! my guess is that is part of the reason it was dead!!! i know i was told they were "runts" and there was ni guarantee on them, and i'm not asking for jerry to give me anything for the snakes, but there was a heck of a lot more wrong with some of those snakes than just being runts!!! I just want jerry to admit he was wrong and lied. i DO NOT enjoy watching snakes have seizures and bite themselves and break their own neck. if i knew that the snake was that bad off i would not have agreed to take it. i don't know what condition the dead one was in before it was shipped, but considering the fact that it was very evident that it was dead for a while, i don't think it was doing too great before. i told jerry i was going to send him the dead snakes back, and he said, "No, don't send me anything, I am afraid you will send me a mail bomb." oh please. i wouldn't waste my time, nor am I that type of person. i'm not the one who kills snakes by shipping them like that. It just makes me sick to constantly hear jerry complain about everyone else like he is just perfect, when in fact he is not a good business man from my experience, and from some of the other experiences i have heard other people have had with jerry tubbs. so don't beleive everything you read, but beleive this, it is true. |
| Jerry Tubbs |
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5807.html Posted At 20:19:19 07/14/2001 ok, here is the whole story on my experience with Jerry Tubbs. We made a deal to trade my colombian redtail boa for two or three of his ball pythons. I had two redtails for him to choose from, and he did not know which one he wanted, so i said i would send him both of them, and he could choose which one he wanted, and decide how many ball pythons he felt the boa he chose was worth, and send me the boa he did not want back with the ball pythons. so I sent him the boas.<<<<<< I waited for my shipment for weeks, and finally I could no longer get in touch with Jerry. <<<<<< He was not responding to my e-mails.<<< So I posted an ad asking if anyone knew how to get in touch with Jerry,<<<< Now I remember where I seen the ad and you asked for my phone # and it was given to you in a reply to that post ,now wasn;t it ? Yes it was . and someone e-mailed me with a link to a forum where there were numerous complaints on jerry.<<<<<<< How can you say numerous complaints when most of the people hasn't dealt with me ?? And the "true" complaints on bad deals there is 2 and both have been made right,isn't that what was supposed to happen? Yes it is ,you are just "one" of these people that can't be satisfied. including people who were also waiting on him to ship to them and getting no responses.<<< One person said she traded with jerry and received some sick snakes, and wanted a refund, but did not want any other snakes from him because of the sick snakes she received. <<< i don't know if that is true, but if it is he has hundreds of snakes and a spare bedroom could not provide adequate space for that many snakes.<<< So finally, after about a month of waiting, I got in touch with jerry. He told me some excuses about his kid being in the hospitol (I am not going to get into that out of respect for his kid). He said that was where he had been, and that was the reason for the delay. So I said ok, well then send me the snakes now. And he agreed to send them. <<<< So I waited some more. Honestly, how long does it take to pack and ship a few baby snakes? But, I figured I would give him the benefit of the doubt, and I figured he had enough problems with his kid, so I would be patient. well, I waited about 2 more weeks, and still no snakes. So after 2 months of waiting, I got back in touch with Jerry, and was a little upset, so he insisted that he call on the phone to explain. So he called and said he was having problems with his mother. (once again, i will not give details, out of respect for his mother) I read in that forum someone wrote that jerry tubbs was the king of excuses.<<< now, it may have all been true, but still, it does not take that long to pack and ship some snakes! Then, he kept saying he was going to ship for another month and did not. He said he was going to send me a nice banded ball, and if I wanted a few snakes he had that were runts. his exact words were that they were runts, so they were not guaranteed, but they ate and all, they were just a little skinny.<<<< So of course, who wouldn't take free snakes if they were just runts that did eat. I figured they had a great chance of survival if they ate. So finally I got the shipment. The first problem was the way he shipped them. They were in one of those liitle flat thin cardboard boxes you get at the post office. The box was from the post office I'm not denying that,but it was a 14x3.5x 8 inch cardboard box.To prove it (I mean the size and that it is cardboard, and not paper as you said in an email) ANYONE can go to there own POST OFFICE and look at them ...And you will see they are the same thickness in millimeters as cardboard boxes the other dealers send stuff out in. not a nice thick cardboard CRUSH PROOF box. <<<<< If you can get CRUSH PROOF,tell me where because I've never seen them.So please tell me where to get them . you know how they throw those boxes around in shipping. and accidents happen, people drop things!! there was a dent in the box from what looks like someone tossed it or dropped it. <<<<<< You was told live arrival guarantee on he snakes we traded for ,but not the runts.And you got them live. and it just had the word "fragile" scribbled on the top with a ball point pen. the sides were duct taped, with tiny holes poked with the ball point pen in the sides. the holes did not even go through the cardboard, so they were pointless!!! <<<<< Fragile was written on there and the duct tape was so the box wouldnt open it the same as boxing tape only stronger and thicker so I'm not denying that.And those are far from airtight boxes . When i opened the box, there was a lot of newspaper <<< Newspaper= padding. and a little tupperware container with a little condensation in it. I told him it was really hot and he needed to make sure it was cool enough in the box.<<<<<<< So he put some ice in that little container. but, the container was not leak proof! All the ice melted and the bag the snakes were in was all wet, it could have molded soon. NOT HEALTHY FOR THE SNAKES!!! <<<< the bag the snakes were in was made of some type of polyester blend sheet cut and sewn into a bag.<<<<<<< The bag was a pillowcase .How many of you ship in pillow cases? Isn't that what you shipped to me in?In a minute we'll talk about your shipping methods. All of the snakes were in one bag! True In that tiny box! Dimensions already given...It's not that small.. The material the bag was made of what not porous at all. So I guess it was an airtight pillow case ? YOU can stick it over your head and breath just fine ,just like the snakes could. So I slowly dump out the snakes scared to see what i would find since none of them were moving, and i get 4 baby ball pythons, and my boa back. First off, my boa was SMALLER than it was when i shipped it!! He had it for 3 months, and it was a yearling boa, and now it is smaller and really skinny. I confronted him about this, and he said that wasn't true, that he fed it a hopper a week. OK, a hopper a week is not enough for a baby growing yearling boa!<<<<<<< It was maintanance fed just like you was told it would be while in my possesion.Skinnier??? thats a lie out and out ..Smaller ???the snake grew 3 inches now how in the heck is that smaller? As for the ball pythons, the banded one was sort of healthy. it wasn't nice and fat, but it wasn't really skinny like the others.<<<<<< The other 3 were the "runts". Well, one was DEAD. It was dried out like some beef jerky left out in the sun, so it had been dead, because fresh dead snakes are like wet noodles until rigormortis(i know i spelled that wrong..) sets in, and this snake was way beyond just rigormortis. it had been dead for a while.<<<< the next "runt" wasn't moving and was skin and bones. looked like it had never eaten. and it didn't flick its tongue at all and looked dead.Once again you're telling a lie. the next one was active, but really skinny...how i expected all the runts to be. The one that was skin and bones had something very wrong. maybe underdeveloped or some other type of birth defect. It wasn't anything that could happen during shipping. I watched it have seizures for a few days, then it attacked the ringed ball, so i put it in a seperate enclosure.Well if you all that good of a herp keeper like you wanted me to think or other people to think ,then you should have known to keep them in a seperate container or cage from the get go . . The next day, i watched it strike at nothing, have seizures that were more violent, and bite itself. you can't imagine how hard that is to watch because there was nothing i could do. it was on its side jerking and hanging its tongue out of its gaping mouth...it was horrible. I was on the verge of putting it the freezer to humanely end its suffering, when it finally seized really bad and broke its own neck. looked like its back was broken too, there was a big kink in it. And as for them eating, HA HA HA! I tried frozen/thawed pinkies, live pinkies, lizards and frogs. nothing. NONE of them eat, including the "healthy" one.<<< I let jerry know i was pissed, and he just kept saying stupid stuff, like had done nothing wrong. whatever!!<<<<<<<< I still say i haven't exept for sending you those runts even though you was told several times on the phone what the deals was with them and you said" I don't care I still want them .... my neighbor was at my house when i received the package, and he is friends with the folks up at animal control, and he is letting them know about this.<<<<< He said that he has shipped the same way to other people and had no complaints, i just want to say that those people need to step up and say that it was wrong, because it was really bad. <<< You sent me the snakes in a 4x4x6 inch box. They came to me with mites . I told you about this ,you said"I'm sorry I'll pay you 20 bucks for taking care of them . So I did ,but I also told you not to worry bout the money . The thing that bothered me was you sent them to my collection or could have. You said "the boas are dark I just missed them cause I check them all the time. " Well you must not look that hard because as soon as I got them out of the box I spotted 3 of them then I found more after looking your snakes over .You was told this and you kept saying" sorry but I don't know how I missed them,but I'll pay you to get rid of them for me ". I told you again "just forget it ". The trade was for 1 ball regular for either one of you boas, then when I received them you told me "you better send me some good shit because I payed 250 for that"GREY PHASE BOA" and I payed over 200 for the other one that "CHANGES COLORS".Dud I hate to tell you but the one that changes colors is just a regular boa and the grey phase was a CA boa.In other words you got took, if you payed that much for them.I kept the lesser of the 2 snakes.And I told you this on the phone after getting them.Bottom line is you got what you was supposed to get and I got stuck with cleaning your snake(s) up to get rid of mites and taming down your ca that I kept . Now I have proof of what your snakes had(mites) as one of those people I mentioned was here and seen them and I have proof the one I kept was a CA , from the person who bought it from me .And hey you got your boa backand it's longer,just as fat if not more,and the best part NO FREAKIN MITES. As far as that banded ball it is fat and healthy and a great eater .I have proof from the person I was gonna trade it to ,they seen it the day before I shipped it to you .They are a well known dealer do you need there info to ask them ? Now there's both sides of the story....Thanks Jerry Tubbs This is the email I received from someone forwarded to me .I replied and sent it back.Everything coming after the arrows is what I said ,and what is before the arrows is what she/he said .I will post a return I got from them in the next post. |
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Re: Please read this and tell me what you guys think..
5809.html Posted At 20:43:07 07/14/2001 The snakes was picked up around 7:00 pm and was delivered around 10:30 or so .So I'm curious does mold "happen" that fast?You also said you didn't know they was there so they sat on the porch for an hour or more .If it was that hot why did't you check for them more often? ok, if they WERE (go back to grammar class) picked up around 7 pm and delivered around 10:30 or so, why was the dead one so dead? it must have died before you put it in the box!!! and if you had properly labeled the box, they delivery man wouldn't have left it there, dumbass. for all he know, it was not ALIVE. he did not even knock on the door. he just left it there. The bag was a pillowcase .How many of you ship in pillow cases? Isn't that what you shipped to me in?In a minute we'll talk about your shipping methods. yeah, a lot of people ship in pillowcases made of materials that are porous, not polyester you moron!!!!! cotton is nice and porous...try that so you don't kill any more snakes....and no, i put the snakes i sent you in a crush proof tupperware container with airholes, and then into a REAL cardboard box, with NEWSPAPER. (newspaper=padding...smartass...) It was maintanance fed just like you was told it would be while in my possesion.Skinnier??? thats a lie out and out ..Smaller ???the snake grew 3 inches now how in the heck is that smaller? i never heard ANYTHING about it being maintenance fed asshole. it was A LOT skinnier. i have pics to prove it. it is a LOT skinnier, you snake starving PRICK. And NO THE FUCK IT DID NOT GROW NO THREE FUCKING INCHES!!!! YOU ARE A STUPID BITCH, MAN...THAT BOA IS THE SAME LENGHTH IT WAS WHEN YOU RECEIVED IT, IF NOT SMALLER!!! QUIT FUCKING LIEING!!!! YOU ARE SUCH A LIAR!!! HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A LIAR WHEN I HAVE TOLD THE FLAT OUT TRUTH!!! ALSO, YOU NEVER TOLD ME THOSE RUNTS "WAS PROBABLY GONNA DIE", BECAUSE I WOULD NOT HAVE AGREED TO TAKE THEM!!!!! YOU GAVE ME THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY WERE FINE!!!!! JUST SKINNY!!! AND I HAVE YET TO SEE ANY OF THEM EAT...INCLUDING THE "HEALTHY" ONE. ARE THESE WC JERRY? Quit telling lies man GEEEEEZ.... That little baby was Fat. Why don't you show some piks of it? Then we'll let the people decide,but show them now before you have it a long time..Your exact words was "I'm very satisfied with the trade and I'll post a good comment wherever you want". GEEEEEZ...my ass you bastard!!!! that was not a FAT baby. for his length, he should be A LOT fatter. don't worry jerry, i feed my snakes good, he'll get fat...oh wait!!!!HE WON"T EAT EITHER!!!! maybe the shipping screwed his head up. ball pythons are delicate when they are babies, you need to be careful when you ship.. YOU DAMN WELL KNOW THAT WAS A Ghetto-RIGGED BOX. !!! Quit denying the fact you are a CHEAP BASTARD!!!! The other 3 were the "runts". Well, one was DEAD. It was dried out like some beef jerky left out in the sun, so it had been dead, because fresh dead snakes are like wet noodles until rigormortis(i know i spelled that wrong..) sets in, and this snake was way beyond just rigormortis. it had been dead for a while.<<<< ARE YOU STUPID? (oh wait..i already know that you are..) do you know what rigermortis is? It means that the dead thing has been dead for a while!!!!that package could not have sat on the porch for any longer than an hour, AND THEY WOULD NOT HAVE LEFT IT ON THE PORCH IF YOU HAD LABELED IT CORRECTLY!!!!!!! THEY WOULD HAVE LEFT ME NOTE SAYING WHERE TO GO PICK IT UP. SO IT IS YOUR FAULT IT WAS ON THE DAMN PORCH!!!! QUIT TRYING TO BLAME THAT ON ME. GOD, YOU SUCK! I AM SO PISSED OFF. the next "runt" wasn't moving and was skin and bones. looked like it had never eaten. and it didn't flick its tongue at all and looked dead.Once again you're telling a lie. JERRY I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOU CALL ME A LIAR AGAIN.... HOW DO YOU KNOW. YOU DO NOT KNOW THE CONDITION THOSE SNAKES WERE IN WHEN I GOT THEM BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT HERE. BUT MY NEIGHBOR THAT IS GOOD FRIENDS WITH ANIMAL CONTROL DID, SO I HAVE WITNESSES!!!! AND NOW IT IS DEAD!!! YOU LIE!!!! the next one was active, but really skinny...how i expected all the runts to be. The one that was skin and bones had something very wrong. maybe underdeveloped or some other type of birth defect. It wasn't anything that could happen during shipping. I watched it have seizures for a few days, then it attacked the ringed ball, so i put it in a seperate enclosure.Well if you all that good of a herp keeper like you wanted me to think or other people to think ,then you should have known to keep them in a seperate container or cage from the get go . oh shit you keep getting worse jerry. if YOU were that good of a herp keeper you would have known those snakes were more than just runts, and you would have shipped them right. and if they need to be in seperate containers so bad, why were they all in the same bag during shipping!!! don't you question my ability when yours is really bad. besides, I'm a lot younger than you and i actually am in school studying herpetology at Southeastern Louisiana University, so by the time i am your age i will have a Ph.D. in Herpetology. did you even go to elementary school? we all know who failed english class...jerry. As far as anyone with common sense they know a snake will not break its own neck even if it's having seizures let alone it's back.And you had the snakes for 2-3 days there again anyone with common sense knows stress doesnt hit snakes for a few days ,so why in the heck did ya try to feed so fast? once again you are a dumbass jerry. go do some studying, because a snake can break its own neck during a seizure. it jerks it so violently backwards that it breaks and when you see it dead, its head is still bent backwards. so don't try to act like you know what you are talking about, because YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT!!! and by the way jerry, if your business was so good, why do you have to ASK people to post for you. if you were that good, they would do it on their own. and the snake kept trying to strike at nothing so if figured maybe it was hungry and starving and freaking out, so i tried to feed him. and i've had the snakes for a week and they still haven't eaten. I let jerry know i was pissed, and he just kept saying stupid stuff, like had done nothing wrong. whatever!!<<<<<<<< I still say i haven't exept for sending you those runts even though you was told several times on the phone what the deals was with them and you said" I don't care I still want them .... whatever jerry...and the last sentence of that is a lie too. well, myself along with others have heard of a lot of people dissatisfied with you. read your trusty forums, and you will see. and oh, about you posting about why you could not be contacted when you couldn't...screw you i don't read forums, somebody responded to a post that I made, and referred me to a forum. that is the only time i read them, when someone refers me to one. AND LIKE I SAID ...YOUR REFERENCES DON'T MEAN SHIT TO ME. You sent me the snakes in a 4x4x6 inch box. They came to me with mites . I told you about this ,you said"I'm sorry I'll pay you 20 bucks for taking care of them . So I did ,but I also told you not to worry bout the money . The thing that bothered me was you sent them to my collection or could have. You said "the boas are dark I just missed them cause I check them all the time. " Well you must not look that hard because as soon as I got them out of the box I spotted 3 of them then I found more after looking your snakes over .You was told this and you kept saying" sorry but I don't know how I missed them,but I'll pay you to get rid of them for me ". I told you again "just forget it ". The trade was for 1 ball regular for either one of you boas, then when I received them you told me "you better send me some good shit because I payed 250 for that"GREY PHASE BOA" and I payed over 200 for the other one that "CHANGES COLORS".Dud I hate to tell you but the one that changes colors is just a regular boa and the grey phase was a CA boa.In other words you got took, if you payed that much for them.I kept the lesser of the 2 snakes.And I told you this on the phone after getting them.Bottom line is you got what you was supposed to get and I got stuck with cleaning your snake(s) up to get rid of mites and taming down your ca that I kept . Now I have proof of what your snakes had(mites) as one of those people I mentioned was here and seen them and I have proof the one I kept was a CA , from the person who bought it from me .And hey you got your boa backand it's longer,just as fat if not more,and the best part NO FREAKIN MITES. As far as that banded ball it is fat and healthy and a great eater .I have proof from the person I was gonna trade it to ,they seen it the day before I shipped it to you .They are a well known dealer do you need there info to ask them ? Now there's both sides of the story....Thanks Jerry Tubbs AS FOR THE MITES, I TOLD YOU THEY OBVIOUSLY COULD NOT HAVE BEEN THAT BAD BECAUSE I HAD NOT NOTICED YET. I HAD JUST GOTTEN ONE OF THE BOAS (THE REALLY NICE ONE YOU KEPT AND SOLD FOR $40) FROM A PET STORE, AND MY GUESS THAT IS WHERE THE MITES CAME FROM. SORRY, IT HAPPENS. THERE IS NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO TO 100% AVOID MITES IF THEY GET NEW REPTILES!!! I NEVER OFFERED TO PAY YOU 20 BUCKS TO GET RID OF THEM!!!! FUCK YOU LIAR!! IT COSTS ABOUT $5 FOR A BOTTLE OF MITERX AND IT LASTS THROUGH MANY TREATMENTS ON MANY SNAKES!!! AND VEGETABLE OIL IS LIKE $00.50, SO STOP LIEING!!! AND AGAIN, FUCK YOU JERRY, YOU KEPT A VERY NICE BOA THAT DOES RETAIL FOR THAT PRICE AROUND HERE. IF I HAD A SCANNER I WOULD SHOW EVERYONE HOW BEAUTIFUL IT WAS. AND THE COLOR CHANGING ONE WAS THE LESSER OF THE TWO, IT ISN'T EVEN PRETTY, IT JUST CHANGES COLOR AND I THINK THAT'S COOL. AND I NEVER OFFERED YOU ANY MONEY!!! LIAR LIAR LIAR!!! AND THAT SNAKE WAS TAME. TAME AS HELL. MAYBE HE KNEW THAT YOU SUCK AND BIT YOU OR SOMETHING, BUT HE WAS SO TAME!!!! I CAN GET RID OF MITES EASY. IF I WOULD HAVE KNOWN THEY HAD MITES I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN RID OF THEM FIRST. QUIT ACTING LIKE ITS SO HARD TO GET RID OF MITES. IF YOU KNOW HOW IT IS SIMPLE. AND ONCE AGAIN, THE BOA IS LOOKING ANOREXIC COMPARED TO HOW IT LOOKED WHEN I SENT IT TO YOU. I AM GONNA TAKE A PIC AND SEND YOU AND OLD PIC WITH THE NEW PIC, AND THEN MAYBE THAT WILL MAKE YOU REALIZE YOU ARE WRONG!!!! AND THE DEAL WAS NOT ONE OF MY BOAS FOR ONE REG. BALL PYTHON YOU DAMN LIAR!!! IT WAS FOR ONE OF MY BOAS, FOR EITHER A PAIR OF REGULARS OR ONE REALLY NICE ONE. EVERYONE KNOWS BOAS ARE WORTH MORE THAN A BALL PYTHON!!! BALL PYTHONS CAN BE BOUGHT FOR AS CHEAP AS $10, THE CHEAPEST I'VE EVER SEEN BOA IS $50, UNLESS YOU BUY QUANTITY.YOU CAN BALLS FOR LIKE $8 OR CHEAPER EACH IF YOU BUY QUANTITY!!! I BET YOURS ARE WC. THE BANDED ONE IS WILD AS HELL TOO, SO DON'T GRIPE AT ME SAYING THAT BOA WAS NOT TAME (EVEN THOUGH IT WAS!!!) BECAUSE THAT BALL ACTS LIKE IT HAS NEVER BEEN HELD. I HATE YOU JERRY TUBBS. YOU HAVE MADE ME SO MAD. YOU ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT I WOULD LOVE TO CALL YOU, BUT I KNOW YOU WILL GO POST EVERYTHING I SAY AND LEAVE OUT THE PARTS WHERE I PROVE YOU WRONG...SO IT IS POINTLESS, LEAVE ME ALONE JERRY, NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR YOU AND YOUR EXPLANATIONS AND JUSTIFICATIONS. JUST ADMIT YOU ARE NOT GOOD AT THIS BUSINESS AND YOU NEVER WILL BE. GO AWAY!!!! NOW THERE IS THE TRUE SIDE OF THE STORY AGAIN!!!! Here is what I got back from them.The reason I say them is because Joey makes the deal with me ,and his g-friend steps in .Tony this is to you the whole deal started when I posted that I wouldn't be sending ANYONES snakes out til after June 22nd.As everyone can go read and see the people that made the post saying I took toooooo long in shipping and thought they was being run out on like FRED TRIBBETT has done,but when they received there snakes EVERYONE can see they made post and they was good post not one of them was dissatisfied.The only one is this /these peoples who wrote that junk above.Now that you've seen both sides of the story tell me if I'm wrong .And if I am just let me know I can handle it, but I don't think I am. Webmaster , I agree with everyone else ,this is a great site.So I'm sorry this took up so much space ,but there is 2 sides to every story and I just wanted my say so here on this matter. To everyone hear ,since I'm supposed to be so stupid as some people say then answer thses ??? for me please . 1. How many of you have heard of a baby ball breaking it's neck by a seizure? 2.How many of you have heard of a customer that just can't be satisfied? 3.How many of you have heard of a boa costing 250 bucks that was a CA baby? 4. How many of you have heard of a snake shrinking in length? 5. How many people have heard of someone being told to stop emailing them because they would report them for vulgar language and that person doesnt't belieave them and gets reported and still emails the individual again? 6.So what can be done on that matter? 7. Didn't you belieave me Joey? As I said I'm not the smartest person and can learn something everyday,but I'm not the dumbest person on the net or fooling with snakes ,as it has been proved here . ps.Joey I told you to stop emiling me and cussing me and that I was serious and you have not begun to see what I'm talking about .Did ya get an email from toss yet? You will be getting more emails from them and also from other authorities. Thanks Jerry Tubbs |
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Re: Please read this and tell me what you guys think..
5811.html Posted At 22:05:54 07/14/2001 Some of this didn't post earlier ,so here it is again ok, here is the whole story on my experience with Jerry Tubbs. We made a deal to trade my colombian redtail boa for two or three of his ball pythons. I had two redtails for him to choose from, and he did not know which one he wanted, so i said i would send him both of them, and he could choose which one he wanted, and decide how many ball pythons he felt the boa he chose was worth, and send me the boa he did not want back with the ball pythons. so I sent him the boas.<<<<<< I waited for my shipment for weeks, and finally I could no longer get in touch with Jerry. <<<<<< He was not responding to my e-mails.<<< So I posted an ad asking if anyone knew how to get in touch with Jerry,<<<< Now I remember where I seen the ad and you asked for my phone # and it was given to you in a reply to that post ,now wasn;t it ? Yes it was . and someone e-mailed me with a link to a forum where there were numerous complaints on jerry.<<<<<<< How can you say numerous complaints when most of the people hasn't dealt with me ?? And the "true" complaints on bad deals there is 2 and both have been made right,isn't that what was supposed to happen? Yes it is ,you are just "one" of these people that can't be satisfied. including people who were also waiting on him to ship to them and getting no responses.<<< One person said she traded with jerry and received some sick snakes, and wanted a refund, but did not want any other snakes from him because of the sick snakes she received. <<< i don't know if that is true, but if it is he has hundreds of snakes and a spare bedroom could not provide adequate space for that many snakes.<<< So finally, after about a month of waiting, I got in touch with jerry. He told me some excuses about his kid being in the hospitol (I am not going to get into that out of respect for his kid). He said that was where he had been, and that was the reason for the delay. So I said ok, well then send me the snakes now. And he agreed to send them. <<<< So I waited some more. Honestly, how long does it take to pack and ship a few baby snakes? But, I figured I would give him the benefit of the doubt, and I figured he had enough problems with his kid, so I would be patient. well, I waited about 2 more weeks, and still no snakes. So after 2 months of waiting, I got back in touch with Jerry, and was a little upset, so he insisted that he call on the phone to explain. So he called and said he was having problems with his mother. (once again, i will not give details, out of respect for his mother) I read in that forum someone wrote that jerry tubbs was the king of excuses.<<< now, it may have all been true, but still, it does not take that long to pack and ship some snakes! Then, he kept saying he was going to ship for another month and did not. He said he was going to send me a nice banded ball, and if I wanted a few snakes he had that were runts. his exact words were that they were runts, so they were not guaranteed, but they ate and all, they were just a little skinny.<<<< So of course, who wouldn't take free snakes if they were just runts that did eat. I figured they had a great chance of survival if they ate. So finally I got the shipment. The first problem was the way he shipped them. They were in one of those liitle flat thin cardboard boxes you get at the post office. The box was from the post office I'm not denying that,but it was a 14x3.5x 8 inch cardboard box.To prove it (I mean the size and that it is cardboard, and not paper as you said in an email) ANYONE can go to there own POST OFFICE and look at them ...And you will see they are the same thickness in millimeters as cardboard boxes the other dealers send stuff out in. not a nice thick cardboard CRUSH PROOF box. <<<<< If you can get CRUSH PROOF,tell me where because I've never seen them.So please tell me where to get them . you know how they throw those boxes around in shipping. and accidents happen, people drop things!! there was a dent in the box from what looks like someone tossed it or dropped it. <<<<<< You was told live arrival guarantee on he snakes we traded for ,but not the runts.And you got them live. and it just had the word "fragile" scribbled on the top with a ball point pen. the sides were duct taped, with tiny holes poked with the ball point pen in the sides. the holes did not even go through the cardboard, so they were pointless!!! <<<<< Fragile was written on there and the duct tape was so the box wouldnt open it the same as boxing tape only stronger and thicker so I'm not denying that.And those are far from airtight boxes . When i opened the box, there was a lot of newspaper <<< Newspaper= padding. and a little tupperware container with a little condensation in it. I told him it was really hot and he needed to make sure it was cool enough in the box.<<<<<<< So he put some ice in that little container. but, the container was not leak proof! All the ice melted and the bag the snakes were in was all wet, it could have molded soon. NOT HEALTHY FOR THE SNAKES!!! <<<< the bag the snakes were in was made of some type of polyester blend sheet cut and sewn into a bag.<<<<<<< The bag was a pillowcase .How many of you ship in pillow cases? Isn't that what you shipped to me in?In a minute we'll talk about your shipping methods. All of the snakes were in one bag! True In that tiny box! Dimensions already given...It's not that small.. The material the bag was made of what not porous at all. So I guess it was an airtight pillow case ? YOU can stick it over your head and breath just fine ,just like the snakes could. So I slowly dump out the snakes scared to see what i would find since none of them were moving, and i get 4 baby ball pythons, and my boa back. First off, my boa was SMALLER than it was when i shipped it!! He had it for 3 months, and it was a yearling boa, and now it is smaller and really skinny. I confronted him about this, and he said that wasn't true, that he fed it a hopper a week. OK, a hopper a week is not enough for a baby growing yearling boa!<<<<<<< It was maintanance fed just like you was told it would be while in my possesion.Skinnier??? thats a lie out and out ..Smaller ???the snake grew 3 inches now how in the heck is that smaller? As for the ball pythons, the banded one was sort of healthy. it wasn't nice and fat, but it wasn't really skinny like the others.<<<<<< The other 3 were the "runts". Well, one was DEAD. It was dried out like some beef jerky left out in the sun, so it had been dead, because fresh dead snakes are like wet noodles until rigormortis(i know i spelled that wrong..) sets in, and this snake was way beyond just rigormortis. it had been dead for a while.<<<< the next "runt" wasn't moving and was skin and bones. looked like it had never eaten. and it didn't flick its tongue at all and looked dead.Once again you're telling a lie. the next one was active, but really skinny...how i expected all the runts to be. The one that was skin and bones had something very wrong. maybe underdeveloped or some other type of birth defect. It wasn't anything that could happen during shipping. I watched it have seizures for a few days, then it attacked the ringed ball, so i put it in a seperate enclosure.Well if you all that good of a herp keeper like you wanted me to think or other people to think ,then you should have known to keep them in a seperate container or cage from the get go . . The next day, i watched it strike at nothing, have seizures that were more violent, and bite itself. you can't imagine how hard that is to watch because there was nothing i could do. it was on its side jerking and hanging its tongue out of its gaping mouth...it was horrible. I was on the verge of putting it the freezer to humanely end its suffering, when it finally seized really bad and broke its own neck. looked like its back was broken too, there was a big kink in it. And as for them eating, HA HA HA! I tried frozen/thawed pinkies, live pinkies, lizards and frogs. nothing. NONE of them eat, including the "healthy" one.<<< I let jerry know i was pissed, and he just kept saying stupid stuff, like had done nothing wrong. whatever!!<<<<<<<< I still say i haven't exept for sending you those runts even though you was told several times on the phone what the deals was with them and you said" I don't care I still want them .... my neighbor was at my house when i received the package, and he is friends with the folks up at animal control, and he is letting them know about this.<<<<< He said that he has shipped the same way to other people and had no complaints, i just want to say that those people need to step up and say that it was wrong, because it was really bad. <<< You sent me the snakes in a 4x4x6 inch box. They came to me with mites . I told you about this ,you said"I'm sorry I'll pay you 20 bucks for taking care of them . So I did ,but I also told you not to worry bout the money . The thing that bothered me was you sent them to my collection or could have. You said "the boas are dark I just missed them cause I check them all the time. " Well you must not look that hard because as soon as I got them out of the box I spotted 3 of them then I found more after looking your snakes over .You was told this and you kept saying" sorry but I don't know how I missed them,but I'll pay you to get rid of them for me ". I told you again "just forget it ". The trade was for 1 ball regular for either one of you boas, then when I received them you told me "you better send me some good shit because I payed 250 for that"GREY PHASE BOA" and I payed over 200 for the other one that "CHANGES COLORS".Dud I hate to tell you but the one that changes colors is just a regular boa and the grey phase was a CA boa.In other words you got took, if you payed that much for them.I kept the lesser of the 2 snakes.And I told you this on the phone after getting them.Bottom line is you got what you was supposed to get and I got stuck with cleaning your snake(s) up to get rid of mites and taming down your ca that I kept . Now I have proof of what your snakes had(mites) as one of those people I mentioned was here and seen them and I have proof the one I kept was a CA , from the person who bought it from me .And hey you got your boa backand it's longer,just as fat if not more,and the best part NO FREAKIN MITES. As far as that banded ball it is fat and healthy and a great eater .I have proof from the person I was gonna trade it to ,they seen it the day before I shipped it to you .They are a well known dealer do you need there info to ask them ? Now there's both sides of the story....Thanks Jerry Tubbs |
| Jerry Tubbs |
Re: Please read this and tell me what you guys think..
5812.html Posted At 22:13:06 07/14/2001 I don't know why, but some of my replies are not showing up.Sorry for posting so much .Thanks Jerry Tubbs |
| Brett Mazimann |
Re: Please read this and tell me what you guys think..
5814.html Posted At 22:42:19 07/14/2001 No offense Jerry, but don't you think that your 1,000 posts have used up enough of this websites resources? I'm not trying to knock you! But if the 1,000 posts that have to do with you,the threads about this Jeremy MXracer kid and Carlos vs Don Mercer were deleted then Rich Z (Webmaster)wouldn't have the problems he is with having to upgrade his server once a month! Think before you waste more valuble space. Once again ,I'm not knocking you! Just trying to make you aware of the problem. Rich has gone, in my opinion, way beyond the call of duty for this site. Try not to abuse it SO MUCH! |
| Jerry Tubbs |
Re: Please read this and tell me what you guys think..
5832.html Posted At 08:30:22 07/15/2001 None taken,but don't you think you overdid it a little with "1000 post"? I understand you are trying to makea point ,but the fact is I didn't write ALL the post about me .It seems when there is someone that thinks I was a bad guy ,then noone complained about that ,but since I'm asking INFO and placing my side of the story then it bothers some of you people .Why ?,BECAUSE I think people are staring to realize that I'm not this "bad guy that everyone thought I was. The reason I say that is because people have seen I've made my wrongs right.Imean let's get real here the 2 true bad guy comments I have are from JordanRussell and Kim Houser and both of them have stated or at least Jordan has ,that it was settled,but people kept ragging on it and NOONE stepped up and said ok let's drop it because it's using up to much space. They just kept going on to say how bad I was and noone seemed to care then that it was using more space. That is before Rich started having trouble with the space on here ,but it helped go towrds these impending problems.So until Rich tells me "Jerry do not make any more post " then I will continue to do so ,since this is the board of INQUIRY. I will continue to ask advice or INFO on a certain individual or how you people would handle yourself in a certain deal. Is that wrong ? No it's not ,but that's just my .02 cents. So let me have it if I'm wrong . Thanks Jerry Tubbs |
| Webmaster |
Re: Please read this and tell me what you guys think..
5835.html Posted At 10:18:36 07/15/2001 Jerry - Please do not make multiple posts that are basically repeating themselves, nor include the profanity in such messages even though that is how you received them. You've got three posts in this thread that are basically repeats, which I don't believe was necessary. Thanks. |
| Brett Mazimann |
Re: Please read this and tell me what you guys think..
5842.html Posted At 11:43:28 07/15/2001 Jerry, I never said you were a bad guy or made 1000's of posts yourself. And I understand perfectly that you want to clear your name! But in a nutshell ,if you scroll up and down this message board, and look at just the reply collumn, most that have over 20 posts have to do with either Jeremy(mxracer),Carlos vs Don Mercer or yourself. What I'm saying is, just because the Board is here,and just because it is free(for now), doesn't mean it should be abused. I understand your wanting to find out if specific dealers are good or bad. We all do! I'm not trying to point my finger at you saying that you should be banned from posting here. We all,thanks to Rich, have the right to post here within the rules and regulations. Just try to use better Judgement when posting. For instance,instead of copying and pasting those e-mails(which were a violation due to the foul language on them) you could of just said that he e-mailed you vulgar messages and said that anyone who wanted to read them could e-mail you and you could foward them to them. I basically pay $250 a year for my 50 megabites of server space. Imagine what Rich has to pay(considering my site uses a fraction of what this site does) and has to constantly upgrade every few months. Thats all! Regards, Brett |
| Jerry Tubbs |
Re: Please read this and tell me what you guys think..
5843.html Posted At 11:52:10 07/15/2001 Rich , you said before if "the post ads new info ,then it's ok to post it" .Well that's what I thought I did.As far as the language that's not me (as you pointed out) , but I've seen some post on here just as bad, that you haven't said anything about.In your rules it says there is a freedom of speech ,doesn't that include emails too?Now, everytime I ask you about a rule you seem to prove me wrong,that's why I ask because I don't understand some of them.I am NOT trying to sound sarcastic,but I'm just a little misunderstood in the rules AND if ya don't know or understand something ,then you ask about it.So that's all I'm doing here .As many people people have said "this is a good site" , but for the last few weeks I've been trying to stay within the rules and it seems I'm not doing it ,so when I come to something that Idon't know or understand I'll just ask about it .Thanks Jerry Tubbs |
| Webmaster |
Re: Please read this and tell me what you guys think..
5850.html Posted At 13:24:57 07/15/2001 Jerry - look at those three posts you made and not how much duplication there is in all three of them. Do you really think that was necessary? Yes you can add new info in a new message, but to duplicate a substantial portion of another posted message is not only unneccesary, it also wastes valuable space on this message board. And yes perhaps there are other posts in here with profanity in them, but I certainly don't have the time to read every message. When I do read one and it's bad enough to offend me I just delete it. I tend to use colorful language my self, but not when I am posting messages in public. Freedom of speech has nothing at all to do with common courtesy and using offensive language in public. If you are not aware of the difference, then perhaps your upbringing was not what it should have been. Actually, this message board is supposed to have the facility to filter out messages with profanity in them, so I have no idea how they actually are getting through. Sorry if you feel paranoid, but I tend to only read threads that have a large number of posts on them, to see why there is so much activity there, and do not read all of the others posted on this board. You seem to be a very controversial person, so your threads seem to gather a lot of traffic. It's the traffic patterns that attract my attention and not you in particular. Usually it takes someone else bringing messages in less traveled threads to my attention before I will even notice it. But it is my opinion that you seem to be inclined to take any rule and try to push it to it's very limits and then cry foul when I call you down about it. Use some common sense in your postings and get the idea out of your head that this can be your public soapbox. I'm sorry if my actions displease you, but that's just the way it is, I guess. |
| brittney latil and joey smith |
Re: Please read this and tell me what you guys think..
5873.html Posted At 18:49:40 07/16/2001 i will stop e-mailing you when you fess up to what you did and QUIT LIEING!,jerry. nobody cares about your little whiney posts. you screwed me over. period. just admit it!!! you wouldn't need to ASK people to post good things about you if you did good business, would you? go ahead and contact your "authorities". you are just hurting yourself and making yourself look like more a punk than you already are. and yes i have spoken with TOS. I explained to them why i sent you those "vulgar" messages...so give it up. you can't get me in trouble when i did nothing wrong!!!! |
| Tony Bedell |
Re: Please read this and tell me what you guys think..
5913.html Posted At 11:51:12 07/17/2001 Hi everybody, I just got this E-mail from Britany(sp) and I really kind of think that she may be a child from the way she is doing things. It is like she is trying to take away all of Jerry's customers. Anyways you can read it for yourself. ---------------------------------------------------------------- hi i just read your post...and i can tell you are pals with jerry or something... tha reason i am pissed about the runts is because he told me they were runts that eat, but they were not just runts! he made it sound like they were fine, just small..but one was dead when i got them, one died 2 days ago..it had seizures all week and finally died from the last seizure. i did not agree to having to watch that snake have seizures all week!! and i know that snake had seizures when jerry had it, because it was BAD!!! so quit taking up for that bastard!!! yes they were free, but he pnly sent me one healthy ball, and the original deal was for him to send me TWO healthy balls for a boa. not one healthy and 3 almost dead!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Now that wouldn't have bothered me but this is what I posted in here, I don't think I am sticking up for Jerry, I just asked a question. Re: Please read this and tell me what you guys think.. 5788.html Posted At 00:59:22 07/14/2001 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just read the last post on here, and I was just wondering did you pay for them? It sound's like Jerry gave them to you for free because they were runt's. If they were free I don't understand why you are so upset about it. I have learned over the year's that nothing is free, sure people have given me animal's for free but those ones always seem to cost me the most money. IE Vet Bill's, and what not. Anyway's I was just wondering what the deal was. Tony Bedell ---------------------------------------------------------------- So Britany grow up, get out of the herping, and just leave everyone alone with your psycho-bable. Tony Bedell |
| Jerry Tubbs |
Re: Please read this and tell me what you guys think..
5917.html Posted At 14:47:04 07/17/2001 Subj: Re: (no subject) Date: 4/30/01 9:18:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: Brittney3336 To: Jerrytubbs1 Sent on: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 a reg ball would be fine with me. as long as it eats. i have tons of mediterranean geckos, tons of heiroglyphic river cooters, and redeared sliders. a pair (m/f) of five lined skinks, a m/f pair of broadhead skinks, a pair of 3 toed amphiumas, let me know. Well I know I said I would leave it alone ,but there is proof by this copied and pasted email that what they said was for one ball. Tony , I did get a kick out of that LOL..... Thanks for sharing.As far as taking my business and customers away I'll simply say that won't happen.I have been receiving emails from other people that have dealt with them and guess what they are the least bit satisfied,but I will not post them here as they have vulgar language in them and Rich has asked me not to ,so if any one wants to see just email me ..Brittney and Joey look bottom line is what I say i have said and can post, I can.What I say I can prove, I can .I've already proved one of the things you said ,in your email above . Now I've told you in private and I'm telling you in public,DO WHAT YA NEED TO DO , but everything is started to turn here as from the emails and posts above ,so just drop it or GO WITH IT , whatever makes NO diffrence to me .BTW you have a few excuses your self don't you? And how are you gonna say my way of shipping is neglect ,when you say you let your lizards lay in there own sh_t and keep them in a deep freeze the way you do and then you say all you care about is the animals ...Now there is a hypocrit for ya..........Thanks Jerry Tubbs |
| Darin Chappell |
Re: Please read this and tell me what you guys think..
5927.html Posted At 17:52:39 07/17/2001 I don't know anyone involved. I have no interest in doing business with either of them, however, because of the way in which they have comported themselves on this board. That being said, I will say this: I have never seen a snake shrink in length! No matter how little it is fed, a snake keeps the bone mass it has currently acrued. It may shrivel to the thinnest of possible creatures . . .but SHRINK in LENGTH? |