OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER

Author Subject: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
Jerry Tubbs Posted At 00:36:21 07/26/2001
Let me start out asking how many of you gaurantee free snakes? When the person receiving them are told ther are NO guarantees . Whether they are not what someone was"expecting" even when they was told what the snakes was like. What about if they showed up DOA? What if they died a day or 2 or 3 days later ? What about a week later? What about a month later? What if they didn't eat in a week or 2? Well you guys get the point.

That's a simple question and I would like everyones input on this matter. So those of you who don't like me and those of you who do ,let me here what you have to say .Although there is way more who do than don't. Even the people who used to yell at me or rag on me , see my real deals have gone good and I've only had two problems(and it was 2 too many as i've learned) with anyone and they was settled, and here they are JORDAN RUSSELL AND KIM HOUSER. And those two people said it was settled , Well I'm getting off the point here.

So everyone that's got the time to reply , please do on the matter of guarantees on free snakes . My opinion is there is no guarantee so I shouldn't replace anything or give out any more free snakes as a replacement or compensation to that party .If I'm wrong let me know and I'll go with the majority on this one .Majority rules correct? lol Thanks Jerry Tubbs
Michael Mastison Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6331.html Posted At 00:48:06 07/26/2001

I would have to agree Jerry. Would you hear about anyone complaining if it was free money? Damn! "This corner is ripped and somebody washed it!" That's what it is when you give away a free reptile. If the person(s) that receives the free herp, can get it to eat, or bring it back to full health, and this is if it is needed. Then that person(s) has just saved a good amount of money by not having to purchase that reptile. Not only that, but they can now sell it, so it is a 200% prophet. No worries Jerry,your in the right on this.
Neil Gubitz - The Snake Pit Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6333.html Posted At 01:00:37 07/26/2001

WHAT AN IDIOT!! If you gave me FREE SNAKES, and they died? I'd want DOUBLE my money back!! Yeah, right!! I just can't get over the GREED of some people! Jerry, don't let it upset you, just DON'T do ANYTHING else for them!! Make believe they don't exist...BECAUSE THEY SHOULDN'T!! What a CROCK!!.
Ian Dungan Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6338.html Posted At 02:31:56 07/26/2001

Ask Matt Siewell, I traded him a blood python about 2 months ago. He e-mailed me stating that the snake had died. No questions asked, no doubting his word...he had a new snake completely free of charge within 2 days.
That's a guarantee.


Ian Dungan

JERRY TRESSER Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6339.html Posted At 05:10:51 07/26/2001

Iam not to sure about this " free snake business " but I am sure about the Limit of Liability. In our business of Reptile dealings, we only provide a 24 hour guarantee. I dont want to be married to the purchaser. If you do not place some kind of limitation on the sale, then you are open for a variety of continued problems that could be " well beyond your control." Once the item changes hands, who knows what that person may or may not do with the animal. It is also concevieable that a purchaser could very easily notify the credit card people up to six months even after the sale. How much does the seller have to endure to insure the sale is FINAL!
Tony Basica Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6342.html Posted At 07:15:05 07/26/2001

If it was an animal bred at my facility they get a 48 hour health guarantee otherwise if it was just sold by me its a 24 hour health guarantee. Much longer than that and too many things can go wrong. I had a deal where they claimed well over a month later the animal passed away???? In a months time there are soooo many things that can go wrong. I also require either the body returned or a necropsy performed on the deceased both for my comfort and the buyers of which I will either pay for or reimburse for if the case warrants. Now as for getting snakes for free well its been said a million times "you get what you pay for" SO STOP WHINNING ABOUT IT AND GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE !!!!
Sorry you are in yet another debacle Jerry, I think people are just seeking you out to make your life miserable. Hope you son is doing well.
Tony
Jerry Tubbs Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6343.html Posted At 07:19:58 07/26/2001

Ian, you didn't read the post very well. These snakes was GIVEN away for FREE. You done a trade I GAVE away those snakes for free. No trading ,no buying , they was Given away for FREE, theres a diffrence here .Now do you see what I'm asking ?

Jerry, I provide the same with purchased or traded animals, but what I'm asking is ,if I gave you a free snake and it died or whatever would you want compensation for that free snake?

Come on guys help me out here I would like to have a few opinions on this.Give me your opinions on should I gaurantee a free snake. Would you gaurante a free snake? I already gave my opinion, but I'm gonna close this deal with whatever the majority says about it and I say anything I give away for free, comes with NO GUARANTEE.Now tell me your opinions ,please. Thanks Jerry Tubbs
Jerry Tubbs Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6349.html Posted At 08:17:10 07/26/2001

I am NOT taking up for him ,but what's he got to do with my question , Will? I had another post on here that started as something and ended up as something else , now the same thing is starting here . What is your email addy because this one come back as permant fatal errors? Thanks Jerry Tubbs
Bluegrass Herp - Kris Mays Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6356.html Posted At 11:49:14 07/26/2001

If the animals were free, I wouldn't offer a guarantee of any kind. It's ludicrous to expect one in my opinion. I don't believe that free animals come by too often and people don't typically give away 100% super healthy animals for free. With that in mind, if something happened, then the person didn't get quite the deal they were hoping for, but you don't owe them anything. Tell them to BUY some animals if they'd like guarantees.


Kris
Ian Dungan Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6358.html Posted At 12:20:30 07/26/2001

If they were GIVEN then i agree, no guarantee.
Ciro Spina Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6381.html Posted At 17:53:21 07/26/2001

I think you all are overlooking a very important variable. Why were the snakes free? If it was because of your good nature, then yeah, they don't deserve anything. However, if they were "free" because of previous deads or because you were trying to fix a bad deal or something of that nature, then it should be replaced. Further, if it was because you sent deads before, you should find a new supplier of reptiles. :P


Ciro Spina
Jerry Tubbs Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6388.html Posted At 19:09:11 07/26/2001

They was free because they was skinny and I didn't have the time to fool with them . They was NOT replacement snakes . The individuals was told they are skinny and may die do to shipping they said ok .So I sent them and they got a DOA and one died a couple days later and the other is still alive ,but does not eat as I was told , but they ate for me and they ate from my supplier but they was runts and needed to catch up .The snakes was skinny runts that I had no time to fool with as the individual who got them was told. They also was told NO GUARANTEE at all of any sort . So I hope this helps clear things up a little .Thanks Jerry Tubbs
Kim R Customer Service and Guarantee's
6510.html Posted At 15:29:05 07/29/2001

Hi Jerry,
You shouldn't worry about this at all, it is good to get information ahead of time. Write down any gaurantee you plan on having with any animals and the limitations, basically set it in stone. Make sure it is on your website, in the mailings, and in shipped boxes. Then say refer to your gaurantee, most times you may hear some complaining but it shouldn't be ongoing.

When it comes to free animals I would do the same thing say 100% no gaurantee on the animals, give them an invoice showing no charge and reasons, keep for records. You shouldn't need to go this far with dealing with greedy people, and believe me there are many greedy people that want everything for nothing.

I wish you the best of luck

Kim R
snake lady-Wendy Hutchings Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6549.html Posted At 18:01:40 07/30/2001

I agree if they were free no guarantee. However is it really ethical to ship snakes that are in such poor condition? I personally think it's really unfair to the animal & down right unethical to ship animals that are likely to die from disease. You do not however owe them a refund or replacement snakes.
JOEY SMITH Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6769.html Posted At 00:04:08 08/04/2001

OK, JERRY. FREE SNAKES ARE ONE THING BUT DISEASED SNAKES ARE ANOTHER. NO PEOPLE, I NEED YOUR OPINION ON THIS, IF SOMEONE SENDS YOU WHAT THEY CALL FREE SNAKES BUT THEY ARE DISEASED DYING SNAKES, WOULDN'T YOU BE PISSED TOO? YEP, I KNOW YOU WOULD.
AS FOR YOU JERRY, YOU OWED ME ONE HIGH DOLLAR BALL PYTHON, OR TWO LOW DOLLAR BALL PYTHONS, WHAT YOU SENT ME WAS ONE LOW DOLLAR HEALTHY BALL (I'LL ADMIT THAT) AND 3 DISEASED ONES THAT YOU TOLD ME THE ONLY THING WRONG WITH THEM IS THAT THEY WERE SKINNY. NOT THAT THEY WERE DYING. ONE I THINK WAS DEAD BEFORE YOU SHIPPED, AND ONE DIED THE NEXT DAY OF SEIZURES AND I GOT TO WATCH HIM BITE HIMSELF AND HAVE SPASMS, AND ONE DIED THE OTHER NIGHT. HE WOULDN'T EAT OR EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE FOOD.
SO FREE SNAKES, HUH? (NOT TO MENTION THE THREE MONTHS YOU KEPT MY SNAKES AND ME CALLING OFF THE DEAL AND WANTING MY BOA BACK BUT YOU HAD ALREADY SOLD MY BOA SO YOU SAID YOU'D GIVE ME A BALL PYTHON WORTH $200 AND 2 FREE RUNTS THAT ATE) REMEMBER THAT? I SUPPOSE YOU DID THE SAME THING TO THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE POST WHAT YOU DID TO ME. SO, YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR NARROW MIND AND REALIZE THAT YOU ARE IN THE WRONG AND YOU RIPPED ME OFF BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING.
AS FOR EVERYONE ELSE WHO LIKES TO HEAR THEIR OWN THOUGHTS, YOU NEED NOT POST ABOUT SOMEONE TO WHOM YOU'VE NEVER EVEN DONE BUSINESS WITH. JUST TYPING AGAINST PEOPLE TO READ WHAT YOU WROTE LATER. AND WHAT YOU ARE THINKING OF FREE SNAKES ARE FREE SNAKES, NOT VISABLY DISEASED, DYING ONES. MAYBE YOU SHOULD THINK SOME THINGS THROUGH BEFORE EVEN OPENING YOUR MOUTHS.
I HAVE PICS OF ONE OF JERRY'S SNAKES IF ANYONE WANTS TO SEE THE "RUNT", E-MAIL.
I PERSONALLY DON'T CARE WHAT ANY OF YOU THINK.
AND JERRY, YOU CAN TRY TO USE THIS IN THE COURTROOM THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO TAKE ME TO FOR MAKING POSTS ABOUT HOW SICK YOU ARE SENDING ME DYING SNAKES AND TREATING IT LIKE YOU WERE DOING US A FAVOR WHEN YOU KNEW ALL ALONG THAT THE SNAKE PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN MAKE IT THROUGH SHIPPING. I HAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE I NEED TO GET THE CASE DROPPED, UNLESS I DECIDE TO COUNTERSUE YOUR ASS, BECAUSE YOU DO OWE ME ANOTHER LOW DOLLAR BALL PYTHON,
I COULD ALSO GO TO ANIMAL CONTROL ON HOW YOU SHIPPED THOSE SNAKES TOO, THAT'S ANIMAL ABUSE.
5 SNAKES IN ONE BAG IN A PRIORITY MAIL BOX ONLY 2 SNAKES MADE IT AND ONE WAS MINE THAT HE WAS SENDING ME BACK THAT HE HAD STARVED FOR THE 3 MOS THAT HE KEPT (THE LITTLE THIN BOXES YOU GET FOR FREE AT THE POST OFFICE)
JERRY YOU ARE TOTALLY IN THE WRONG.

JERRY JUST DOES BAD BUSINESS. HE DID THE MOST HORRIBLE BUSINESS WITH ME THAT I'VE EVER DONE. A 15 YEAR OLD DID BETTER BUSINESS THAN JERRY DID. THE THING THAT GETS ME, JERRY, IS THAT YOU KNOW THIS IS THE TRUTH, YET YOU STILL TRY TO JUSTIFY IT.
WHY CAN'T YOU JUST ADMIT IT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GET THESE PEOPLE TO BACK YOU UP SO YOU WILL FEEL RIGHT WHEN YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE WRONG. SO HEY JERRY, TAKE THIS TO COURT:
KISS MY GODDAMN ASS...YOU RIPPED ME OFF...THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT, EXCEPT THE PART WHERE YOU JUST GET DOWN OFF YOU HIGH HORSE THAT ONLY EXISTS IN YOU HEAD AND TELL EVERYONE THAT YOU WERE VERY WRONG AND YOU RIPPED ME OFF. I HOPE YOU HAVE POLICE ESCORTS OR BODY GAURDS AFTER COURT JERRY, OR IT IS GONNA BE HELL. I FEEL SORRY FOR THE REPTILES AND YOUR "KIDS!!!!!" FOR HAVING YOU BE THE ONE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. THIS IS FAR FROM OVER,
SEE YOU IN COURT.........

JOEY SMITH Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6770.html Posted At 00:07:42 08/04/2001

OK, JERRY. FREE SNAKES ARE ONE THING BUT DISEASED SNAKES ARE ANOTHER. NO PEOPLE, I NEED YOUR OPINION ON THIS, IF SOMEONE SENDS YOU WHAT THEY CALL FREE SNAKES BUT THEY ARE DISEASED DYING SNAKES, WOULDN'T YOU BE PISSED TOO? YEP, I KNOW YOU WOULD.
AS FOR YOU JERRY, YOU OWED ME ONE HIGH DOLLAR BALL PYTHON, OR TWO LOW DOLLAR BALL PYTHONS, WHAT YOU SENT ME WAS ONE LOW DOLLAR HEALTHY BALL (I'LL ADMIT THAT) AND 3 DISEASED ONES THAT YOU TOLD ME THE ONLY THING WRONG WITH THEM IS THAT THEY WERE SKINNY. NOT THAT THEY WERE DYING. ONE I THINK WAS DEAD BEFORE YOU SHIPPED, AND ONE DIED THE NEXT DAY OF SEIZURES AND I GOT TO WATCH HIM BITE HIMSELF AND HAVE SPASMS, AND ONE DIED THE OTHER NIGHT. HE WOULDN'T EAT OR EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE FOOD.
SO FREE SNAKES, HUH? (NOT TO MENTION THE THREE MONTHS YOU KEPT MY SNAKES AND ME CALLING OFF THE DEAL AND WANTING MY BOA BACK BUT YOU HAD ALREADY SOLD MY BOA SO YOU SAID YOU'D GIVE ME A BALL PYTHON WORTH $200 AND 2 FREE RUNTS THAT ATE) REMEMBER THAT? I SUPPOSE YOU DID THE SAME THING TO THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE POST WHAT YOU DID TO ME. SO, YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR NARROW MIND AND REALIZE THAT YOU ARE IN THE WRONG AND YOU RIPPED ME OFF BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING.
AS FOR EVERYONE ELSE WHO LIKES TO HEAR THEIR OWN THOUGHTS, YOU NEED NOT POST ABOUT SOMEONE TO WHOM YOU'VE NEVER EVEN DONE BUSINESS WITH. JUST TYPING AGAINST PEOPLE TO READ WHAT YOU WROTE LATER. AND WHAT YOU ARE THINKING OF FREE SNAKES ARE FREE SNAKES, NOT VISABLY DISEASED, DYING ONES. MAYBE YOU SHOULD THINK SOME THINGS THROUGH BEFORE EVEN OPENING YOUR MOUTHS.
I HAVE PICS OF ONE OF JERRY'S SNAKES IF ANYONE WANTS TO SEE THE "RUNT", E-MAIL.
I PERSONALLY DON'T CARE WHAT ANY OF YOU THINK.
AND JERRY, YOU CAN TRY TO USE THIS IN THE COURTROOM THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO TAKE ME TO FOR MAKING POSTS ABOUT HOW SICK YOU ARE SENDING ME DYING SNAKES AND TREATING IT LIKE YOU WERE DOING US A FAVOR WHEN YOU KNEW ALL ALONG THAT THE SNAKE PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN MAKE IT THROUGH SHIPPING. I HAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE I NEED TO GET THE CASE DROPPED, UNLESS I DECIDE TO COUNTERSUE YOUR ASS, BECAUSE YOU DO OWE ME ANOTHER LOW DOLLAR BALL PYTHON,
I COULD ALSO GO TO ANIMAL CONTROL ON HOW YOU SHIPPED THOSE SNAKES TOO, THAT'S ANIMAL ABUSE.
5 SNAKES IN ONE BAG IN A PRIORITY MAIL BOX ONLY 2 SNAKES MADE IT AND ONE WAS MINE THAT HE WAS SENDING ME BACK THAT HE HAD STARVED FOR THE 3 MOS THAT HE KEPT (THE LITTLE THIN BOXES YOU GET FOR FREE AT THE POST OFFICE)
JERRY YOU ARE TOTALLY IN THE WRONG.

JERRY JUST DOES BAD BUSINESS. HE DID THE MOST HORRIBLE BUSINESS WITH ME THAT I'VE EVER DONE. A 15 YEAR OLD DID BETTER BUSINESS THAN JERRY DID. THE THING THAT GETS ME, JERRY, IS THAT YOU KNOW THIS IS THE TRUTH, YET YOU STILL TRY TO JUSTIFY IT.
WHY CAN'T YOU JUST ADMIT IT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GET THESE PEOPLE TO BACK YOU UP SO YOU WILL FEEL RIGHT WHEN YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE WRONG. SO HEY JERRY, TAKE THIS TO COURT:
KISS MY GODDAMN ASS...YOU RIPPED ME OFF...THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT, EXCEPT THE PART WHERE YOU JUST GET DOWN OFF YOU HIGH HORSE THAT ONLY EXISTS IN YOU HEAD AND TELL EVERYONE THAT YOU WERE VERY WRONG AND YOU RIPPED ME OFF. I HOPE YOU HAVE POLICE ESCORTS OR BODY GAURDS AFTER COURT JERRY, OR IT IS GONNA BE HELL. I FEEL SORRY FOR THE REPTILES AND YOUR "KIDS!!!!!" FOR HAVING YOU BE THE ONE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. THIS IS FAR FROM OVER,
SEE YOU IN COURT.........

Brittney Latil :) Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6772.html Posted At 00:31:48 08/04/2001

Hey Michael Mastison....
I want to talk to you about something you said earlier...
"That's what it is when you give away a free reptile. If the person(s) that receives the free herp, can get it to eat, or bring it back to full health, and this is if it is needed. Then that person(s) has just saved a good amount of money by not having to purchase that reptile. Not only that, but they can now sell it, so it is a 200% prophet. No worries Jerry,your in the right on this."
OK. what about if the person(s) could NOT get the "free" reptile to eat? And they can not sell it? And what about when they have to watch it starve to death and have seizures and bite itself and shrivel up and die? What do you think about that? And what about if the person that gave them the snake(s) told that person that the only thing wrong with them was that were just small, runts, but that they do in fact eat? And what about when that was a lie and the snakes were actually diseased and dying? And then when they send you one of your snakes back to you in one bag with 4 ball pythons that were diseased when your red tailed boa that is from a completely different part of the world and you don't know if that boa was WC or if those balls were WC. (The boa was CB, but I seriously think the balls were WC. ) And contaminate them...what do you do about that Mr. Mastison, or Mr. Tubbs? Do you like watching reptiles die? Does it hurt you like it hurts me? Or do you even care about the reptiles? Is it all just about the money? Who cares about money, money is stupid. The animals' lives are the most important thing here. All of you people must have forgotten that while you are all caught up in your stupid material possessions and your stupid pride. It's not about you. It's about them. (the reptiles) I hope you get eaten by a retic or a rock python after 1000 monitors chew on you. And after a really big BT skink poops in your mouth and on your face. That is what you deserve you selfish bastards. (i am talking to more than just Jerry Tubbs and Michael Mastison, there are more of you out there...) As for everyone else that still cares more about the reptiles than anything else, Happy Herping!:)

and by the way jerry, how come you reply to all your own posts more than anyone else? Do you have a lfe? Spend less time online and more time taking care of your reptiles and go back to grammer school. Didn't you ever learn what a suffix was? Or anything else?
Brittney Latil :) Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6776.html Posted At 01:08:21 08/04/2001

Hey Michael Mastison....
I want to talk to you about something you said earlier...
"That's what it is when you give away a free reptile. If the person(s) that receives the free herp, can get it to eat, or bring it back to full health, and this is if it is needed. Then that person(s) has just saved a good amount of money by not having to purchase that reptile. Not only that, but they can now sell it, so it is a 200% prophet. No worries Jerry,your in the right on this."
OK. what about if the person(s) could NOT get the "free" reptile to eat? And they can not sell it? And what about when they have to watch it starve to death and have seizures and bite itself and shrivel up and die? What do you think about that? And what about if the person that gave them the snake(s) told that person that the only thing wrong with them was that were just small, runts, but that they do in fact eat? And what about when that was a lie and the snakes were actually diseased and dying? And then when they send you one of your snakes back to you in one bag with 4 ball pythons that were diseased when your red tailed boa that is from a completely different part of the world and you don't know if that boa was WC or if those balls were WC. (The boa was CB, but I seriously think the balls were WC. ) And contaminate them...what do you do about that Mr. Mastison, or Mr. Tubbs? Do you like watching reptiles die? Does it hurt you like it hurts me? Or do you even care about the reptiles? Is it all just about the money? Who cares about money, money is stupid. The animals' lives are the most important thing here. All of you people must have forgotten that while you are all caught up in your stupid material possessions and your stupid pride. It's not about you. It's about them. (the reptiles) I hope you get eaten by a retic or a rock python after 1000 monitors chew on you. And after a really big BT skink poops in your mouth and on your face. That is what you deserve you selfish bastards. (i am talking to more than just Jerry Tubbs and Michael Mastison, there are more of you out there...) As for everyone else that still cares more about the reptiles than anything else, Happy Herping!:)

and by the way jerry, how come you reply to all your own posts more than anyone else? Do you have a lfe? Spend less time online and more time taking care of your reptiles and go back to grammer school. Didn't you ever learn what a suffix was? Or anything else?
Brittney Latil :) Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6777.html Posted At 01:16:37 08/04/2001

oh, and jerry, I never asked you to compensate for the 'free' snakes. I want you to compensate for the snake you said was worth $200 that was actually worth $30 and it had bumps all over it. oh, and the other one died. I beleive i sent you a picture? yes? yes. And I want you to admit that YOU ARE WRONG. You are such a liar!!!
You never said anything about not having time to fool with them. They have never eaten. give me your supplier's name & number. I want to talk to them. Who is it? The loading dock in Africa? Freaking imports. All they have is health problems. if anyone wants to see a picture of a snake that this guy says ate for him that died of starvation for me a week and a half after i got it let me know. Snakes don't die of starvation in a week and a half. And seizures aren't a result of shipping. And the one that was DOA was dry and stiff. If you sent the package at 7 pm and I got it at 10:30 am the next morning, why did it look like it had been dead for 2 days? If you want to see the pic of the other one that died, you can see what a fresh dead snake looks like. it's limp like a wet noodle. that snake had been dead a couple of hours when i took the pic and it was still limp. the DOA i got from you was dried up and looked like it had been in the sun for a few days. you are such a liar and a theif man. you make me sick.
Michael Mastison Re: OPINIONS NEED ON THIS MATTER
6846.html Posted At 00:18:21 08/06/2001

Hey Jerry. HAVE you EVER seen SOMEONE who NEEDS anger MANAGEMENT? LOL

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