EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more

Author Subject: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
Tony Basica Posted At 18:13:32 08/31/2001
FIRST OFF I KNOW THIS DOESN'T FOLLOW THE RULES HOWEVER THIS MATTER WILL AFFECT EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THE REPTILE WORLD !!!

The Humane Society of America is trying to ban personal ownership of reptiles and is stating approximately 93,000 people yearly catch salmonella from reptile exposure ! I'm taking a poll on the internet from everyone that had been around exposed to or worked with reptiles. If you have or have not PLEASE respond and let me know. I used to work with the local ASPCA and humane society, I need as many replies as possible to help add credibility. I need to know of everyone that has been around your animals, yourself etc. Please get me as much information as possible.
Thank you very much in advance.
Also if you wish to email me privately please do so.
Thanks again.
Tony Basica's Weirdsnakes
weirdsnakes@hotmail.com
alexandra callaway Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8491.html Posted At 18:36:24 08/31/2001

In the last eight years, I've never picked up salmonella from reptile exposure, neither has my husband, daughter, or son. I did get food poisoning from a restaurant in Galveston. (I hadn't been around my reptiles at ALL that day)
alex
John Apple Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8492.html Posted At 18:47:40 08/31/2001

In 20 or so years of being around herps
Owning and selling , catching them and so forth
I caught salmonella once and the source of the salmonella
was a popular grocery store in Naples Florida [sliced turkey was the culprit]
At the time I caught it I had in my posession about 25 + or-
reptiles including 3 Iguanas
Hope this helps
Apple
steve barringer Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8493.html Posted At 19:26:50 08/31/2001

same here. i've been catching herps since i was 6 or 7 years old and keeping large quantities of herps for the last ten years or so and i've never had any salmonella probs nor has anyone that's been with me and my hobby in that time.
steve
Thomas Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8494.html Posted At 19:32:12 08/31/2001

I contracted Salmonella about five years ago, I work with and keep reptiles. It is rare for adults to get but when they do they say its pretty bad. I almost died, I lost so much blood from internal bleeding they almost had to give me a blood transfusion. It is very important to keep your hands clean especially if you have children! you may carry it and not know or feel the affects but children are more vulnerable so please think about them.

Thanks,Thomas
Glenn BE CAREFUL HOW YOU ANSWER ARE YOU FEEDING THE FIRE????
8495.html Posted At 19:45:50 08/31/2001

First of all let me address Thomas' post stating that he contracted salmonella. Are you certain that you caught this from your reptiles? Were the reptiles checked by health authorities and found to have salmonella, and if so was it the same strain that you had contracted? Were the authorities certain that you contracted the disease from the herps and not that you transmitted it to them. Salmonella is more likely to be contracted from under cooked poultry such as chicken or from cooking utensils used to handle the fowl and then used on other food items (such as a knife used to cut both the poultry and vegetables before cooking).


Now on to everyone else, beware of to whom you give such information, maybe you are giving ammunition to your enemies without realizing it!
Dawn Zielinski Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8498.html Posted At 20:21:30 08/31/2001

: Report urges ban on reptiles as pets
: Humane Society cites danger, salmonella risk

: Friday, August 31, 2001

: By Jonathan D. Silver, Post-Gazette Staff Writer

HSUS will not take email (suprise suprise), but I got this physical addy from another forum in here... I REALLY think it would be a good idea to write these people a letter and let them know what you think of this INSANE proposal!!

The Humane Society of the United States
2100 l St. N.W.
Washington DC 20037



: Even as police continue to investigate the death of Amber Mountain, the Westmoreland County girl who was asphyxiated by her family's pet snake last week, a new report questions whether people should keep such animals in their homes.

: Although it is estimated that 9 million reptiles and amphibians are owned in the U.S. as part of a growing $2 billion-a-year industry, the Humane Society of the United States is calling for an end to the reptile trade.

: "The Humane Society of the United States is deeply concerned about this trend, because of the inhumane treatment of animals; the conservation problems; and the threat to human health, agricultural animals and wildlife," the group wrote in a soon-to-be-published report titled "Reptiles as Pets: An Examination of the Trade in Live Reptiles in the United States."

: The society is keeping up with the Amber Mountain case. Amber, of Irwin, was rushed to the hospital Aug. 22 after her family's 10-foot Burmese python wrapped itself around the girl's neck, according to what her mother told police. She died one week ago of compression of the neck and chest.

: The python was one of five exotic snakes owned by the family. Irwin Police Chief John Karasek said the snake apparently escaped from its tank, which was usually kept in the parents' bedroom.

: "The death of Amber Mountain is a tragedy," Humane Society spokeswoman Rachel Querry wrote in a letter accompanying a copy of the report sent to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

: "The fact that her death was apparently caused by her family's pet reptile makes this story a cautionary tale for any other family that has pet pythons and for anyone considering purchasing one as a pet. But other reptiles also pose risks to humans, particularly children."

: All reptiles carry salmonella bacteria, the society said. Each year, 93,000 people in the U.S. contract salmonella infections from contact with a pet reptile or contaminated surfaces. About 20 of them die each year, the society estimates.

: In its 146-page report, filled with tables and pictures, the society declares reptiles should not kept as pets.

: People who already own reptiles should properly care for them and follow handling guidelines established by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the society said. If they can't, the society suggests either having the pets euthanized by a veterinarian or giving them to an animal control center.

: "While recognizing that there are many individuals who are able to provide expert levels of care to captive reptiles, the Humane Society of the United States recommends that reptiles not be kept as pets by the general public, not be given away as prizes or gifts and not be kept in day-care centers, at schools, at fairs, or at other places where they might be handled by the public, particularly children," the society concluded.

: Dolly Ellerbrock, president of the Pittsburgh Herpetological Society, was surprised by the report's conclusions.

: "I think they better rethink this, and I know there are going to be people who will be outraged about this," Ellerbrock said.

: The report disputes the pet industry's "marketing ploy" that reptiles are easier to care for than dogs or cats. The truth is just the opposite, the society said.

: "In fact, providing proper care for reptiles is very difficult," according to the report. "There are hundreds of species being traded, and each has its own particular husbandry requirements, which, for many species, are not even known."

: In its chapter on retail pet stores, the report notes that large reptiles, such as Burmese pythons, can cause serious harm to their owners.

: The report mentioned a 19-year-old New York man who was killed several years ago when his 13-foot Burmese python "apparently mistook his owner for a food item."

: More than 7,000 Burmese pythons were imported to the U.S. in 1997, the report said.

: "There are many documented attacks of Burmese pythons killing people by coiling around them and asphyxiating them," according to the report.

: In the aftermath of Amber's death, Karasek, the Irwin police chief, intends to ask council to consider an ordinance requiring that all exotic pets in the borough be registered with police, fire and ambulance personnel.

: "It's after the fact, yes," said Karasek. "But now we must consider what could happen to others, such as emergency personnel, when they enter homes with exotic animals."



Dawn Zielinski Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8500.html Posted At 20:25:07 08/31/2001

: Report urges ban on reptiles as pets
: Humane Society cites danger, salmonella risk

: Friday, August 31, 2001

: By Jonathan D. Silver, Post-Gazette Staff Writer

HSUS will not take email (suprise suprise), but I got this physical addy from another forum in here... I REALLY think it would be a good idea to write these people a letter and let them know what you think of this INSANE proposal!!

The Humane Society of the United States
2100 l St. N.W.
Washington DC 20037



: Even as police continue to investigate the death of Amber Mountain, the Westmoreland County girl who was asphyxiated by her family's pet snake last week, a new report questions whether people should keep such animals in their homes.

: Although it is estimated that 9 million reptiles and amphibians are owned in the U.S. as part of a growing $2 billion-a-year industry, the Humane Society of the United States is calling for an end to the reptile trade.

: "The Humane Society of the United States is deeply concerned about this trend, because of the inhumane treatment of animals; the conservation problems; and the threat to human health, agricultural animals and wildlife," the group wrote in a soon-to-be-published report titled "Reptiles as Pets: An Examination of the Trade in Live Reptiles in the United States."

: The society is keeping up with the Amber Mountain case. Amber, of Irwin, was rushed to the hospital Aug. 22 after her family's 10-foot Burmese python wrapped itself around the girl's neck, according to what her mother told police. She died one week ago of compression of the neck and chest.

: The python was one of five exotic snakes owned by the family. Irwin Police Chief John Karasek said the snake apparently escaped from its tank, which was usually kept in the parents' bedroom.

: "The death of Amber Mountain is a tragedy," Humane Society spokeswoman Rachel Querry wrote in a letter accompanying a copy of the report sent to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

: "The fact that her death was apparently caused by her family's pet reptile makes this story a cautionary tale for any other family that has pet pythons and for anyone considering purchasing one as a pet. But other reptiles also pose risks to humans, particularly children."

: All reptiles carry salmonella bacteria, the society said. Each year, 93,000 people in the U.S. contract salmonella infections from contact with a pet reptile or contaminated surfaces. About 20 of them die each year, the society estimates.

: In its 146-page report, filled with tables and pictures, the society declares reptiles should not kept as pets.

: People who already own reptiles should properly care for them and follow handling guidelines established by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the society said. If they can't, the society suggests either having the pets euthanized by a veterinarian or giving them to an animal control center.

: "While recognizing that there are many individuals who are able to provide expert levels of care to captive reptiles, the Humane Society of the United States recommends that reptiles not be kept as pets by the general public, not be given away as prizes or gifts and not be kept in day-care centers, at schools, at fairs, or at other places where they might be handled by the public, particularly children," the society concluded.

: Dolly Ellerbrock, president of the Pittsburgh Herpetological Society, was surprised by the report's conclusions.

: "I think they better rethink this, and I know there are going to be people who will be outraged about this," Ellerbrock said.

: The report disputes the pet industry's "marketing ploy" that reptiles are easier to care for than dogs or cats. The truth is just the opposite, the society said.

: "In fact, providing proper care for reptiles is very difficult," according to the report. "There are hundreds of species being traded, and each has its own particular husbandry requirements, which, for many species, are not even known."

: In its chapter on retail pet stores, the report notes that large reptiles, such as Burmese pythons, can cause serious harm to their owners.

: The report mentioned a 19-year-old New York man who was killed several years ago when his 13-foot Burmese python "apparently mistook his owner for a food item."

: More than 7,000 Burmese pythons were imported to the U.S. in 1997, the report said.

: "There are many documented attacks of Burmese pythons killing people by coiling around them and asphyxiating them," according to the report.

: In the aftermath of Amber's death, Karasek, the Irwin police chief, intends to ask council to consider an ordinance requiring that all exotic pets in the borough be registered with police, fire and ambulance personnel.

: "It's after the fact, yes," said Karasek. "But now we must consider what could happen to others, such as emergency personnel, when they enter homes with exotic animals."



Thomas Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8501.html Posted At 20:47:13 08/31/2001

Their were very many tests done in my situation, and it was found to be originated from a certain reptile I had. Myself as a reptile lover beleive that you cannot keep this kind of info especially related to health in the dark because of fear of losing the right to keep them.I do beleive these are extreme isolated incidences, but they should be known by both sides. I find this topic very intresting.

Thomas
Neil Gubitz - The Snake Pit - Tampa, FL Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8502.html Posted At 21:01:41 08/31/2001

Well folks, I've owned a Herp Shop for about four years now, and have been raising and breeding herps while most of you kids were still a figment in your mothers' eyes!! lol I've NEVER gotten sick from ANY reptile I've EVER owned (or sold!)! If you just take the BASIC precautions, i.e., washing after touching your herp; don't KISS them; don't put your fingers in your mouth when playing with your herp....the BASIC STUFF!! As I said...I've NEVER had a problem!
I can PROVE IT because over the years whenever I SHED now...it's in ONE PIECE!! lmao
Ciro Spina Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8503.html Posted At 21:12:43 08/31/2001

First, I have never contracted salmonella poisoning and I have had reptiles for the last 15 years.

Second, didn't they (the government) try to ban chickens because of salmonella and lost. I believe the name of the case was Schechter v. United States. If they couldn't ban chickens, why should they be able to ban reptiles?

Lastly, the originator of this thread should contact Mr. Fife, owner of Riparian Farms. He has a ton of info regarding salmonella and reptiles. A year ago he spoke to me about this and told me the percentage of reptile related salmonella cases is very low compared to all salmonella cases, I forget the actual percentage.

Ciro
Patrick Hughett @ North Texas Reptiles Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8504.html Posted At 21:40:09 08/31/2001

From what I understand, there have been many organizations that have tried to stop the keeping of certain animals by private owners....such as exotics, reptiles, etc., and all have lost. There is absolutely no way imaginable that any one organization can stop the keeping of all reptiles in private collections! I wouldn't put too much into your quest. No amount of e-mails, or letters, or anything else will stop them if that is what they intend to try...They will just end up in file 86. That's not even the tip of the iceburg.

Patrick Hughett
North Texas Reptiles
Eric Burkett Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8506.html Posted At 21:52:32 08/31/2001

Since '91, I have maintained a "HUGE" collection of various herps. Neither I, or my wife, or my 3 children ages 11,10,5, have ever had salmonella.
It is also my opinion, if you expect your pet herp to live in it's own fecal matter, you are begging for salmonella.
You would be surprised at the living conditions of salmonella ridden animals. This may not be 100%, but it has been in the cases I have see. ERIC
Des Harmon Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8507.html Posted At 22:00:06 08/31/2001

Never caught salmonella, but immediately after getting my savannah I got very ill. Since I suspected the lizard as a source, I got various tests and my illness turned out to be...cryptosporidium from bad water! It turned out that I could have made my lizard deathly ill instead of vice-versa.

Even though I obviously do not want the Humane Society or anyone else telling me what I can and cannot own, I do think they hhave a couple of points. First of all, day care centers are not good places for herps. It's hard to keep track of scrupulous handwashing in such situations, and little children are more vulnerable to salmonella. In addition, most reptiles are still _wild_ animals and as such are not quite so tolerant of handling.

Most people who have both young children and herps are very conscientious. I daresay that Amber Mountain's parents were not. Amber's sister died at the age of three months when her father rolled over on her while sleeping in a bed with her (source: AP news articles). I don't know how they kept their Burmese, but I suspect it wasn't under extremely secure conditions.

I do find it kind of ironic that the Humane Society recommends euthanasia for healthy, unabused reptiles. I guess we only need to be "humane" to dogs and cats, eh?
nathan callaway Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8511.html Posted At 22:33:02 08/31/2001

i've been keeping reptiles of all kinds for 23 years. i once became very ill when i was ten years old after handling a wild box turtle. my aunt (who also became ill) and i did not wash our hands well (what do you expect, we were 10 years old?) and were extremely ill for about ten days. no tests were ever done to determine the exact nature of our illness, and we had already released the box turtle.
after that hellish experience, i became nearly religious about washing my hands and hygene with my animals. it's not brain surgery, folks. WASH YOUR DAMN HANDS AND DON'T LET YOUR KIDS SUCK ON YOUR TURTLES!!!!!! since then i have married and have two children, ages five and a half and 11 months. both have been around reptiles their entire lives, and neither has been ill from our reptiles though my son is allergic to our cat...and i don't see the hsus out to ban cats. reptiles are pretty much hypo-allergenic.
also, have any of you ever BEEN to a humane society shelter? i'm sure there are plenty of well groomed, dedicated folks out there that really care about the animals they have charge of. but i haven't seen any. *shudders* i mean, have you ever seen the movie deliverance? i've gotten cats from shelters that had MOLD on their fur, for crying out loud. and then got looked at like i was a leper for asking if they ever did reptile rescues. are these the folks you want determining what you can and can't keep in your homes? we had better shape up folks...we've been asleep at the switch for too long...
joe fleenor Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8512.html Posted At 22:50:17 08/31/2001

I have kept reptiles in my home for years now and noone including myself has ever had salmonella.I have five kids and they all are very healthy and they have been around reptiles all their lives,which i don't clean water bowls in the kitchen and i never leave them unsupervised with any reptile.the kids know the rules,wash after handling reptiles and then use the waterless antibacterial hand soap,just to be on the safe side.I just wanted to put my two cents!!!! lol thanks,joe fleenor
Kristina Holoun-Field Salmonella...suggestions...politics...
8513.html Posted At 23:30:34 08/31/2001


OK-lots of topics in here-political and
I've never contracted salmonella from either the reptiles I keep nor the flock of chickens we have here. At the lab where I work, tests for toxoplasmosis (contractable from cats) are far more common than salmonella cultures. Lyme disease from ticks, Jakob-Crutzfeld's from cattle, and-hey!-chlamydia and gonorrhea (and more, OC) from PEOPLE! If the logic is to ban an animal that is *capable* of carrying disease, then the only rational solution is to off everything alive, including ourselves. A joke around the lab is that as incredibly versatile and persistent as viruses/bacteria are, they probably invented US as a means of transportation!
I respect life in all its forms, but we have to use our collective sense. All pets (and other cohorts) carry potential risks. I am not trying to diminish the potential seriousness of salmonella infection, but as others have said, you're more likely to get it from old deli meat or 'homestyle' eggnog than your reptiles as long as you take proper precautions. Wash your hands, quat your cages, keep it all clean. That's for all of our benefit. As for the Society, the whole article about Amber sounds like dangerous spin geared towards a ban that the hysteria over the escaped Black Forest down south, the recent changes in shippers' policies regarding herps, and the ball python in the rental car story has engendered/propulgated.
We cannot expect that this will go away quietly. Apparently the public is ready to love TV personalities who handle reptiles but the reality-and the ignorant fear- is still there. We apparently have to fight for our hobby/passion, and I have some thoughts on this.
The most important thing, IMHO, is education. Don't let the negative press be the only info the general public gets on reptiles-they're out for shock value every time. Find out if your local zoo's reptile house needs a docent. See what the media thinks (for you breeders and larger collection owners) about running an article on YOU and your RESPONSIBLE herping! Start petitions, go door-to-door for just 30 minutes a day talking to people and getting signatures against any proposed bans you hear about in your locality. Get your local library to carry 'Reptiles' or another pertinent magazine if they don't already-people will read in private (and for free) what they wouldn't otherwise, and the success of the 'Reptile Man' TV genre tells us that people ARE curious. See if your local Girl Scout/Boy Scout troop would enjoy a visit to and talk about your herps. Find your local government's website and scan for laws regarding banning "exotics"-and if you find one, spread the news!
These are just a few ideas off the top of my head. I'm sure there are dozens, and I encourage all of us to rummage around in our minds and find/post them. Find stats, if you can. Personal stories are great. Dispelling harmful myth while not squashing the beauty of mystery is crucial.
I apologize if I've offended anyone here-my intent is only to comment and inform if I can. Activism is the one freedom we can all exercise free of charge, on our own time, and for our own purposes. And I for one believe in its power. Hopefully you found something useful in all this rambling.
Kristina Holoun-Field
isosatori@earthlink.net
Carnation, WA
425-844-9362
ROBERTA BYRD Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8515.html Posted At 23:35:06 08/31/2001

Have kept reptiles for the last 17 years. Never ever worried about wether or not i washed my hands afterwards unless i was dumped on. Wasn't until about 4 months ago when i handled some tomato frogs and wild caught lizards at a show that i caught it.
Came to be very close friends with my toilet for a month!!!lol
Mark Kennedy Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8516.html Posted At 23:39:34 08/31/2001

I was probably one of the first people to get salmonella from a red-eared slider back in the sixties when they were in every pet shop and raw hamburger was the first choice of food. I still remember being sick with a high fever. I must have put my fingers in my mouth just like a little dummy! Maybe we should all contact the humane society and ask them how many people get attacked by dogs each year and why all dogs are not banned. Its fine to have a pit bull in your yard but don't keep snakes!
roberta byrd Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8520.html Posted At 00:42:39 09/01/2001

I don't own a pitbull, but i have to say this. It is not the dog that is bad or at fault, it is the owner! I own chows, they also have a bad rap. Mine are afraid of people, they hide! However, if you come onto my property uninvited, i also have a shepard that will go for the troat. If invited, he will bug you for pettings! Same thing with reptiles. None of them are bad. They are what God made them. Sorry florida people, but the sharks are not evil either. Who is in who's territory?? Why should any animal be persicuted for being what they are? It is the responsibility of us as owners to be smart. Look out for yourself, your kids, your customers. Know the risks and try to avoid them. EDUCATE!!!!!! I have a great idea. Let's send all the joey wrights and fred tribbets to florida to feed those hungry sharks. FEED THE SHARKS TO THE SHARKS!
Mark Kennedy Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8522.html Posted At 01:52:55 09/01/2001

I'm not saying dogs are bad I own 2 myself I was just suggesting statistics would show there are many more people injured each year by dog attacks than by snakes. Anyone happen to see the woman on Oprah that got her face ripped off by the
shar-pei?(and lived!)
Larry Kiefer Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8526.html Posted At 06:41:09 09/01/2001

I have only recently found this magnificent site, and whereas I find the greatest majority of the posts informative and interesting, this is the first I felt compelled to respond to. I worked for a number of years for a county animal control agency and as an investigator for the Humane Society.

Having impounded a number of animals to include domestic/feral dogs, cats, wild mammals, former pet reptiles and wild reptiles, to include venomous, I never once contracted salmonella. For that matter, I never contracted any illness or ailment from any of the reptiles. However, upon gaining employment with them, I was required to undergo "pre-exposure" rabies treatment. Throughout my years there, I subsequently went through the post exposure treatment for rabies on three separate occasions (a rabid cat, rabid dog - both pets, neither feral, and a rabid raccoon). On a number of occasions I was exposed to red mange (yes I washed my hands) and developed the disease myself. On occasion, fleas bit me so excessively I ended up on workman's comp.

The HSUS is a good organization, I believe they one of the tenet's of their charter stipulates to "protect all animals through education". It is beyond my comprehension that they would recommend the euthanasia of healthy, non-aggressive animals of any species. Encourage your local chapter of HSUS to provide educational seminars on the responsible ownership of reptiles.
Seek out the HSUS and encourage their studies to be published (in an understandable format) that display the level of animal related disease incidents in the United States. Be sure to have them include the estimated number of owned animals by species vs. the estimated human victims of animal related incidents. Be sure to have them include bite cases.

As for the ease of care regarding reptiles, I would much rather have to clean up the droppings of one of our monkey-tailed skinks than the droppings of one of our 120lbs Rottweiler dogs that just dug through the garbage and has developed an intestinal infectionů..
Larry Kiefer Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8527.html Posted At 06:47:27 09/01/2001

In being anxious to post I failed to respond to the inquiry: Our family owns as pets, more than twenty reptiles. We have five children and none of us has developed any illness related, even remotely, to any of the reptiles.
mike combs list of regional humane societys, with email contacts
8528.html Posted At 06:48:12 09/01/2001

Central States Regional Office
States served: IL, KY, MN, NC, TN, WI
800 West 5th Avenue, Suite 110
Naperville, IL 60563
(630) 357-7015, office
(630) 357-5725, fax
csro@hsus.org

Great Lakes Regional Office
States served: IN, MI, OH, WV
745 Haskins Street
Bowling Green, OH 43402-1696
(419) 352-5141, office
(419) 354-5351, fax
glro@hsus.org

Mid-Atlantic Regional Office
States served: DE, NJ, NY, PA
Bartley Square, 270 Route 206
Flanders, NJ 07836
(973) 927-5611, office
(973) 927-5617, fax
maro@hsus.org

Midwest Regional Office
States served: IA, KS, MO, NE
1515 Linden Street
Suite 220
Des Moines, Iowa 50309
515-283-1393, office
515-283-1407, fax
mwro@hsus.org

New England Regional Office
States served: CT, MA, ME, NH, RI, VT
Route 112, Halifax Jacksonville Town Line
Mailing address: P.O. Box 619
Jacksonville, VT 05342-0619
(802) 368-2790, office
(802) 368-2756, fax
nero@hsus.org

Northern Rockies Regional Office
States served: AK, ID, MT, ND, SD, WY
490 North 31st Street, Suite 215
Billings, MT 59101
(406) 255-7161, office
(406) 255-7162, fax
nrro@hsus.org

Pacific Northwest Regional Office
States served: OR, WA
5200 University Way, NE #201
Seattle, WA 98105
(206) 526-0949, office
(206) 526-0989, fax
pnro@hsus.org

Southeast Regional Office
States served: AL, FL, GA, MS, SC
1624 Metropolitan Circle, Suite B
Tallahassee, FL 32308
(850) 386-3435, office
(850) 386-4534, fax
sero@hsus.org

Southwest Regional Office
States served: AR, AZ, CO, LA, NM, OK, TX, UT
3001 LBJ Freeway, Suite 224
Dallas, TX 75234
(972) 488-2964, office
(972) 488-2965, fax
swro@hsus.org

West Coast Regional Office
States served: CA, HI, NV, OR, WA
5301 Madison Avenue, Suite 202
Mailing address: P.O. Box 417220
Sacramento, CA 95841-7220
(916) 344-1710, office
(916) 344-1808, fax
wcro@hsus.org

The Humane Society of the United States National Headquarters
States served: DC, MD, VA
2100 L Street, NW
Washington, DC 20037
(202) 452-1100

Terrri Langley Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8532.html Posted At 09:16:14 09/01/2001

we have owned as many as 100 reptiles. no one has ever got sick from them.this includes the 5 people in the family and other people that have handled them.
cindy kuhn Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8533.html Posted At 09:48:16 09/01/2001

I was under the impression that All animals could carry Salmonella. Is this not true?

We have four children one of which is immuno compromised.
No one in our Family has even been ill due to Salmonella.
We have owned and loved reptiles for the last 13 years.

cindy
craig goldie/hardcore reptiles Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8534.html Posted At 09:52:01 09/01/2001

i keep a colection that at times reaches over 200-300 {in babie season}i also had a small import biz bringing in a shipment of wc every 2 weeks for a year and a half.we did not deal in turles because of local laws,i think the odds with wc turtles would be much higher.i never had samonela or my family including kids.
melissa newkirk Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8536.html Posted At 10:32:42 09/01/2001

I have kept reptiles for about 4 years which includes iguanas and have never gotten ill. None of the children that have handled my snakes have gotten ill either. I also live with an immuno compromised person and they havent gotten ill either. I also agree with the dogs are more likely to bite than snakes.
Just my opinion
Melissa
Mickey (TLK) Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8542.html Posted At 12:53:14 09/01/2001

At risk of a serious flaming, I am gonna ask....Hey webslave shouldnt this be in the generall discussion forum. Its funny when I try to spread the word about the problems with shipping herps in the midwest, not only did I get a "well I can ship, so who cares about you attitude from many forums" but to top it off the one forum I felt many knowladgeable people might read and respond to my post would not allow my post as it did not follow the guidelines. Well this post does not follow the guidelines either. Maybe its a double standard, I dont know, but I think I am done with this board.

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles
Omaha NE

O, and if anyone cares, yes we are still having loads of trouble with shipping live animals in the midwest, clearly labled that is.
MikeT Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8544.html Posted At 13:46:48 09/01/2001


Never in my 13 years of keeping reptiles have I ever gotten ill. No salmonella or anyother supposed disease they may carry. I'd also like to point out that for every one domestic reptile attack there are probably 100,000 dog attacks. Let's ban high risk dogs. Or better yet, not to cause prejudice, let's ban them all. It's insane. The reason they would even think of this is because people cant hug or cuddle or relate to a 20 foot reticulated python. The fact remains that dogs and cats are probably the most poorly treated animal in the United States, but we'd never ban them. It's just ridiculous that we get targeted because we dont keep what society deems a pet. That's my 2 cents.

Mike
Ritchie Luna Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8548.html Posted At 16:58:10 09/01/2001

In response to the original post regarding salmonella

I have owned reptiles off and on for 15 years. (since I was fifteen)
I have seriously gotten into them this past five yeaars. (reptile bug bit really really hard.)
But I have never gotten sick. from them. I won't even try to estimate the number of reptiles I have had. When you are young and dumb like I was...you go through a lot. But no salmonella. Chicken pox yes.....salmonella no.
Ken Casstevens Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8549.html Posted At 17:15:52 09/01/2001

I think a big reason that people want to ban herps in the home is that they still don't understand them. They are looked on as "slimy" or "gross". I have met people that when I've told them I keep reptiles have said " that's just plain discusting". Reptiles have just come into the spotlight as pets in the last few years, and like anything new- it is misunderstood. What's sad is that instead of educating themselves certain people choose to strain to look for the bad just to have something to condem. Every year we hear stories on TV about dogs attacking, and/or killing people, and what happens? People run out, and purchase these breeds that are deemed to be "aggressive" in droves. Even if the HSUS succeeds in their ban, which seems to be next to immpossible, and almost deserves a laugh, do they really think people would stop keeping herps? All that would happen is that people who have no business keeping reptiles would run to buy them. Just because they're not supposed to. Can you imagine the disasterous results of an inexperienced person with a full grown Burmese python as a pet, or even a "hot"? Don't get me wrong, salmonella is a serious health threat, but for crying out loud so is everything else these days. I started catching snakes in the woods near my house when I was 10 (now I'm 37), and back then no one really knew of the danger of salmonella from reptiles, or at least it wasn't very publisized. As a kid, no, I didn't wash my hands after handling every snake, frog, or lizard, and I never contracted a thing. Maybe I was lucky, I don't know, but I think this thing is being way over dramatized. Neither I, or anyone I have known has ever caught salmonella from a reptile, and I have been handling herps for 27 years. I think that if people just keep up basic hygeine, wash their hands after handling herps, and keep their cages clean we wouldn't have any problem. Hell, we wash wash our hands after petting the family dog, or cat anyway. What's the difference? My girlfriends little girl loves to handle the snakes, and she knows to wash her hands when she is done. This is just the HSUS's problem of the week. Next week they'll be saying "don't keep birds because a parrot's bite causes kidney failure".lol. Jusy my opinion. Have a great day.
Mickey Cook Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8550.html Posted At 17:31:59 09/01/2001

I've got quite a few reptiles, and I've never been sick. Sounds Like their just witch hunting to me.
Dave Derrick, East TN reptiles Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8554.html Posted At 19:07:17 09/01/2001

I've been breeding reptiles for 12 years. I've worked with captive born & wild caught animals.I've been very badly bitten.......more than once! I have 4 children who handle my snakes weekly. Out of 12 years, me,my wife and children have Never had ANY health problems related to reptiles nor have I had any illness's reported to me by any of my customers.I do practice good handwashing.
Andrew Anders Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8556.html Posted At 19:16:53 09/01/2001

I agree with Mark Kennedy, and I'd much rather take my chances with a snake of almost any kind, then say a bull mastiff or rottweiler. I read in one of these posts that 20 people die a year by contracting salmonella from reptiles? I bet more people die after being attacked by dogs than that. And disease, all animals started out in the wild, and anything can spread disease, its our responsibility to be careful. Having a 16 month-old daughter, I wont keep constrictors over 4' in the house, no matter how well locked up they are, and I think everyone that has kids should be cautious with large animals of any kind. Ive never contracted salmonella, neither has anyone in my entire family due to reptiles, to my knowledge. I'll kiss a snake before i ever go back to McDonalds.
ROb @ RK Reptiles Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8557.html Posted At 19:37:09 09/01/2001

Hi Everyone,

Well I have been keeping, field herping, breding,selling,and most of all LOVING!! all reptiles,Amphibians as well as all other animals for well lets just say over 30+ years now. I have never had Salmonella from any animal of any sorts. I work side by side with a lot of vets on treatments of my reptiles as well as a source of information to the vets on other peoples reptiles and they and myself all agree Chicken is a much BIGGER source of Salmonella than any reptile or exotic pet. I urge eveyone to write to them and voice your facts and opinions. This is why this country is so great. We can speak the truth and stop the Government from controlling our lives. It is our decisions not theirs. Sorry if I sound like I am rambling but I am truly against the idea of them trying to control MY as well as everyones right to own pets
Susan Willis Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8561.html Posted At 22:18:55 09/01/2001

7 years and 2 pregnancies living with and handling herps...no Salmonella in any family member. 20 years as a veterinary technician working with dogs and cats and 6 years with exotic birds, including birds of prey, and wildlife rehab, and the only illness was a case of Sarcoptic mange that I brought home to my then 2 yr old daughter (nobody else showed any signs, although everyone was treated). And I'm not 100% sure she didn't get it at pre-school! And as for my local "Humane" Society...they keep and adopt out cats that have Feline Leukemia! And the worst part is that they don't even seperate them from the healthy cats! I really hate having to assist my veterinarian in euthanizing dying cats that were adopted from the "Humane" Society 6 months ago. And most of the new owners were not even told by the shelter that the cat tested positive.
I've seen too many shelter forms where that part is either illegible or totally blank.
Dawn Zielinski Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8576.html Posted At 10:39:43 09/02/2001

Ok, I understand that most you people have never had samonella poisoning, which is nice. It does NOT mean that reptiles can't carry it. Obviously it can. We really need to focus on the fact that not only reptiles can carry samonella. HUMANS carry it, birds, and many other animals (rodents etc.). Everyone sitting around saying, "well *I* never got it" does nothing for the fact that there ARE people who contract it every day from reptiles (and other animals).
Dawn Zielinski Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8577.html Posted At 10:43:02 09/02/2001

(whoops- forgot this, sorry for the extra post). The avg. human deaths by dog attacks is right around 17, if my sources are correct. But on TOP of that, dogs are responsible for 1 billion bites a year, causing around 800,000 dollars in treatment... 4.7 million injuries, which boils down to 914 Emergency Room visits a DAY. Now these statistics were taken from 92-94, so it can only have gone up.
Robert Hornung Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8613.html Posted At 10:00:43 09/03/2001

The keeping of reptiles is under attack and some people find it necessary to point fingers at other animals. Incredible!

"It's fine to have a pitbull in your yard....." You may want to check your facts. The breeds known as "pitbulls"; American PitBull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bulldog and Staffordshire Bull Terriers have been under fire and in some cases, banned in some city/states. It is NOT fine to keep some breeds in your yard.

"I agree with Mark Kennedy, and I'd much rather take my chances with a snake of almost any kind, then say a bull mastiff or rottweiler"

Those words sound like they are spoken by someone who has no experience with either the mentioned breeds or some of the more dangerous snakes. I have NEVER even heard of an attack by a Bull Mastiff on anyone and from my experience they are very well tempered dogs. Maybe there are exceptions, I haven't seen any. I had a Rott/Chow cross chew on my arm for a couple minutes while I was doing Animal Control work. It was a case where the dog had to be quickly removed because it was near a highway. It was a very nervous dog and when I grabbed it, it attacked in self defense. I still have some scars from the many bites but I have no resentment or fear towards any breed. If you think snakes are much safer than dogs you have never had to remove a 20' Retic that grabbed and constricted someone. I have.

All animals are potentially dangerous whether through salmonella poisoning, bites,whatever. Pointing the finger at other animals you "think" are more dangerous than others is not the way to preserve your hobby. Write letters and address the complaints of the Humane Society. Do not drag dogs or other animals into your arguments. As a keeper of American Pitbull Terriers, I have an uphill battle as it is without reptile people fueling the Humane Society's argument that "pitbulls" are dangerous.

Robert Hornung
Cheryl Bald Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8614.html Posted At 10:14:22 09/03/2001

I have kept reptiles seriously for the past 9 years (had them off and on when I was a kid too) and have never contracted any diseases from my snakes, turtles or iguanaa, I did get it one time from eating in a restaurant (wasn't keeping any reps at the time). Thanks for taking your time to do this survey!!
Cheryl Bald
Christine Thompson Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8617.html Posted At 12:27:28 09/03/2001

In the 5 years I have owned bread and sold reptiles, I have never seen any person get salmonella from a reptile but have seen them get it from a salad at a family reunion. I hope our government don't try to ban them. The thing hear is to impose and educate the importance of proper hygiene and cleanliness of all animals as well as food preparation.
Christine Thompson
104 N. High St.
Pert Matilda, PA 16870
Dana Pennebaker Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8631.html Posted At 20:27:59 09/03/2001

own around 200 reptiles, never had salmonella from them. i have gotten food poisoning from restaurant food at least 5 times in the past few years, several of which had me hospitalized, one of which caused permanent damage to my stomach and prevents me from consuming any dairy products. no one is talking about banning restaurants, in fact, the board of health was not even able to close the ones i got food poisoning from.
you should see the conditions at most "humane" societies. although this thread does seem to be more discussion oriented, i hope someone is able to use this thread to some good cause.
Dana
Kevin Rutherford Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8704.html Posted At 05:35:02 09/05/2001

I have 23 adult snakes, and 13 adult lepard geckos my wife and I take care of the animals. I have two children 5 & 7. No one has ever been sick from the reptiles. We wash our hands & use hand sanitzer when careing for or handeling our pets
Mare Newlander Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8721.html Posted At 17:09:36 09/05/2001

I have been keeping reptiles and amphibians for more than 35 years. Neither myself nor any friends/family exposed to these animals ever contracted any type of illness from them. While I am very conscientious about hygeine now, that was not always the case (used to buy baby red ear sliders at the dime store!). Until the dangers of salmonella started getting some press, I never gave it a thought. Now, as a matter of course, I insist that anyone handling any of the animals wash thoroughly -before and after. I think that in the case of salmonella, the education we have gained, due in part to all the press about the disease, has resulted in better husbandry practices for the informed. Unfortunately, the uninformed will always be the problem that creates the burden that the educated public must bear. I am very against the government "protecting" people from their own stupidity and lack of education; I am also a big believer that each one of us that posseses the ability to do so should educate at every opportunity.

Count me among the unsick, long term herp owners! Cheers!
FRED PRYOR SHELBYVILLE IN Re: EXTREMELY Important survey !!! Salmonella !!!more
8821.html Posted At 19:30:08 09/07/2001

Im a firm believer that if you keep your animals in a clean enviroment.And wash your hands your animals and you will be safe.Ive been keeping reptiles [mostly tort's&turtles]all my life,and know hundered'sof other herp lover's and not one salmonella sicknes... BUT Ido know of 2 friends of mine who have 1 from raw chicken liver [for fishing]and one from crayfishfor human consumption. My 2cents worth thanks

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