| Author | Subject: bad guy ! richard camp..a.k.a carnnisaur@aol...... |
| thomas davis T&S REPTILE FARM | Posted At 16:23:59 09/04/2001
hi all i was informed that i had posted wrong so i will try this again as i wish to cause knowone any trouble anyway,,,,this person carnnisaur@aol blatantly stole 40bucks from me he had advertised on another free site a bullsnake for sale 40$shipping included so i mailed the 40bucks in good faith that i would recieve the snake offered a 4ftbullsnake,,,5days later i get an empty box in the mail nothing in it except some newspaper and a little bag of water ,so i email this jerk and then he says he didnt put the snake in a bag yeah just loose in the box anyway if that was true the snake got out which is good cause he would have died from the heat the water in the bag was about 100degrees anyway my proof is the weight on he box the postage says 1lb.13oz. which is exactly what this empty box weighs;;i;e there never was a snake at least not a 4ft bull anyway so now this guy wont even respond to my emails and im screwed outta 40bucks so do yourself a favor and dont do business with this man and sadly trust nobody without doing research on them thanks for reading,,,,,,,,,thomas |
| Martin Gracie |
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8678.html Posted At 20:16:59 09/04/2001 Hi, My name is Martin Gracie. I am an avid snake collector if you will say and rarely purchase snakes online for the fear of being scammed. Yet I have done business with Carnnisaur a fair share of times and was very pleased with his kindness and reliability. He is an excellent person to do business with and I know a handful of people who have also done business with Carnnisaur and been extremely pleased with him. I think it very unfair that a possible accident, in your case, would lead someone to harass another person. Have you ever done business with Carnnisaur before? You can't base a persons reliability on one simple business deal. I work for a Genetics Lab in San Jose, California and have had a couple of bad deals with big clients that are worth millions and after clearing things up things work out. Now after seeing your Inquiry at HerpWantAds.com I was very angry at your comments towards Carnnisaur. So I was just informing you that I have done business with the man before and been pleased with his results. So please do not criticize people for lousy business based on doing business one time. Sincerely, Martin Gracie |
| Steve Schindler |
Re: bad guy ! richard camp..a.k.a carnnisaur@aol......
8682.html Posted At 21:24:38 09/04/2001 Well Martin, I would have sent you this via e-mail, but I have no choice but to reply to the forum since you don't seem to be able to follow the rules. My question is this. How many times do you have to get ripped off by someone before you consider them bad. I am glad that you have had good experiences with the person in question, but obviously Thomas hasn't. That's exactly the purpose of this forum, to post good and bad experiences. you had good ones and you posted (even without following the rules) Thomas had a bad one and he posted. Now its up to the rest of us to decide for ourselves. According to your logic, as long as you don't rip the same person off more than once you should be safe because they don't have a right to complain about you. Steve Schindler |
| M.Gandolfo |
Re: bad guy ! richard camp..a.k.a carnnisaur@aol......
8683.html Posted At 21:29:02 09/04/2001 I have to agree with Thomas. The weight of the box at shipping time is printed right on the box. A 4 ft bull snake would have some weight to it, yet the empty box weighs in at the same amount printed at shipping time. Looks pretty suspicious, unless the snake escaped BEFORE weighed for shipping. And why would he ship it loose in the box? That seems to be asking for trouble. With these discrepancies, I think an honest seller should replace the animal. |
| thomas davis |
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8689.html Posted At 23:45:44 09/04/2001 thanks everyone i emailed this person to respond to this as well which i hope he does as all i have ever wanted is to work this out but the weight on the box is the proof,a 4ft bullsnake would weigh at least a pound itself anyway i think this martin gracie is him why cant people be honest? why? anyway sadly all i can say is buyer beware and definately do some checking before you mail your money out thanks,,,,,,,thomas |
| Richard Camp |
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8697.html Posted At 02:06:52 09/05/2001 Well, Thomas you have out done your self this time! I told you the money is on its way and you should even feel lucky that I am belieaveing you that the snake was able to get out of its bag and the box!! For the main point being along with the e-mails and the postings you tried to post about me on herpads.net you have come to be a very childish person and if in fact you do have my snake at this point I hope it very well bites you!! You dont seem to be a mature man "Oh yea I have everyone of those cruel and unusual e-mails you sent me"! Yet you post I was trying to work this out?? No by all means what you sent me through e-mails and what you are doing now is not working this out in any way! I told you I would replace what was not their!! But you became irate and you have taken this to far! I am really not ready to deal with a child such as yourself so please stop your winning and lieing!!I have already settled this and your money was already put in the mail on saturday I told you!! Well since your friends didnt get the trueth they outmatically seem to think that I am the bad guy! I am not trying to change the way people will read this dispute, but maybe in some way I will hopefully help little boy thomas mature from his attitude and poor socialbility skills!! Well you have all seen what he has got to say and if you are at the bit least concerned please e-mail me and I will send you all the e-mails he has sent me and you will understand why I have stated what was stated earliear in the argument! Hopefully no one else will have to deal with someone like thomas on the internet again!!! This is my first foul incident where someone has acutually tried to pull the O'll flip flop on me!! Although I have seen it done to many other people and dealers in the buisness I have never seen anybody jump fast on the gun like some did without hearing the other half first but sometimes people cant see both ways! Hope someone will be able to coprehend, -Richard |
| Martin Gracie |
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8698.html Posted At 02:09:17 09/05/2001 sorry for the non-E-mail post here it is free feel to let me know what you have to say. |
| Patrick Hughett @ North Texas Reptiles |
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8701.html Posted At 04:55:11 09/05/2001 Hello all...I am not going to pick sides, because I really don't know who's telling the WHOLE truth. I talk to Richard through e-mail quite a bit, and he seems like a pretty descent person. Anyway, I have a beef with something Martin said in his first post...IF, in deed, it was Martin Gracie, as Thomas pointed out. He said, "You can't base a persons reliability on one simple business deal." Well...hate to say it, but YES YOU CAN! This is nothing bad against Richard...This is in general. Unfortunately, first impressions are the most important, and also the longest lasting! I am going to have to back Steve up on this one 100%. How many times do you have to get screwed before someone is bad? Also, he was right in saying that this is what this forum is for...to post good and BAD experiences you've had so others can make an intelligent decision on whether or not to do business with that person/company. I don't think you had any right jumping on Thomas like you did Martin. He had a bad deal, and he is perfectly entitled to post here about it! If you don't like it, TOUGH! GET OVER IT! I would think an apology is in order, but of course...How many of us grown men can admit when we're in the wrong, huh Martin? ;) Not to sound like too much of a butt, but if you don't like my post, get over that too! If you are Richard, posting under another person's name, shame on you! If you are, in deed, Martin, you must have some strong feelings for Richard, the way you got all over Thomas...lol Patrick Hughett North Texas Reptiles |
| Allen Beneli |
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8702.html Posted At 05:12:32 09/05/2001 Check the invoice and see what it says. Try to get a photo of it as proof. Also check the tracking number go to the website whichever flight company he sent it on and get the information. It will say specifics. If it does not say live animal then he didnt send it. |
| Mickey Cook |
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8705.html Posted At 10:20:32 09/05/2001 Hi all. Empty box, that sucks. Either way you look at it either a snake or money is owed. And I must say if the shipper is a pro you'd think that better shipping practices would be used. Better luck next time. And I must agree with patrick H. It only takes one UNRESOLVED mess up to be a bad guy. And I think we all should be VERY careful with new sellers, and check refrences even if you have to wait a couple of days for your stuff. Just play it safe. |
| Jeff Craven |
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8706.html Posted At 10:36:30 09/05/2001 I just had to throw my 2 cents in here. I don't know all the specifics here but if Richard said that he sent your money back via the mail on Saturday, don't you think you are jumping the gun a little here? I mean, Monday was a federal holiday so it might not be until the end of the week before you receive it. Only then would I jump on here and bad mouth an individual. Accidents happen. I realize you are upset because you wanted the snake but consider yourseld lucky that he offered you your money back. There are a lot of shady characters who would have taken the money and ran (if they didn't there would be no purpose to this board). All I am saying is that people need to be patient and make sure that they are truly wronged before they do potential harm to someone's reputation. Sorry, I don't mean to sound too preachy. |
| thomas davis |
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8708.html Posted At 11:10:40 09/05/2001 well richard there was no bag in the box nothing but newspaper and alil baggie of water as someone mentioned earlier it was not marked live animal the proof is the weight and now after 4weeks of trying to get this right and yes being P.O. you wanna say your refunding my money well i hope so maybe there is hope,and Jeff i have been patient it has been 4weeks since i sent this guy my money believe me i aint out to ruin nobody's reputation but i am out to stop idiots like him says he didnt bag the snake pppplllleeeeezzze !thats why boards like thisone KCKA$$ |
| Gil Bert |
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8710.html Posted At 13:51:06 09/05/2001 Hay Richard Camp, I hear Paul Miller has some nice snakes you should contack him!!!! Check a few complaints down |
| Richard C |
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8714.html Posted At 14:59:32 09/05/2001 Well, I see most may not be able to see the logic and still are jumping the gun! Like I said I have sent his money back and I have e-mail from the day after the sale of him using his childish porfanity and if anyone would care to see it I will e-mail it to you but we did go into overtime with the situation but if someone e-mails you and bad mouths you about something how are you suppose to trust them and that they do not have what you sent them?? -Richard |
| Richard Camp |
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8715.html Posted At 15:13:40 09/05/2001 Sorry but thomas you say that I am poseing as Martin. How do I or anyone else not know that you arnt any of the other people besides patrick and jeff??? |
| THOMAS DAVIS |
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8716.html Posted At 15:29:14 09/05/2001 hey richard there is no jumping the gun its been a month since i sent you my moneyand since the day i recieved the empty box i have tried to get either a snake or my money back ! w/you calling me a liar and using profanity also i also have all your emails too !! and as far as being somebody else's screen name ,get a grip!your wrong and you know your wrong,i am glad there are boards like this i just wish i had inquired about YOU before i sent you my money at least i can voice here and other people will be aware of the type of person you are and the way you do business,HA finally justice on the net ,,,,,,THOMAS DAVIS |
| Richard Camp |
Re: bad guy ! richard camp..a.k.a carnnisaur@aol......
8718.html Posted At 15:57:47 09/05/2001 Well, Thomas I never used any poor words towards you in any of those e-mails, however I did call you a liar and the fact of that matter is because I dont know if you have the snake or not and being that this is going way out of hand I told you the money is in the mail and even before you started the board!! How is their going to be justice you may not even state that you got the money back to tell the truth I am the only one and you are the only one that knows what really went on I have my proof you have yours and now people are looking at our statements no matter who really beholds the truth the fact is I am loosing out what I paid in shipping just to stop your grief! I have seen this doen before to people like I said they say they dont get what you send and then they want their money or something else back!!! This was my majore problem with thomas he has a bad mouth and he made me feel like he is lieing and now he has sarted a rumor that will hopefully come to an end!!! |
| Ritchie Luna |
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8719.html Posted At 16:28:39 09/05/2001 You guys seem to have missed something. fine the money has been sent. fine it has been a month. Here it is REVELATION..... A box with newpapers. and a little baggie of water. (what was the water for?). Weight equals 1 pound 13 onces. Four foot bull snake alone should weigh about a pound or more. What is the revelation? Weight upon shipping should prove there was never really a snake in there. How do you prove this further? Go to the post office right now and have the box with the baggy of water weighed. If it is still 1 pound 13 onces....then there never was a snake. Now before some of you attack me. I never said it was intentional. It could have been inadvertantly left out. I have done that once before. Packed a box full of snakes.....tape it all up....and lo and behold. I forgot to put one of the snakes. Luckily I caught it in time. |
| Patrick Hughett @ North Texas Reptiles |
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8736.html Posted At 00:25:33 09/06/2001 I'm trying to put 2 and 2 together here, but I'm not having much luck. I had several bull snakes for sale, but they are all gone now...I can't see a 4 ft. bull snake weighing a full pound...I'm sure there could be one, but I wouldn't think it is the norm. Secondly...the entire package weighed 1 lb. 13 oz. How much could an empty cardboard box with a small little baggie of water, that would adequately hold a bull snake, weigh? Almost 2 lbs????? I doubt it! Let's say the box is 12" x 12" x 12"....or even a little larger for that matter....empty, weighing almost 2 lbs???? Something just isn't adding up. Patrick Hughett North Texas Reptiles |
| thomas davis |
Re: bad guy ! richard camp..a.k.a carnnisaur@aol......
8741.html Posted At 03:41:52 09/06/2001 Well i have the box i have weighed it on a postal scale the weight is the same i will be at the e.t.h.s. expo this weekend in houston and will have the box there for anyone who would like to see it the box is approx.12by10by6 inches its a QVC CARDBOARD BOX anyway it had a couple of sheets of wadded up newspaper and a lil baggie of water in it it was taped all over except the side and it weighs 1lb 13oz on a scale just like the postage on the box states, ipersonally believe a 4ft. healthy bullsnake would weigh a pound or real close to it my 5ft g.b.gopher weighs a lil over 1lb. anyway none of that matters ,thankfully no doubt because of this board he says he's mailing me my money back if he does i will post that he did so,i ain't out to ruin knowbody's rep. i am out to right a wrong thats all yet another reason i'm loving this board justice on the net thanks for reading,,,,,,,,thomas |
| Daniel Turner |
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8747.html Posted At 10:50:06 09/06/2001 WE did busness together and everything went great ! I will do busness with him again! Richard Camp is a GREAT GUY!! |
| thomas davis |
Re: bad guy ! richard camp..a.k.a carnnisaur@aol......
8963.html Posted At 21:38:49 09/10/2001 hi all well 5 weeks later i did get my money back from this guy however i would still advise everyone to be aware of this guy,he sent my money back w/ a lil letter and,well lets just say the guy aint know professional anyway thanks herpwantads board of inquiry i am happy i got my money back and learned a lesson,, justice in the net ,,gotta love it ,,,,,,peace thomas |
| Richard |
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8974.html Posted At 03:20:10 09/11/2001 Before you even posted your money was in the mail all this board did was talk trash about me with some people actually in my defense!! I didnt send your money back cause you solicited untrue things about me I did it because its my policy and everyone else's.But I do thank you Thomas for telling the truth on this one!! |