| Author | Subject: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS |
| RYAN THOMPSON | Posted At 01:38:01 09/14/2001
I LIVE ABOUT 30 MINUTES FROM THIS STORE ALL THE CAGES IN THE WHOLE PLACE HAVE NO BASKING LITES THIS MEANS EVERY REPTILE IS STUNTED FOR LIFE FOR THEM ITS LESS FOOD MORE MONEY SOME PEOPLE PRASIE THIS STORE ALL THE REPTILES ARE STUNTED FOR LIFE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WHAT TO WASTE MONEY ON ELECTRICITY I WILL NEVER GO IN THERE AGAIN |
| Shannon Hammond |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9052.html Posted At 08:45:43 09/14/2001 Are you sure they didn't have heat tape or heat pads? I have recieved several reptiles from them and all have been some of the healthiest animals I've received. I can't imagine that a ball python or beardie would arrive in perfect condition if it had been kept with no heat. I'm not saying you're wrong, just wondering if maybe they were heating in other ways. |
| Josh Marichq |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9054.html Posted At 09:18:25 09/14/2001 I have gotten a few things from them in the past and never had any problems. I imagine they have Heat tape. Josh |
| Michelle Martinez |
Not true...
9055.html Posted At 09:36:41 09/14/2001 I also have gone to LLL Reptiles. Although I don't remember seeing any heat lamps, the employees were great and I can't imagine something as important as heating being over-looked. Did you ask? They do have racks of individually packed corns, kings, and such, which are twords the back of the store, and I imagine fairly regulated. I'm also pretty sure that their baby beardies had the necessary lighting and such. But I would say that I was IMPRESSED as to the cleanness, and care they take with their animals. I would have liked to by something, but maybe next time. If they don’t satisfy you, who does? Just my thoughts. Cheers, M |
| Ken Harbart |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9065.html Posted At 15:13:45 09/14/2001 Please tell me that this is some kind of joke, because the very nature of it is absurd at best! If you're indeed serious Ryan, let me be the first to congratulate you for making a fool out of no one but yourself. The claim that these animals are "stunted for life" because they don't have a basking light has no basis in fact. What was the ambient temperature? How about substrate heat? Don't forget that basking lights are not the only way to provide correct temperatures. I've never dealt with LLL, and odds are that I never will- but to characterize them as "bad guys" based on your misguided opinion of herptile metabolism is simply irresponsible. If you believe they are "bad guys", provide evidence of bad business dealings or husbandry practices that are actually detrimental to their animals' health- not having basking lights is not harmful in and of itself. |
| Michael Heinrich |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9068.html Posted At 17:48:56 09/14/2001 I have to agree with Ken, you have made some very harsh and damaging statements based only on your obsevation that they had no basking lights. You need something a little more concrete to have the right to judge someone as being a "bad guy". You won't find a single basking light in my snake room. I heat the room, and for some species I also use heat tape in addition to the room's heat. I'd hate to have someone decide that I'm a "bad guy" because of that. Mike H. |
| Corey Sawyer |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9071.html Posted At 20:46:17 09/14/2001 I have to agree on the fact that LLL reptile is bad. The gecko i bought died, they refused to return my money, i told them it was not right teh day after i got it. Of the two incubators i got form them, 1 was missing parts (THEY DID NOT REPLACE THE PARTS) and was was damamged. AFter I got the damaged incubator (last thing i got form them) I gave up on them. Corey |
| Nate Ellis |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9090.html Posted At 14:07:51 09/15/2001 I have dealt with LLL Reptiles and have visited there store when I visited CA in 99. I was very impressed with the store and service: very clean, good customer service and lots of inventory and animals. Though I haven't dealt with them in over a year, I cant see as to how they could be stunting their animals in order to save money just because you didn't see basking lamps. |
| Ken Harbart |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9096.html Posted At 18:30:21 09/15/2001 Look Ryan, I'm not in the mood to get into a pissing match with you about your misconceptions of reptile metabolism and growth. It is ironic though that you bring up "those that KNOW and theres those that think they know" because you've just given me the impression that you're the latter of the two. Again, let me restate the FACT that if ambient temperatures are adequate, or supplemental heat is provided via some other source, incandescent/ceramic basking lights are non-essential. Now then, I would challenge you to provide documented evidence that the lack of a basking light as supplemental heat, provided proper ambient temps, has an adverse physiological reaction on any reptile. Proper temperatures, along with a thermal gradient, can easily be maintained by means other than basking lights. Also, it seems that congratulations are in order. As toddlers, most people don't have the attention span required to keep and breed various lizards. My hat's off to you for having the dedication to work with animals while others your age were still struggling with complex sentences and their abc's. Now then, since you choose to bring up qualifications, I must admit that mine pale in comparison to your extensive knowledge and experience, as I've only been working with herps for about 15 years in private and various professional capacities. My professional memberships include the American Zoo and Aquarium Association, American Association of Zoo Keepers, American Society of Ichthyologists and Herpetologists, Society for the Study of Reptiles and Amphibians, Herpetologists' League, and Northern Ohio Association of Herpetologists. I've also previously served as president of the Great Lakes Herpetological Society. Strangely, even though I am a "fool" who only thinks he has a basic knowledge of herpetological fundamentals, the U.S. Air Force felt otherwise and awarded an acheivement medal for some of my work involving local herpetofauna at Ali Al Salem, Kuwait. On a side note- no animal in my personal collection is provided supplemental heat via a lamp. Interstingly enough, one of my male retired breeder bearded dragons is just over 26" and has been in my collection for 11 years 2.5 months (and still going strong)- no stunting here. Now then, I apologize to all those who will no doubt criticize me for posting my credentials in my reply. I am neither arrogant, nor condescending. Nor do I think I know it all or am better than anyone here- on the contrary, I am the first to admit that there are a plethora of individuals on this message board who know far more about a great deal of subjects than I do. However, I do have a pet-peeve blatently unsound misinformation presented as "fact". Once again, my apologies to the other forum members for my continuance of this thread, which really amounted to a waste of everyone's time, and space on Rich's server (especially since it is now off-topic). As such, this is my final reply to this thread. Regards, Ken Harbart |
| Jeff Craven |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9139.html Posted At 13:42:13 09/17/2001 I wasn't going to waste any more bandwidth on this but I couldn't resist. Ryan and Coon Man, it is obvious you two are pals. Why don't you two play around on some chat rooms instead of wasting bandwidth on this site. Your antics have the same entertainment value that low-rent talk shows have it. I have not done business with LLL strictly because I am on the east coast. I do however agree with their arguments. I will agree that some species benefit from UV lighting from natural sunlight. As far as stunting growth? I would love to hear where you arrived at that conclusion. In case you are worried about my qualifications, I can reference you to the biology degrees on my wall. |
| nikki tremble |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9158.html Posted At 21:15:51 09/17/2001 I have bought several animals from LLL and had both good and bad experiences. One of my baby beardeds was stunted or something because it wouldn't eat and it didn't shed for almost 2 months. I had to force feed it and when I told the people at the store, they wouldn't return it but gave me more suggestions on how to get it to eat and shed. The other beardie that I got at the same time is fat and healthy and I have no problems with it. My kingsnake that I got from them is a great eater, but I do have to agree that a plastic deli cup is not the right habitat for a snake to live in. The only otther problem that I have is that if you order crickets to be picked up in the store, they ask what size you would like, and when you pick them up they are usually not the size you ordered. I asked about why they are the correct size if they are mailed but only come in "small," "medium" or "large" packages at the store, the girl working there said that she didn't know. |
| Paul Mitzelfelt |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9186.html Posted At 22:12:58 09/18/2001 My ONLY experience with them was a bearded dragon sub-adult. It was bought as a female, but turned out to be male. Really not that unusual when dealing with bearded dragons I guess. The animal is still alive and kicking though, and has succesfully bred. Just the opposite way of what I was looking for at the time. Thats all I can say, as thats all I know of them. Best of luck to everyone! |
| Loren Leigh |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9210.html Posted At 13:20:32 09/19/2001 Thank you to everyone who responded to support our store and staff. We would like to defend the claim that our animals are "stunted for life" due to the lack of basking lamps in our cages. We realize that the majority of you are knowledgable enough to realize that there are other methods of providing heat to the herps which require it. These methods include undertank heating pads, which are not visible from the outside of a Vision Cage. Many of our cages do have basking lamps, which are hidden by the design of certain models of the Vision Cage. Additionally, the majority of our cages also include a UVB bulb. We invite all of you to email us for a store photo or come in M-F 10AM- 6PM, Sat 10AM-7PM, Sun 12PM- 6PM 760/439-8492 |
| Tim Fetler |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9262.html Posted At 21:14:14 09/20/2001 HAHA I worked at the petstore and we use to claim that we had heating pads under our tank and you couldnt see them.... lol so i dunno |
| RYAN THOMPSON |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9279.html Posted At 23:53:27 09/20/2001 EVEN the employees are saying that they dont even have any kind of heat so i do tell the truth stay away from LLLreptile . |
| dave mcgowen |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9319.html Posted At 17:47:40 09/22/2001 There is a pet store in my town and a former employee informed me that whenever a customer asked about a snake feeding the answer was "it just ate yesterday". I got a pair of Irain Jaya Carpets a year ago from LLL and they are doing fine. I do feel however that they should be more forthcoming about some of their animals being wild caught, which I found out after my purchase. They don't hide it but don't really advertise it either. But like I said they are doing fine. |
| leslie steinmetz |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9360.html Posted At 15:04:08 09/24/2001 I live on the East coast in CT. I do all my business with LLL. They are great, I usually deal with Scott, and he is a big help. I've bought many animals from them all doing great, breeding pairs of snakes they advertised as being proven have bred great. I have nothing but praise for their store as i have recommended them to many people. |
| BallBag |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9482.html Posted At 19:09:25 09/28/2001 GET A LIFE YOU LOSER ... IS THAT ALL YOU DO IS MOAN CRYIN RYAN , CRYIN RYAN , CRYIN RYAN, MOAN , MOAN , MOAN , YOUR LIKE A LITTLE BITCH GET A LIFE .. |
| that s what your mama said last night |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9483.html Posted At 19:53:34 09/28/2001 why dont you read the posts! |
| RYAN thompson |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9513.html Posted At 14:22:55 09/29/2001 For all the people that said stuff all i did was tell the truth and for the animals sake i was trying to help you all out i guess some people just wont under stand and for this last post who really is the loser seams like that is on your mind all the time who has a email like that only losers also even some former employees said things were wrong with this store Iam telling the truth buyer beware RYAN |
| David |
Re: LLLreptile BAD BAD BAD GUYS
9725.html Posted At 19:19:45 10/03/2001 LLL is about 20 min from my house. Pros: 1-fairly knowlegeable staff, helpfull and happy. 2-They get some unusual animals, like roughneck monitors,small ones, I usually only see adults, hogg island boas, some of which they have purchased from me, diff. true redtails, red footed torts, some nice leaf tail geks... 3-clean store, my wife is a neat freak, and always raves about the cleanliness of the store, no foul smells. 4-good supply selection and prices-get all my bulbs there 5-decent prices 6-cool owner/and his brother Cons 1-lots of wc animals, virtually all the animals they have are not commonly bred, so that is somewhat of an excuse, but WE WILL PAY MORE FOR TRULY CAPTIVE BRED ANIMALS, IE-AMAZON TREE BOAS, BALL PYTHONS, BOAS, MONITORS... 2-saw mouthrot in tree boas, and I brought it up to them, not sure what they did about it. About the heat in the cages, there is no heat in the leaf tail gek tanks because they dont need it, but most have basking lights, vitalights and heat tape, but all the animals are kept at their correct temp range! They are also the one place that uses humidifiers on the livestock that is for sale. Yes it is to advertise their products, but still a nice change for the animals. |