a.bradford beware......

[ReptileOfConcernInc]

a couple problems have just arouse with this guy... first off i bought this snake from him a few months ago.. it was supost to be a 07 het citron female from prehistoric pets...here is the add
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195375
well after i probed the female many times i found it to be a male...

now for the bigger problem........
after i found out the snake was a male.. i looked on some of his previous adds and stuff and found this its the same snake from the add above..
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186609
and over a few month period she turned from a a 07 from Prehistoric pets 66% het albino to a female citron ????..

and after contacting him several times he just gave alot of attitude and now is no longer returning emails...

[ReptileOfConcernInc]

oh and this snake is no were near 40lbs....

[Lucille]

Drew

Can you post some emails? Why did you wait a couple months or has the seller not been responding?

[Cp3_Pythons]

SMH.... Im sorry

[AbsoluteApril]

just in case they get deleted, here are the screen shots showing the same snake being advertised two different ways in two ads by the same person

[Cp3_Pythons]

just in case they get deleted, here are the screen shots showing the same snake being advertised two different ways in two ads by the same person



GOOD THINKING APRIL!!!!!!!!!!!! Im sure they will find there way to being deleted....:rolleyes:

[ReptileOfConcernInc]

As soon as I get home ill post up the emails..but right now im out of town...thank u so much fo
r puttin up the screen shots

[hhmoore]

When did this transaction take place?
In the het albino ad, he states the snake was sent to a member who then stiffed him on a trade (that was 7/16).
The later ad, in which the snake was labeled as a citron, was posted 8/23.

If you only saw the citron ad, why would you think she weighed 40 lbs?? He stated in that ad that she was 29 lbs. (He also indicated that she was 6 lbs lighter than a few months before)


well after i probed the female many times i found it to be a male...
At what point in the process of multiple probings did you decide it was a male?

[reticguy76]

so, what im gathering from the two separate ads, is that the first lists it as a normal retic 66% het albino, and the second lists it as a citron. and the issue is that it was sold as a female (turning out to be a male) and that the genetics is in question.
am i correct ??

[reticguy76]

what were under the impression you were buying ?? a citron het albino, just a poss het albino, citron poss het albino ?
what exactly was he supposed to be selling and you were supposed to be buying ??

also, did he get this snake directly from jay, or is he like one of multiple owners ??

[ReptileOfConcernInc]

the snake was bought as a het titanium "citron" he got it straight from jay..
i got this snake a little over 2 months ago... and i did not happen to see the possible het albino add till after i started looking up on this guy... the reason i checked if it was a male is because i threw my legit male citron in with it and they started fighting real bad.. so then put it in with my albino tiger proven breeder female and it imeadatly started to try and hook up with her..

the reason i checked multipule times if it was a male is because i told him its a male and he said to me no no no its female . if you dont know how to probe get someone who knows how to probe it... so i tried again just to make sure and sure enough i did it twice and a buddy did it once and every time it probed male..

[reticguy76]

gotcha. maybe have jay check his records of selling this snake to this guy. it could be possible that it was mis-sexed by jays crew and he legitimately figured it was a female. nobody, jay, bob clark, bob applegate, mike wilbanks, etc, is 100% on every snake sexing.

so, you bought it as a 100% citron from this guy??

so, it seems whats goin on is, you got a mis-sexed (whether it be intentional or unintentional), citron poss het albino (that initially you didnt know it was poss het albino).

but in the first ad that was posted for that snake, it was labeled as a virgin retic (assumed to be a normal), poss het albino

is that an accurate summary of whats happened ??

[chongorojo]

W ell since its his word vs your word it would be worth your time to have this 3rd party who also probed the animal speak up and tell his findings to the BOI as well as the seller. Maybe he doesn't own a probe set and just uses tail lenght :ack2:

[ReptileOfConcernInc]

Retic guy..... In the first add its a 66%het albino "nothing about citron.."

The second add is a citron not het albino are u not seeing the problem here?

I paid for a citron 100% het titanium.....not a normal possible het albino....were are u getting citron het albino?

[A.BRADFORD]

Just stumbled across this. Drew did I dint i offer you via phone conversation a 24 hour return and return funds. that's not mentioned above. As for the two adds you purchased a 400.citron 100% het. the other add was just a picture reffrence. i also sent you several other pics next to the 66% het albino As for the Sex you got back to me 3 month later ?

I told you Sept 24 430 pm Send it back and i will refund. then 3 months later I start hearing back. Lets hear what i did wrong ?

[ReptileOfConcernInc]

The day I recieved the snake I told you I didn't believe the snake was a citron or the one that you had posted pics of. You did offer to refund but guaranteed that it was a citron that you only had one citron and that was her and I believed you. I should have took the refund but since I had already purchased a citron male I decided to keep the snake against my better judgement. So I started putting alot of food into the snake getting it bulked up for next season to breed. It wasn't til later that I found out it was a male and that is when I started emailing you. That being I should have probed the snake the day I recieved it but at the time didn't think I had anything to worry about there.

[ReptileOfConcernInc]

I also didn't recieve any pics of the snake. I sent you the money the day we spoke and never recieved any other pics of the snake other then the ones in the add

[Keys & Kritterz]

Well first problem I see is Mr. Bradford posted the same snake with 2 different genetics, you said you used the picture for a reference? You didn't mention in either ad that the picture was just for a reference. Strike 1

In both ads you state that the snake was a female. If Drew is correct on the sexing that is strike 2. I think Drew should probably have sexed the snake after a week or 2 of settling in just to be sure and if not buying from a known breeder I would of double checked. I always re-sex any snake I sell or buy, and if im not 100% sure I let the buyer know.

If Drew can prove the snake a male which sounds to me like that has been established i personally would take the snake back. but that is between you 2.

You guys should post all emails between you to and give us a better idea of what all was said. Otherwise some facts have been shown and some will be he said she said.

[A.BRADFORD]

A money back offer was Issued the same day he complained. he them 3 months later wants a refund. not happening as for the sex. I sexed tics for 20 years here. i have made mistakes in the past. but however we see no pics of hemopins ? anyhow.. Im on a badguy thread and the buyer states clearly I offered him a refund the day the snake landed. pretty simple case here.

Drew sex the snake take a picture of two of its hemipeins. im still 95% sure shes female.

[East_Coast]

He can take pictures of the snake while being probed.

That would clear this part up right away. I am not a retic guy so excuse me if this is out of the question... but aren't they sexually dimorphic even without probing? Can you not get a good indication from tail length, spur size, demeanor, or feed patterns during breeding season? Again, I am not into retics --- but it should not be too hard to either determine gender or prove it.

[FosterHerpetological]

Well if neither of them are going to post emails etc. then this thread has no weight under it what so ever...

[Keys & Kritterz]

A money back offer was Issued the same day he complained. he them 3 months later wants a refund. not happening as for the sex. I sexed tics for 20 years here. i have made mistakes in the past. but however we see no pics of hemopins ? anyhow.. Im on a badguy thread and the buyer states clearly I offered him a refund the day the snake landed. pretty simple case here.

Drew sex the snake take a picture of two of its hemipeins. im still 95% sure shes female.

You answered one of my questions, but in my eyes what still makes you a bad guy is you posted the female as 2 different things and never mentioned the picture was only a reference. For that matter one of the posts wouldn't have been a correct reference. Either one, Drew paid $400 for a normal female/male (still not sure yet) 66% het albino or he got a citron for that price. Considering you offered the refund, would he have to pay for shipping back? If yes then another strike as this animal is not 100% what you represented, whether citron, 66%het albino, male or female.

[Utta]

Just stumbled across this. Drew did I dint i offer you via phone conversation a 24 hour return and return funds. that's not mentioned above. do you have any email? As for the two adds you purchased a 400.citron 100% het. 100% het what? if you know retics, then there's no need to state that a "citron" is 100% het for anything unless there is a different gene other then the titanium gene. the other add was just a picture reffrence. i also sent you several other pics next to the 66% het albinowhy wasnt this mentioned in the ad? wouldnt that be important info to a potential buyer? As for the Sex you got back to me 3 month later ? again, do you have proof of this? i think not, but ill give you a chance.

I told you Sept 24 430 pm Send it back and i will refund. then 3 months later I start hearing back. Lets hear what i did wrong ? again, do you have proof of this? that's a nifty exact date, but without proof you just pulled it out of this air to make you sound better.



A money back offer was Issued the same day he complained.[quote] and once more. proof please. [quote]he them 3 months later wants a refund. not happening would a return of the snake for his money back be acceptable? as for the sex. I sexed tics for 20 years here.20 years? im sorry, but that just seems completely made up. and what do you mean by "here"? have you worked in a pet shop for 20 years? im confused by the "here" i have made mistakes in the past. but however we see no pics of hemopins ? how would you see pics of hemipenes when he clearly states that he probed it. this statement makes me assume you popped this snake as female. 1. that's dangerous on a snake so large. 2. just because he didn't expose his hemipenes doesn't mean its a guaranteed female. anyhow.. Im on a badguy thread and the buyer states clearly I offered him a refund the day the snake landed. but he also said that you guaranteed that it was a citron and a female. while no proof of it being neither a male nor female, citrons are a visual het, so a picture of the tail should confirm if its a citron or not. pretty simple case here. this statement is simply asinine. how can it be a simple case when clearly none of the evidence is laid out but what you two state? to me that like a 4 year old saying "im right! believe me!"

Drew sex the snake take a picture of two of its hemipeins. im still 95% sure shes female. again, its not safe for the animal to be popped at its size.

[Utta]

apologies. should read:

A money back offer was Issued the same day he complained. and once more. proof please.