Drew Elliot - ReptileOfConcernInc/Andrew Biddle - MajorLeagueConstrictors Same Person

[ShadowAceD]

I was debating creating this post, but I figure enough time has gone by since I first suspected it that it is time for me to create an Information Thread. Part of the information provided is thanks to the help of Tyler Ryan A.K.A. Utta.

As with the intention of all Information Threads on the BOI, this thread is being created in order to inform the public in such a way that they can make their own conclusion regarding the individual who this thread pertains to.

I have reason to believe that Drew Elliot (ReptileOfConcernInc) of Wytheville, Virginia is actually none other than Andrew Biddle (MajorLeagueConstrictors) of Florida. For those of you not aware, Andrew Biddle would be the individual who this particular BOI Bad Guy Thread is about:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167954&highlight=andrew+biddle

Now, I will begin posting the evidence I have gathered on this individual with the post that first garnered my attention and that would be this one:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253784

The man in this picture, Drew Elliot, looks pretty much exactly like Andrew Biddle. I have placed it and a known photograph of Andrew Biddle together for you to compare as I have. There are many more photos of Andrew Biddle on other forums, but for now, this is what I will provide:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/agreyshade/Evidence%20Against%20Andrew%20Biddle%20Drew%20Elli ot/Andrew.jpg

Now, if that is not odd enough, I began looking through all of the ads that Drew Elliot currently has up on Fauna Classifieds when I came across an ad for Coatimundis and an ad for a Serval Cat.

Coatis:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235221 (I am providing screenshots, but the link is here just in case.)

Now, I would like to direct your attention to the pictures I am providing below, they are screen shots of a post Andrew Biddle made at RepticZone under the username LAZYGUY123. I have also placed two of the pictures side by side for comparison.

Screen Shot of Coati for Sale on Fauna:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/agreyshade/Evidence%20Against%20Andrew%20Biddle%20Drew%20Elli ot/CoatiSS.jpg

Please note his Admission to being in Florida:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/agreyshade/Evidence%20Against%20Andrew%20Biddle%20Drew%20Elli ot/BeingInFLSS.jpg

Comparison Shot of RepticZone Photo and Fauna Photo:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/agreyshade/Evidence%20Against%20Andrew%20Biddle%20Drew%20Elli ot/Coatis.jpg

Please make note of the likeness in the enclosure the Coati is in and the likeness of the enclosure behind the Puma (Red Lion, Mountain Lion, Florida Panther etc. etc.). Also, make note of the red crate that oddly appears in both photos and the pair of dark colored animals sitting on the wooden house in the enclosure behind the Puma. I believe these to be the Coatimundi pair he was attempting to sell/trade back in March.

Now, the Serval Cat:

Again, comparison photos to show likeness of Serval for sale on Fauna by Drew Elliot and photos posted at RepticZone under Andrew Biddle’s username.

Serval Cat Screen Shot on Fauna:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230858

Comparison Shots:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/agreyshade/Evidence%20Against%20Andrew%20Biddle%20Drew%20Elli ot/Serval.jpg

Please make note of the pattern markings I chose to outline, particular marking No. 3 that appears to be a shoe print. On top of that, the surroundings and flooring are very similar.

And finally …

RepticZone Screen Shots:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/agreyshade/Evidence%20Against%20Andrew%20Biddle%20Drew%20Elli ot/ScreenShotWildlife2.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/agreyshade/Evidence%20Against%20Andrew%20Biddle%20Drew%20Elli ot/ScreenShotWildlife.jpg

Now, in case this is not enough for anyone here, I had attempted to pull EXIF data from these photos but was unsuccessful with the programs I have. However, Tyler was able to pull up not only the EXIF data on the picture provided in the Croc Monitor thread posted by Drew Elliot, but his DROID was able to pinpoint the exact location in which the photo was taken and on what day. Guess what? It was taken in Florida. You can see it, in detail, at this link below:

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&...d%3D1307909763

Now, aside from the hardcore evidence above, I have a list of coincidences that are just too coincidental to ignore when meshed together with everything else:

1. Andrew Biddle has a habit of wearing blue Croc Shoes, Drew Elliot is doing the same.
2. Andrew Biddle worked with Coatmundis and Serval Cats in Florida, Drew Elliot ironically appears to be doing the same.
3. Andrew Biddle was located in the same area that the EXIF data shows the Croc Monitor’s photo was taken.
4. Reptile Of Concern is not a term that is used often outside of Florida, so the fact that Drew Elliot is using that as his user name but is claiming to be from Virginia whereas Andrew Biddle was from Florida where that term is used very commonly is a bit odd.
5. A lot of the reptiles currently in Drew Elliot’s possession are animals that Andrew Biddle has had in the past.

If you have any questions or anything to add, feel free to do so. I have informed Drew Elliot of this thread after I asked him if he was, in fact, Andrew Biddle and he denied the fact.

Aren't you Andrew Biddle?

Nope sorry

[ShadowAceD]

My apologies, this is the Serval Comparison Photo with the Points in Red:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/agreyshade/Evidence%20Against%20Andrew%20Biddle%20Drew%20Elli ot/PointsOfComparison.jpg

[SpitZu]

Lol... exposed because of his own vanity. Maybe with his next identity he'll keep his shirt on and stay out of the pictures.

[Utta]

im dual screening here, so if some images come up form my other screen, i apologize, but the link to his location in flordia threw exif data on his phone didnt pull up, so ill post the screen shots.


you'll notice that all i did was zoom out of the GPS, look at the longitude and latitude as indicators that no placement was altered in my zooming out.

and attached is a picture of my droid x from the back, as you can see his is in the first pic of this thread.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/GroundBreakingReptiles/2011-06-30_15-12-09_794.jpg

[ShadowAceD]

Thanks for that, Tyler.

[pbflash]

In this thread:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235221

he says

I live in Wytheville but for the next few months I am in Florida. Animals are in Florida.

[Utta]

mysteriously, the thread that i pulled the exif data from, is now deleted. hiding anything "drew"?:rolleyes:

[Utta]

hmm, maybe your old friend joe can explain? he seems to be viewing...

[ShadowAceD]

Well ... since he wants to delete it from Fauna ... this would be a Screen Shot of a user by the name of TheEnd claiming to be new to RepticZone:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/agreyshade/Evidence%20Against%20Andrew%20Biddle%20Drew%20Elli ot/RepticZone.jpg

[pbflash]

Andrew Biddle said he was Tampa. Not too far from where the picture was taken.

[SpitZu]

I think the point is that he's doing business under a different name to escape his bad guy history.

[ShadowAceD]

Yes, but if he is lying about his location as well, that is against the rules of Fauna.

[Utta]

lets get a little more evidence that "drew" is actually in FL.

if the attached images are too small to see, ill retake them separate.

[bobtard]

Good job, heroes! Saved the world again!

[Utta]

here are the pics bigger.

[Katie.Shinkle]

So this is what you two have been working on. Great job Diem and Tyler!

Now to read that old BG thread...

[heathacat]

Look at you two go! Thankfully he is as vain as SpitZu pointed out. However, the identical photos of the cats being used on all profiles is just as bad.

And, Tyler, gotta love that location feature on Droids! My photos are all tagged with a location too. Doesn't he admit to the animals being in Florida though?

[AW2EOD]

Thank you, for this.

Now, I'm insanely pissed.

That Croc Monitor, that he's selling, was mine...I'm the reason and the ONLY reason that he's tame...and I'm not too happy that Draco has ended up in the hands of Andrew Biddle.

[Revolution1221]

Man people are dumb

[ShadowAceD]

Thank you, for this.

Now, I'm insanely pissed.

That Croc Monitor, that he's selling, was mine...I'm the reason and the ONLY reason that he's tame...and I'm not too happy that Draco has ended up in the hands of Andrew Biddle.

Did you ship the animal or give it to him in person?

[FosterHerpetological]

Did you ship the animal or give it to him in person?

Im no way back Drew up or anything, but I can say he does at least visit VA frequently or has family there. I met up with him and did a trade in VA.

No I dont know if he recently moved to Florida or what-not, just throwing that information in there...

[ShadowAceD]

PMs between Drew Elliot and I. He does not seem to want to clear his name with the BOI.

Aren't you Andrew Biddle?

Nope sorry

I had a feeling you'd say that.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1309925#post1309925

Would you like a picture of my dl?
I know andrew but usually avoid that subject because of his rep. So before you post :censored: you need to get your facts straight. Those pics of the servals are actually mine. If you notice in his post it says there belong to a friend. Smart guy

So ... what, Andrew just happens to be sitting in that pic with that Croc Monitor? He also just happens to be posting under a new name on RepticZone with that Croco Monitor trying to claim he is a new member?

You are in VA, but your photo's EXIF data just happen to be showing that you are in FL and have been since the beginning of the year?

Your account popped up two months after Andrew last logged into this site.

So many coincidences and yet, a lack of willingness to address them publicly. One has to wonder.

[hhmoore]

The coati ad/pics bring something else to mind....I'm sure I've deleted the relevant PMs by now, but I can probably piece the rest of it back together (later, when I get to a real computer).

[jrbannister0726]

Bravo Zulu pretty impressive i gotta say. what kind of fool posts the same pics on multiple sites under different names and expects that no one will catch on. my conclusion is he has U.D.S(undercover down syndrome)

[bobtard]

I love how these "possible evidence" threads turn into "concrete evidence" threads (without 100% conclusive evidence), and then evolve into bashing and personal attacks.

[sally-dog]

I love how these "possible evidence" threads turn into "concrete evidence" threads (without 100% conclusive evidence), and then evolve into bashing and personal attacks.

I don't know... I would have to wonder why two different people look exactly alike and have the exact same animals and pictures. It smells fishy to say the least.

[bobtard]

I don't know... I would have to wonder why two different people look exactly alike and have the exact same animals and pictures. It smells fishy to say the least.

I'm not saying that's the case with this thread (I'll leave my opinion out, for my infraction point counts sake), but the whole "X is actually Y, here's some potential evidence I scoured up, bash him, he's terrible!" deal.

[ShadowAceD]

This isn't enough evidence either, eh, Rick?

Im no way back Drew up or anything, but I can say he does at least visit VA frequently or has family there. I met up with him and did a trade in VA.

No I dont know if he recently moved to Florida or what-not, just throwing that information in there...

Is he the guy in the photos?
Yep, same exact person in the photos. There's no doubt in my mind that they are the same person.

Stephen

Can I post this?

Of course.

Stephen

Thank you, Stephen.

[FosterHerpetological]

This isn't enough evidence either, eh, Rick?





Thank you, Stephen.

Anytime.

[jrbannister0726]

I'm pretty sure satilites and gps don't lie. the evidence is undeniable. you seriously have to be lacking in the brain department to use full body photos and pics of your face with one name and then attach the same photos to another name. A picture is worth a thousand words.. I mean common man really..... how is that not concrete evidence? if you can find a reasonable and legitamite explanation I'd love to hear it.:rofl:

[bobtard]

I'm pretty sure satilites and gps don't lie. the evidence is undeniable. you seriously have to be lacking in the brain department to use full body photos and pics of your face with one name and then attach the same photos to another name. A picture is worth a thousand words.. I mean common man really..... how is that not concrete evidence? if you can find a reasonable and legitamite explanation I'd love to hear it.:rofl:

Nice to see you resorting to petty personal attacks, high five!

Maybe it is the same person, maybe he's trying to start fresh. He had a bad deal, does that make him a bad guy foreverz? Not to me. I've had a few bad deals, am I a bad guy foreverz? Maybe.

[jrbannister0726]

:ack2:the problem is when he lies about his identity. that does make him a bad guy, trying to run from your past and trying to decieve people lacks integrity bottom line. why are you defending a liar.

[ShadowAceD]

Nice to see you resorting to petty personal attacks, high five!

Maybe it is the same person, maybe he's trying to start fresh. He had a bad deal, does that make him a bad guy foreverz? Not to me. I've had a few bad deals, am I a bad guy foreverz? Maybe.

Rick, starting fresh is not lying about your idenity and where you are based out of.

Starting fresh is manning up, admitting you did wrong and working your backside off to prove it. You pull your name from the mud, not bury it for eternity and create a new one.

If someone who had a bad deal wants to reclaim their name with hard work and effort, I am all for that. Turning a new leaf? Great. Lying about who you are to fool people into thinking you are someone else? Negative.

[jrbannister0726]

he didnt just change his screen name but tried to pass himself off as a different person which i would imagine is illegal in some way, shape, or form.

[bobtard]

:ack2:the problem is when he lies about his identity. that does make him a bad guy, trying to run from your past and trying to decieve people lacks integrity bottom line. why are you defending a liar.

I'm "defending a liar" because I'm obviously his friend, and a bad guy myself.

[ShadowAceD]

Rick, Jon, knock it off. Let's not derail the thread. No need for personl insults or for provoking people about irrelevant things.

[hhmoore]

Something about this account caught my eye a while back, and I did some looking....I had totally forgotten about it when Diem contacted me regarding her suspicions. Seeing the coati ad brought it back.
ReadyExotics 65.35.9.10
ReptileOfConcernInc 65.35.9.10 http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/member.php?u=75095

I contacted one of them (probably ROC, as the Ready account hadn't been used since a few days before ROC was registered) and asked if there was a relationship (both Elliotts, both with ads for coatis). The response was that the other account was his ex, so I let it go.

Now, though, I took a closer look at ROCs IP addresses - there are about 30, most of them unique to him. I did, however, find another interesting match:
joecoool2003 24.156.19.231
ReptileOfConcernInc 24.156.19.231

joecoool2003 206.29.188.189
ReptileOfConcernInc 206.29.188.189
(joecoool2003 being one of Andrew's friends, and former roommates - http://repticzone.com/forums/Pythons-Reticulated/messages/2047760.html - though he denied any partnership in the BOI thread, claiming that he was simply a "costumer" of Andrew's - http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=885654&postcount=28)

[ShadowAceD]

Something about this account caught my eye a while back, and I did some looking....I had totally forgotten about it when Diem contacted me regarding her suspicions. Seeing the coati ad brought it back.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/member.php?u=75095

I contacted one of them (probably ROC, as the Ready account hadn't been used since a few days before ROC was registered) and asked if there was a relationship (both Elliotts, both with ads for coatis). The response was that the other account was his ex, so I let it go.

Now, though, I took a closer look at ROCs IP addresses - there are about 30, most of them unique to him. I did, however, find another interesting match:

(joecoool2003 being one of Andrew's friends, and former roommates - http://repticzone.com/forums/Pythons-Reticulated/messages/2047760.html - though he denied any partnership in the BOI thread, claiming that he was simply a "costumer" of Andrew's - http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=885654&postcount=28)

And once again, thank you Mr. Moore. :thumbsup:

[Wolfy-hound]

I'm not sure what out of the evidence is "possible" evidence instead of evidence. The pictures and exif data and the link to his BOI thread whre he stole $2K from a guy... that's pretty well evidence against him.

Just like others before him, if you want to start fresh, you fix your problems and move on with life. When you "start out fresh" with a ton of lies, it's not a very good start.

I'm just thankful some quick eyed folks caught the deception to warn people before he stole another few grand out of new people under his new name. Perhaps his "friends" won't think it's perfectly fine when it's them out a couple thousand dollars or they receive a dead animal without any refund. A scammer is a scammer right up until they make the deals right and fix the problems they caused. When Andrew wants to make a fresh start, he knows how to begin. Creating a new persona and trying to lie all over again isn't a fresh start.. it's continueing his trend.

[pythonjim]

I'm not sure what out of the evidence is "possible" evidence instead of evidence. The pictures and exif data and the link to his BOI thread whre he stole $2K from a guy... that's pretty well evidence against him.

Just like others before him, if you want to start fresh, you fix your problems and move on with life. When you "start out fresh" with a ton of lies, it's not a very good start.

I'm just thankful some quick eyed folks caught the deception to warn people before he stole another few grand out of new people under his new name. Perhaps his "friends" won't think it's perfectly fine when it's them out a couple thousand dollars or they receive a dead animal without any refund. A scammer is a scammer right up until they make the deals right and fix the problems they caused. When Andrew wants to make a fresh start, he knows how to begin. Creating a new persona and trying to lie all over again isn't a fresh start.. it's continueing his trend.
:iagree: But from what I've read, there is no fresh start for a sociopath.

Jim MacDonald aka pythonjim:reddevil:

[hhmoore]

Lest anybody misinterpret my previous post - I was not suggesting that Joe and Andrew are one in the same...or even that there is an existing business partnership. My point was simply that they were friends; and the IP match between Joe and "Drew" was just another connection pointing toward Drew Elliott being Andrew Biddle.

[Focal]

Good stuff guys!! Thanks for the heads up. Concrete evidence or not, members can come to their own conlusions which is the only thing that matters to me.

[RachelSS]

sounds like he's using his nickname and middlename for ROC inc and his actual name Andrew Biddle for ML Contrictors.

[mxracer4life]

This is just crazy. :eek:

[ShadowAceD]

For those curious, "Drew" has quit responding to PMs and has yet to provide me with his Driver's License, which he himself had offered.

[FLTortoise]

Any updates on the identity investigation? I started to chat with "Drew" about the croc monitor he ad on Fauna.

[ShadowAceD]

Nope. Drew has chosen to act as though this thread does not exist. Still has not presented indentification and still has not given any reasoning behind all of these coincidences.

[pythonjim]

Nope. Drew has chosen to act as though this thread does not exist. Still has not presented indentification and still has not given any reasoning behind all of these coincidences.

Anything new on this? ROC (Drew Elliot), has an ad up for a 18ft Retic right now....:reddevil:

Jim MacDonald aka pythonjim:dgrin:

[ShadowAceD]

Nope. Still the same old story.

[cheap ball morphs]

let me just ask this, if he isnt scamming or anything, why does any of this matter?

[Utta]

let me just ask this, if he isnt scamming or anything, why does any of this matter?

maybe you should read the thread on the real him.

[ShadowAceD]

let me just ask this, if he isnt scamming or anything, why does any of this matter?

Clearly, you did not read this thread in its entirety, had you done so, you would have seen the previous BOI thread involving Andrew Biddle and be well aware of the reasons why this guy is not someone that people should be doing business with.

Once you have done that, then post on this thread and contribute something worthwhile. Otherwise, don't bother. :thumbsup:

[pythonjim]

let me just ask this, if he isnt scamming or anything, why does any of this matter?

Really?... Read the ENTIRE thread.

[AW2EOD]

He PMed me again, on 9.8.11

I had an ad up, trading higher end retics, looking for a Croc Monitor.

He messaged that he had a CB hatchling female, to trade.

I simply asked how my 8' male was, that he shouldn't have in the first place and said he moved him to a friends "zoological park" in Florida.

I don't think he remembered who I was, when he messaged me and that was the last contact I've had with him.

He tried selling my buddy his large female albino, that he had listed for sale and from what I understand, he jerked my friend around until he lost interest.

[ShadowAceD]

Well, for not being the same people, they sure do have the same personality quirks, huh? :rolleyes:

[AW2EOD]

Oh, I'm not one that needs to be sold on that.

I've known Andrew/Drew for more than two years...not known but talked to and "known of".

I don't have a shadow of a doubt, that they're the same person...unless Drew Elliot has an EXACT evil twin brother, named Andrew Biddle.

[ShadowAceD]

I actually think, to some extent, that is what Drew would like us to believe. I'm still wondering about that offer for him to show his I.D.

Still kind of curious why he gets to keep using this site when it appears he is here under false pretense.

[Goliathjustin]

Seems like somebody needs their ass kicked....I had just read ALL of the old thread, and this popped up. Somebody did very well linking this to him.

[hhmoore]

Not sure why I didn't follow through with this earlier, since a substantial case has been made.....but I noticed his new ads today. The ReptilesOfConcernInc account will be banned in 24 hrs unless "Drew" contacts me and is willing to show proof of identity.

[hhmoore]

Just for the record, I made my post in his ad at 09:42; and he opened that ad again at 09:47.
Haven't seen him looking at this thread, yet, though....
That will be his loss, if he chooses not to (I pointed him right to my last post here)

[SnakeMan41185]

It matters cause he still owes my buddy mike vetica allmost 2000, so intill he makes good on that, I dont see how he can start over and act like its ok.

[ShadowAceD]

Not sure why I didn't follow through with this earlier, since a substantial case has been made.....but I noticed his new ads today. The ReptilesOfConcernInc account will be banned in 24 hrs unless "Drew" contacts me and is willing to show proof of identity.

I wondered that myself, Harald. Thanks though. :yesnod:

[1truth]

Im Amazed at the hardwork some of you guys did to link these two very similiar people together. All of the photos that were posted i recognize and remember andrew posting on various forums. The big cats were something he just started getting into at the same time he ripped me off for $1,920.
Andrew you will be caught no matter where you try selling animals and no matter what name you make up. I had a woman email me last year on my youtube account about andrew adopting dogs from her. The next day she saw an ad with her dogs for sale. Something that scum like him would do.

[ShadowAceD]

Just as an update, Drew's account has been banned for failure to provide proof that he is who he was claiming to be.

If that isn't further evidence for his lying about his identity, I am not sure what is.