Russell Anderson [Bad guy!]

[bud mierkey]

Russell Anderson [bad Guy] DBA Vivid reptiles,

Hello,
This post is in my opinion proves russell anderson is a liar, deadbeat and a profesional scam artist.
Everyone should BEWARE this person and extend no credit he is a known non payer.
He has not paid me on a snake deal march/03 of over 500 dollars value for over 8 months now..
later I find out he has taken people all over pinellas county and hillsbrough county fl.

Here is a brief list,

Joel Friend-,mr anderson never paid him for a group of pythons.

Joe faci-, pair of gaboons call

Richard sullivan-,many debts unpaid call

Dave underwood- ,many snakes never paid for.

Harold mierkey-.breeding pair of tropical rattlers

email me for the phone numbers They will give you a credit hystory of mr andersons deals with them.
others also I could list but these are the local victims That can be reached .
russ If you pay me I will update and post your final payment fair is Fair.

harold mierkey jr.
mojave.master@verizon.net

[brucestephenson]

Russ Anderson is one of the primary reasons that Hillsborough County (Tampa), Florida will try again to BAN REPTILES at the January 2004 meeting of the Hillsborough County Commissioners.
PLEASE review WebSlave's thread by clicking:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=560

[bud mierkey]

He was hopped up on oxycontin when he got bit at 10 at night.
he can dispute this fact all he wants he is a known liar.
fish and game stated the snake did not inject much venom it was his poulluted condition that nearly killed him.
and after he got out he was warned no snakes in the trailer park and now he has been givin till january to move out cause he was
still keeping hot snakes.
I got tired of excuses about not being payed for my snakes.
heck with him.

bud

[Neil Gubitz]

How ANY of you guys could give him CREDIT for your animals is beyond me.... and anybody that gets himself bit by his "hots" because of a drug-induced stupor, deserves what he gets....
You know where he lives??.... Go get your animals back???.... I wouldn't be surprised if he was Lawson's partner!!.... Two peas in a pod!

Neil

[bud mierkey]

Neil
I don't think dave and russ would do good as a team.
too much greed they would be incompatable.
But they are both in the same tampa area.
I know dave vaguely and he has not done any bad deals with me but I was warned.

Now I find out russ has my snakes at his trailer and is telling buds of his how he will set them up with the babies that the two snakes will have in the spring that pisses me off real bad.
wish he would just give them back to me. but in the mean time I am filing the papers to sue him for them back.
Russ really needs a checkup from the neck up.
he has got one guy beliving that he will give him 3 pairs of albino western diamondbacks that poor kid will be sad when he finaly realizes no snakes.
But he should have known not to trust him.
bud

[Neil Gubitz]

Bud.... there might be an easier way.... GO to the Sheriff's department (DON'T just call them).... tell them that this guy has YOUR property and won't give them back.... ask them if THEY will ESCORT you to his house to retrieve your property.... They will USUALLY do that.... Tell them that you don't want trouble and you want a police escort.... especially if you already KNOW they're there, and you can PROVE they are yours.... good luck!

Neil

[bud mierkey]

Well so far no snakes He knows this thread is up here.
most hurry up an pay up rather than live with everyone knowing.
their twisted deals.
He can't run or hide from the internet.
pay up russ and I will take these pages down.
I dont want to talk any more all I here was lies,gilas,mambas ect... all sounds good but I don't see anything at my door.
have your servant danny deliver payment to me.
then your free to carry on haha.
bud:o

[bud mierkey]

Well someone is a big crybaby.
calling fish and game with a lot of stories that have no truth in them.
In my opinion its mr anderson.

He is getting desperate now he is about to get kicked out of his trailer. so hes a narc now calling on anyone he can even making up crap.

Everyone is figuring out how much of a tard he is.

Fish and game have to be crazy if they even listen to guy.
he is about to get what he wants, to be a hobo!
and even in this condition he got a nother kid for a couple snakes says he will pay later hahahahahahah
fools.
so run your pie hole russ and let it all out big boy its not bad to cry. have danny wipe your tears up haha
get a checkup from the neck up.
learn to type
get your stories straight
look in the mirror then pull trigger
bye russ.




:D :D :D

[brucestephenson]

Bud,

What is the real story with Russ Anderson's snake bite performances for Animal Planet and National Geographic?

Also, I truly believe that with a little refinement you could be a great writer. You are VERY entertaining!

[bud mierkey]

Bruce,
I read his reply on the other forum and it says it all.
If there was any dought to his credibility and intelligence.
reading that post was painfull but it tells a larger or should I say smaller story His intelligence .

I have worked with some of the national geocrapnic film crews.
They are not fooled too easy.
They might not even show the film they cut if he looks too freaky.
he said something about his lawyer and some line of bull.
The bottom line is if they show him we will pay .
The public will think we are all idiots like him.


As for animal planet I have data on that one from our mutual
friend.
The camera crews went up to bushnell where russ poked at the mamba that bit him and smacked a cobra on the head.
As to him taking pills to do the shoot it would not be needed.
he is full of them 24 hours a day so this is his normal condition
why do they [fish and game] let him keep his license if he is pickled?
The same outcome if they show him we will all pay.

so with his eviction january he will go underground like he has done before but now he has ripped me off and I wont bend over for him like some of the other people he has ripped off.

And also when or snakes get banned due to russ next session.
alot of people will be mad at him also.

[Neil Gubitz]

Bud.... I understand your grief, but, instead of just whining about it.... DO WHAT I TOLD YOU TO DO!!!.... GO to the cops and have them ESCORT you over to his house and retrieve your STOLEN property???.... If you don't want to take the necessary steps to get your animals back the LEGAL way.... don't be so shocked when others get ripped off.... if you can get satisfaction with the cops.... everyone else will be able to also.... DO IT NOW, before he is evicted??

Neil

[bud mierkey]

Neil,
I called joe let him know I was going with cops to russes to get my snakes joe said while your there get his snakes also all was good so I drove over to tampa to joes.

when I asked joe for a sales slip he all of a sudden got amnesia.
and could not recollect selling them to me !
so next time joe needs a hand oh well .

it might sound like whining but I was just keeping the thread up top.

any ideas:bluegrab: :nopity:

[Neil Gubitz]

Yeah.... you don't need a receipt if they were STOLEN!!.... Tell the cops the TRUTH and they can probably help you??.... But just sitting here talking about it, isn't going to get it done.... tomorrow, go to the Police Station and file a report of theft, ask them to accompany you to get your animals back....
I'd have already been there if they were mine and I KNEW who had them??

Good luck and keep me informed??

Neil

[brucestephenson]

I'm a Tampa PLAYAH and I LIKE it! Seriously folks, ya gotta love our Tampa guys! Bud, how did Russ Anderson hook up with Animal Planet and National Geographic? Did he call them after his BLACK MAMBA Bite? Did he get paid for his snake bite shows that may doom all herpetoculture?

[bud mierkey]

Bruce,
They found out about it from the news.
I dought he got any pay for it.
If they try to say he was saved by venom 1 they lie he did not get Av till many hours[six or more] later then they installed it anyway total waste since he did not even react to it.
He was toast and thats the story.
This is what pissis me off we had them[GEO] film me survive all the venom a large jamesons and my bud tim did 50+ mg of monacle.
we lived no problem but it was too boring for them they want screaming flailing and a look of fear.
plus the are not all that great a bunch of freelance guys no real nat geo crews.

We can only hope we dont see how russ lived with all the snakes in a trailer bedroom plus crocs and 5 kids.
under meds 24/7 thats safe hahah
We knew he would get bit when was the question.
he was kinda a friend but he does not learn at all
but thousands on the internet will know not to trust him at all!

[SPZOOLOGICAL]

Russ Anderson punked me out of $150 payment on a forest cobra several years ago. He is a dishonest man. From what I hear, everyone knows it too!

I haven't forgot RUSS!!!!

Very Sincerely,

Sean

[bud mierkey]

sorry to hear that Sean russ thinks he is a great snake handler.
what gets me is he is the worst example of a hot herper.
He has no skill at all.
He rips off anyone even his so called buddies.
The worst example is the kid danny that stayed at his side for a couple months after his dance with the mamba.
he took the guy for everything he could its sick! what went on
he almost held the guy against his will.
told his mom he was killed in a car crash so she would quit calling looking for her son.
To make it worse russ let dan sleep over in the kids room with them all night over and over the oldest girl is 8 years old.
sounds like a michael jackson story.
if him owing me keeps all of them away from me I guess its worth it to be ripped off by him.
I will keep this thread going for years so he will never get away
from me.
feel free to post once in a while to keep this up in the list.
losers and abusers have no place they need to be dealt with.

:no_evil01

[SPZOOLOGICAL]

It never pays to cheat people. The price of the rewards aren't worth sacrificing your integrity no matter what. Plus, you get people like me that don't forget or excuse this kind of behavior. Its a small world.

Sean

[jenn_jeffery]

This isn't the same Vivid Reptiles based in Texas is it? www.vividreptiles.com ?? I'd always heard good things about them, and just wanted to be sure they could remain on my 'good' list....I looked and couldn't find the owners name on the website anywhere....thanks for any help.

[bud mierkey]

not the same biiz
russ is not too brite he might have not even checked the name out before he used it.

[snakegetters]

Originally posted by bud mierkey
He was hopped up on oxycontin when he got bit at 10 at night.
he can dispute this fact all he wants he is a known liar.
fish and game stated the snake did not inject much venom it was his poulluted condition that nearly killed him.

I am not convinced that any Fish and Wildlife officers or any doctors in North America who are *not* toxicologists or envenomation experts have sufficient expertise in this field to fully separate the symptoms of anapyhlaxis, envenomation and drug reactions in any patient.

The average doctor has little or no clinical experience with any kind of snake bite. Some of our local F&W officers have a bit more experience, but I would not consider any of them qualified to differentiate between the symptoms of alleged oxycontin overdose and black mamba bite. Even a clinical toxicologist would have some difficulty. I have read case histories involving bites to intoxicated people with drugs as a complicating factor. Even the experts writing these cases up for publication won't necessarily be confident in pointing to a single cause for a specific symptom in a patient that is both drugged and envenomated. It's just not that simple.

The only way that antivenom is contraindicated after an envenomation is if the patient is already dead. Delayed administration is not as effective, and it does not reverse damage that has already been done. It is still considered medically advisable.

[snakegetters]

Just to add, drugs and venomous snakes make for a Darwin Award kind of mix. I'd definitely support yanking anybody's license if they were proven to be handling under the influence. That's just plain irresponsible.

I don't know Russ, so I can't make any comments about him personally. But I would like to see the venomous community policing its own and preserving the antivenom supply by strongly discouraging irresponsible handling practices.

Even prescription drugs or over the counter medicines can really alter your judgement and reflexes. My rule is if I'm not safe to drive, I'm definitely not safe to handle. NyQuil is not a snake handler's friend. LOL I've called friends to help with my cages when I've been down with the flu and judged that I was too messed up in the head from being sick or from taking OTC meds to be a safe handler. One of the closest calls I ever had happened at a time when I didn't have the good judgement to do that, and it's not a stunt I plan to repeat.

[bud mierkey]

Happy day!!!
Happy day!
mr. andersons EVICTION DAY!
sorry for gloating.
he deserves much more but its a good start.
Hope he moves far away.
he kept the snakes he stole from me at his trailer and got busted like the fool he is.:cool:

[Neil Gubitz]

Did you get your snakes back??

Neil

[bud mierkey]

Russ got a visit from faw Dec,23rd he had no snakes they were all relocated by his minions to a russ anderson stolen snake hideout.
He should be all healed from his dance with the mamba.
Ready to con snakes off people at full power.


Definition "MINIONS" Any fool that helps russ :angry:

[colubridman88]

When i met this guy he seemed like a total retard. I was living in Orlando at the time, and through a friend i got introduced to this @#$hole. I had some baby D.polylepis i was trying to move. He asked me if i would give him the snake and let him pay me in a week. I told him to call me when he actually had money. It makes me feel real good that i didn't trust this guy. Not suprisingly i didn't hear a peep from him after that conversation. WHAT A TOOL. Anyone who keeps venomous animals(reptiles or otherwise), should not be doing drugs. I agree with whoever said this guy deserves the Darwin Award. PLEASE, get bit again Russ, we don't need you in the gene pool. Do the rest of humanity a favor and keep playing with venomous snakes. Matter of fact, get some Oxyuranus and speed the process up.
Sorry to hear all you guys got ripped of by this guy. It is sad that so many criminals keep reptiles. It gives the rest of us a bad name.
Jesse Smith

[bud mierkey]

Wow more people coming out of the wood work.
Russ gets around fast if he feels that he might be able to snag
some snakes mambas and forest cobras are his favorites.
he had some taipans but somehow did not get tagged.
now he will be looking to restock his new bedroom with nasties.
People BEWARE!!!

:bluegrab:

[colubridman88]

Florida DOW might be intereted to hear he had taipans. It is my understanding that you have to have documented proof of extensive experience with taipans before you can keep them(more than just your florida VR permit). Matter of fact i believe you have to have your zoological parks permit to keep them. This guy is nothing but a dumb@#$. He obviously should not be keeping hots. Obviously an uneducated piece of trailer trash.
Jesse SMith

[bud mierkey]

They can be bought like any other venomous if you have the hours and a license.
Not that I would ever want one.
nice snakes though.

[snakegetters]

There is no species of venomous snake that requires anything except a VR permit to keep except for sea snakes. F&W are pretty determined to keep sea snakes out of Florida because they think they would breed here and ruin the tourist trade. So their list of requirements to keep sea snakes is a bit on the ridiculous side and as far as I know no one has ever been able to meet them including the major parks and zoos. I was offered a chance to set up a colony of them for an overseas venom lab, which I had to *sob* *sniffle* turn down because F&W said no effing way.

It is a nice idea to give people different levels of a VR license, so some idjit who did all of his his 1,000 hours with copperheads and cottonmouths doesn't go right out and buy a king cobra. But they don't actually do that here in Florida.

[colubridman88]

Could you please contact Florida DOW and prove that to me. I think that is incorrect. I need direct proof from a DOW agent. Not just some VR keeper who thinks he is right. Sorry to step on any toes.
Jesse Smith

[VenomJ]

I have known some keepers over the years who have kept and sold Tiapans. Just like everyone else said, all you need is the FL VR permit. I dont believe there is any other permit for Tiapans.

[gila7150]

http://floridaconservation.org/permits/JJRep_Frog_Regs.pdf

There are Florida's venomous permit regulations straight from Florida Fish and Wildlife's website. As you can see, there is no "taipan clause". They are perfectly legal to keep if you hold a Florida VR permit.

[Ken Harbart]

Originally posted by colubridman88
Could you please contact Florida DOW and prove that to me. I think that is incorrect. I need direct proof from a DOW agent. Not just some VR keeper who thinks he is right. Sorry to step on any toes.
Jesse Smith
How about one who knows for a fact that he's right? There is no additiotional licensure requirement for any species beyond those of havving a valid VRL.

[brucestephenson]

For us non-venomous people: What is special or so bad about the Tiapan? What are they? Please tell us some interesting things about them. Has anyone been bitten right in the face?

[bud mierkey]

Taipan are highly toxic snakes they get real big to.
Somebody gets bit about once a year here and over in the aussie/PNG areas they take lives.
They dont kill as fast as a black mamba but death is near 100% without treatment.
antivenom costs a grand a vial you might need 10 or more.
They cost around 500-600 range

[brucestephenson]

Do you venomous guys stock your own antivenoum, or are there known places that carry it in case of bites?

[Dave Lawson]

I have had my hot permit for several years now and due to the shelf life of most of the rarer anti-venom (Taipan for example) it is harder to come by. The way I do it is simply notify East Pasco Medical Center (its only a 10 minutes from here) of what I have and if I was to get hit they would know where to locate it fast.

[Dave Lawson]

After re-reading my last post t sounds like I was saying that I have Taipans. I want to correct that , I do not have Taipans!!!!

[SouthernDragons]

I'm sorry but, where I'm from (mexico/texas border) actions speak louder than words. If this Russ guy screwed me over, I'd be at his house right now, beating the living daylight out of him. Snake or no snake, I'd get the total satisfaction of kicking his ass. There are certain people that one can trust, I know a guy who owe's me $100, yeah no big deal, but $100 can pay my phone and cel, and I'm on his ass 24/7. Or also if your worried that Russ will call the cops on you, just get some of your buddies(make sure he doesnt know there you friends), to do it, and as a reward buy them a cold one :D sorry everyone just my .02 cents, and yea I know violence donts solve problems, but for me it does:)

[bud mierkey]

Nobody has got him so he keeps it up .
In my opinion he is not a fighter but he is not a small guy either 6'6'' 300lbs on a good day.
He is not in the best of health even before the bite.
I am not like that I just want to be paid for the trade we made.
he will pay up or phase 3 will begin and if it was not pretty before
It will get worse.
I have picket signs and once we locate him and it will be easy.
heck he will run out and pay me rather than endure the picket.
its all legal.
one sign might read


!!VENOMOUS SNAKES!!!
in your hood!
XXXX john doe st


or CONVICTED
AND
EVICTED
now in your
hood


or RUSSEL
ANDERSON
SNAKEBITE
TEST
DUMMY!


or 5 kids and
20 deadly snakes
50 pissed neighbors
1 russ anderson






any ideas on a sign


:AR15firin

[bud mierkey]

Here he is with a bushmaster in the dreaded bedroom
where the bite took place.

[gila7150]

I understand your frustration but that seems like a really bad idea. The last thing that responsible FL venomous keepers need is more attention and publicity being placed on this guy.
Local politicians and animal rights extremists would love a guy like that in the spotlight to demonstrate why venomous snakes should not be kept in captivity at all.

[SouthernDragons]

DAM! I feel sorry for the kids, I can just imagine him walking around the house with some little viper around his finger and him talking on the phone and get bit. (Something that happened to someone down here a while back). No offense shoulndt there be a law were if you get bit, you dont keep hots no more, until you can prove your knowledgable enough. Is it me or are all scammer either big guys or skinny little guys??? (my experience) Well I'm sorry alot of you FL guys have all those PERMIT problems, move to TEXAS. They dont Care. Oops shouldnt have posted that.:(

[brucestephenson]

Sorry Guys. I was locked out of the BOI for several days. A guy at Joe Fauci's accessed my profile and changed it to his, and then tried to change my e-mail address to his!

[brucestephenson]

Oops! I need to put in my profile again and my full name. What do you think of this one?






Bruce Stephenson

"Run, run, as fast as you can; but you can't catch me, I'm the Gingerbread Man!"

[snakegetters]

Originally posted by colubridman88
Could you please contact Florida DOW and prove that to me. I think that is incorrect. I need direct proof from a DOW agent. Not just some VR keeper who thinks he is right. Sorry to step on any toes.
Jesse Smith

I'm a she, not a he. In any case, you are perfectly welcome to contact Florida Fish and Wildlife yourself to verify information you read online. It seems a little silly to make a call to verify something I already know just to satisfy someone who doesn't believe me anyhow. If you require proof, you need to contact F&W directly.

I don't currently keep taipans, but I've worked with them. Wiggly bastards, a lot like a black mamba only a bit thrashier. Bad bite. And yes, I keep my own antivenom at home in the fridge - there's no way I would want to wait for it to be delivered given the size and potency of some of the snakes I do keep.

[snakegetters]

Originally posted by Dave Lawson
I have had my hot permit for several years now and due to the shelf life of most of the rarer anti-venom (Taipan for example) it is harder to come by. The way I do it is simply notify East Pasco Medical Center (its only a 10 minutes from here) of what I have and if I was to get hit they would know where to locate it fast.

Unfortunately, that probably is not true. The average North American emergency room doctor has zero clinical experience with reptile envenomation of any kind, including native snakes. If they do have one or two native snake cases under their belts, it can be even worse - they might get bold enough to try something completely inappropriate like a fasciotomy on your king cobra bite.

Hospitals have given or attempted to give Wyeth for exotic envenomations including Acanthopis and Trimeresurus to my direct personal knowledge. This is not medically justified in any way; it is simply medical mismanagement. However mismanagement is shockingly common in envenomation cases in the US. You need to be fully aware of that and to have your own bite protocols ready and well researched ahead of time, with published references that your physicians can use.

Hospitals do not typically stock the AZA's Antivenom Index nor do they have any way of determining what appropriate exotic antivenom protocol is, other than looking it up real fast on the Internet. In some cases hospitals refuse to administer a non-FDA approved product for liability reasons. Exotic antivenom manufactured outside the USA is a non-FDA approved drug and legally considered "experimental".

In Florida your best bet is Venom One, the Florida Antivenin Bank. There are some knowledgeable folks attached to that unit and they are the ones to call in case of exotic envenomation. They have significant experience managing snake envenomations and can advise your attending physician.

[snakegetters]

I should add that the Tampa Poison Control Center has some good folks on call, though the advice your doc will get from their center may vary depending on who is on duty at the time. If you're lucky your doc will call the poison control center to find out how to treat you, and they will probably call Venom One, and you may even get the right treatment - but do you really want to bet your life on it? I don't.

If you don't stock your own juice, at least stock the phone number of the Florida Antivenin Bank in your wallet. Don't bet on some random emergency room doc to know anything at all about envenomation. They just don't teach cobras in American medical schools, and they don't spend a lot of time on native snake bites either.

[bud mierkey]

Bruce,
So a hacker got you how and who?
The plot thickens This is a new twist.
glad you made it back ok.

:laugh:

[brucestephenson]

Joe Fauci bought a new computer for his shop. A few months ago, I had shown Joe the BOI because I think it is best thing to come around in quite some time and such fun! Steven tells me that somehow he gained access to the BOI from Joe's old computer from that time I used it. He says he then tried to join the BOI by editing my profile. Webslave locked me out of the BOI fom my computer/e-mail address when Steven filed a change of e-mail addresses. Lucky I caught it just in time!
If it was just Steven, I am not inclined to think that it was any act of evil at this time. I have only had a computer for 6 months, so I don't know what to make of this weird incident. As you know there is quite a cast of characters that hang out at Joe's, so I am a little suspicious.

[bud mierkey]

Unreal,
I know steven was online too bad he did not post anything.
Yes with the cast of characters we all know anything is possible at joes.
Going to joes is like that star wars bar scene or a dmz zone.
since russ ripped joe off for the pair of gaboons.
joe is still on our side but he wont lift a finger to get involved with making russ pay.
everyone is different some of the people I listed at first post have been very quiet almost afraid of russ but I fear nothing
not even black mambas and russ is somewhere around the
mouse level no threat so you wont hear me go quiet.
as to the faci computer conspiricy I dont think they were
out to get anyone.
steven is still on my good guy list.


:alien:

[brucestephenson]

Joe Fauci's is like Casablanca, so I guess I would be Peter Lorre.

[bud mierkey]

They all are bogarts but who would be humphrey.
I would hate to ruffel their feathers so I wont give them names.
My phone would be ringing with whiners.
I know we are protected by freedom of speech but They will still cry.
saw steven yesterday he had simply went here and joes old computer logged him in as you he was tring to set his name and email stuff but he was on the profile page instead of new sign up area.
he had no ill intentions he has not owned any other computers and is kinda new at it.
He will be a member here might already have done it.



;)

[brucestephenson]

Wouldn't it be great if we could get guys who can really talk, like Tom Crutchfield and Joe Fauci on the BOI! It would be a chainsaw massacre!

[steven crawford]

joe cant even turn on a computer.

i dont know about tom.

sorrey about the mix up bruce.

[snakegetters]

Originally posted by bud mierkey
Here he is with a bushmaster in the dreaded bedroom
where the bite took place.

Commenting on the photo where the guy is handling an adult Lachesis without a hook:

There are actually a few snakes I'd use this handling technique with, or something very similar, for one compelling reason: physical support of a very heavyweight viper that would be at risk of damaged ribs from hanging on a standard hook. My left hand would be encased in a Midwest glove and placed about halfway to a third of the way down from the head. I would be supporting and controlling the caudal end with my bare right hand about a third of the way up from the tail. A taller and stronger handler could use a heavy duty python hook in the forward hand on such an animal, but I am a short little gal and unable to effectively use this tool one handed.

Anyhow I wouldn't really put a bushmaster in the category of "veterinary health risk from handling with a standard hook". A hook probably should have been used instead of his forward hand in this photo. But in all honesty the position the animal is in (as I'm sure you are already aware) is only slightly more dangerous for the experienced handler than standard tailing where the head is supported but not fully controlled by the hook.

A really determined snake can still get you if you are tailing with a hook. It just has to work harder and be a lot more upset. If you are paying close attention to the behavioral and physiological signals and are ready to drop the forward supporting hand if the snake tenses, you can somewhat lessen though not eliminate the risk.

It still looks pretty bad though, and it's not the kind of photo I like to see floating around in public as it gives the unfortunate impression of foolish bravado. Eg, "stupid snake tricks".

[steven crawford]

I thank a large gaboon wood go right thrue one of those gloves.
he shoud have ben uesing a hook

[bud mierkey]

Yes the pic shows what it was meant to show.
Russ carelessly risking his life.
its not a safe way to handle a deadly snake.
now if he had been innoculated with that species it would not be as risky but the pic would not show that .
I use the gloves for many snakes but for viperid species with long fangs a hook is used also as MSTT stated.
steven knows about me getting bit twice through the gloves.
so he is right to be cautious with them.
welcome to the BOI stsven.
later :alien:

[brucestephenson]

That's OK Steven. No problem.

[steven crawford]

Bud i know about the E.D.B . What eals popted you thrue the glove.

thanks bruce

[bud mierkey]

Steven,
a 6 foot eastern green mamba simply nailed me right through.
He got me good major swelling set in and I laughed it off.
Easterns and greens in general are way less dangerous than the black mambas.
I have been bitten by all the mamba species except western green mamba it is a wimpy as the rest of the greens.
when a 8 foot black tagged me I was scared at first but
since self immunisation does not work it must be luck
to have survived several hundred bites for the last 30 years.
and never even a claw finger like the commercial milkers.
They get a attitiudes cause they nearly die every time they get bit. most get allergic but don't know how to or dont want to learn how to get around it.
they would rather scoff at the idea of SI than use what we have learned years ago.

[bud mierkey]

a few people ask me if I have talked to russ lately
like Im missing out HA!
My answer is this- all he says is lies so I dont need to talk any more ITS pay up time or never let me run into him it will be pay up time. If he pays me I will let it go

Bone head anderson said he survived the black bite cause he injected venom ten years ago what a big pile of crap he is.
Total nonsense. The respirator saved him.
he also said he had 90 lethal doses in him well a big mamba has mabe ten or eleven lethal doses if you squeeze them dry.
more nonsense.
he is not a payer he thinks he is a player.

:nopity:

[steven crawford]

If a elapide can go righ through.
what good are the gloves.

[snakegetters]

I agree that the gloves are not 100% insurance against snake bite. A big elapid can chew through them given time, and any fang at the right angle can penetrate them. They will definitely deflect glancing bites, non-chew bites and bites that are not at the perfect angle for penetration, as I and other handlers have personally experienced with our hands inside the gloves.

The gloves are a little extra insurance, not a 100% guarantee of protection. I use them only in a few situations; normally I prefer bare hands so I have more sensitivity and control. Support of a very heavy viperid snake with one gloved hand would be one of those situations.

I'm not really recommending that everybody use the method I described - if you screw up the snake may well deliver a solid enough bite to the gloves to get through. I'm okay taking that risk for myself because I'm gambling that I can assess the snake's behavior and level of muscular tension well enough to be able to drop the forward hand if it looks like he's about to launch a defensive response. But I am well aware that it is gambling, and that a strike may be launched without my catching on to the warning signs in time.

Bud, remember that if you keep using your gloves for handling mammals that chew and if you clean them with bleach, they will definitely lose cohesiveness and be less protective. I clean mine with chlorhexadine or occasionally with an anti-virucidal hospital disinfectant if I am handling snakes in quarantine.

[bud mierkey]

Steven,
lets not continue off topic or there might be punishment.
read my warnings read others also it will teach you what not to do. like off topic stuff a 10 dollar lock out fee is for the worst violations. enough said
but the gloves work 90% of the time they are best for small snakes that dont have powerfull strikes or bulldog type bites.
little sawscales deathadders horned vipers you know the type.
I know a big black could nail me but I still use them im on my third pair.
:alien:

[bud mierkey]

Yes MSTT,
The midwests are too nice to use on biting mammals I use big
welding gloves with gaunlets now.
The midwests last longer when used for reptiles.
Becuase of my rabies shots I am staying clear of the racoons or bats I dont want to have to go through it again I have one last
shot of vaccine next friday its better than it was 20 years ago
but it was not fun gettting the 12 vials of immunoglobulin IG
and 5 doses of vaccine plus expensive.

;)

[brucestephenson]

You got rabies shots???!!!! What happened?

[bud mierkey]

I have had a bad coon problem in my hood.
Got exposed while dealing with a problem coon and put it off Figuring It wont get me after all I am kinda hard to kill but the little virus is bad.
So after 2 or so weeks I wasnt feeling right numbness in finger
Went got the shots asap I have been told many stories but
the facts are on the cdc site there are three stages and not too
many live after stage three.
Here is a good tip if bitten the coons head must be severed
and sent in for testing there is no other way that is where I
went wrong.
its 1200 for the vaccine and IG

CDC.com

[brucestephenson]

Where are the shots administered?, how many?, Are they painful?

[bud mierkey]

There is ig which gives you instant immunities for me 12 vials 1 cc each six in each hip
5 doses of vaccine in the shoulders one day one with the IG
then 4 doses spread out day 3 theday7 thenday14 then day30
The ig is thick as syrup and if you get the equine you have a chance at serum sickness if you get human ig you can have other problems such as hep hiv ect .
yes it hurts but not as bad as a big diamond back.
:unhappy:

[steven crawford]

very funny bud

[bud mierkey]

Has joe chilled out yet?
Ed is still shook up about his talk with the hairy wild man.
Its ok for joe to post about russ poking him the rear for the pair of gaboons.
Unless hes skeered of russ and his mini me danny.
he likes to go ballistic its ok here lets see joe go!
later

:throwup02

[brucestephenson]

Who's Ed? What was the talk about?

[bud mierkey]

Somebody let russ scam their computer so he can get on here again and give us some funny stuff to read like the post he put on there in the florida section tha was the bomb it shows just
what he has up stairs. not too much.

:2gunsfiri

[steven crawford]

bud i saw russ today. he came to joe`s and paid for the pair of gaboons.

[bud mierkey]

but no pay for me yet.
any info or are you guys under his controll now cause he paid?
a hundred bucks is a easy way to get joe off his back .
it would be nice to get paid but im not holding my breath.
did he say anything about me ?
send me private email

[brucestephenson]

I'll bet you that whatever he said about you would get between 7 and 20 points on the BOI!

[bud mierkey]

russ,
paying up is the best thing.
since im the bad guy for getting into this deal.
If you pay me the two black mambas that you said you would.
I will post a retraction to all of this.
but not till I get my snakes, healthy snakes that do not die after you give them to me it wont take too long to check them out.
then I will do my part since that is my way.
cause this crap has to end one way or the other.
sound good ? it should.
:bow01:

[scottytohotty]

well me i know russ and well i know some stuff about him this. stuff is new and i also know about bud and a few others but thats not to say im going to slander them all over the internet i take stuff at face value and im coming up with change as for russ screwing over people i cant say too well as for him oweing bud mambas thats his dealings as for the other people he owes money,snakes,whatever it is take the loss and a zanex its a lost hope :( you will probably never see or look at there slithery bodies again ,as most of you and you know who you are :D shouldn't as for going on and on about your lost loves. you knew what you were dealing with when you did it . one wise man once said he who wreastles with pig only get dirty and the pigs have all the fun. some of you may dislike me after reading this and all i can say is we all have opinions mine may not be the most popular but i do no from first had info. there are to many lies and few people know the truth :toiletcla ive been there done that and it has not solved anything . as for bud he knows me if i do any bussniess with anyone i pay up front but i also expect to get a healthy animal with that not saying ive done busniess with but but ive treated him with respect and i feel he has done the same with me the shourt time ive known him but i also feel there are some things that need to be set straight to 1. i was with russ the night he was bitten he WAS NOT stoned on oxycotin,vicoden,zanex,or any other medications if he was i wouldnt have been there 2.i cant say as too the 2 mambas but he has acknoladged oweing bud 1 mamba 3.im friends with all of you yes and russ:no_evil01 he has done a few things i dont like but he hasnt given me the royal screw over that everyone says he has done to the but i ask of everyone to be fair to me just because i assosiate with him I AM NOT ONE OF HIS MINIONS AS ONE SAID and dont put me in a catagory because of him . i hope all of you get what is just and are able to get past this mess take care ..scott:D

[bud mierkey]

Scott,
Not a word has been said about you .
also It was other people that were there that night that told about russ and the vicodens maybe they should speak up.
but they are afraid of russ why?
after all they still hang out with him.
yes this a mess but for russ he was the one that screwed up
he caused all this and thats it.
I didnt know he was dirty or I would not have dealed with him.
and it was 2 mambas not one .
all deals from now on are cash on delivery better yet no more deals all this crap has soured my opinoins of many herpers.
and i will pick friends more carefully.

[scottytohotty]

no bud there was not anyone else but me and russ thats it .anyone else that says they were their ,were and are lieing because i took him to the hospital and stayed there till his wife got there so no there was nobody else there and i will stick by that he was not on any vicoden or any other drug that night cause again like i said i wouldn,t have been there and that my friend is the truth take care scott

[scottytohotty]

and yes i know nothing has been said about me but i also feel that if you are going to be spreading news it should be fact not fiction and i just wanted to straighten that one fact up because on that matter like i said i was there and it makes me look bad that someone is writing that and it make all people that hold hots look bad for anyone who might stumble on this site including county commisioners ect. so writing it hurts everyone even though everyone wasn't envolved not too long ago i was watching the news and someone got busted with a butt load of pot and had gators and reptiles in the house with them and they said there were statistics that about 39% of all drug raids they find some kinda reptiles more deadly than not so basicly im saying is that by bringing that up your confirming there statistics even though what was said isnt true about the medications everyone knows i was there so you are lumping me in with poping pills ....and yes i do take medications but i also have 4 herniated disk in my back and i do not own or will ever own hots but i do own snakes and i wouldnt want to loose that right because of misstatment on anyones part and yes you might be right on the fact that russes incedent has set the ball rolling but its others that keep it rolling so all im asking is get the facts straight before you write them see ya

[bud mierkey]

Scott,
I know you were the only one there at the moment he was bit.
Ok, how about a couple hours earlier dave and dan were there right?
If you want to continue to try to deniy that I will have to post the exact nights events as given to me the day after the bite .
If I do many more people will be mad at me cause I have the facts right from his own camp!
Then it would start up again! this time cops might be listening
So I would drop it I dont care about it all I want is my two medium sized black mambas.

I have been told everthing he said at joes yesterday he has ten blacks right now so if he wants to end this why not just pay me ?

My facts are right and true and I have much more but I am
holding back due to the fact he might pay me now?
I will post a positive retraction to the deal but its up to russ.
It always was his ball game he came to me to get my snakes
I did not ask to be shafted.

Getting ripped off brings out the worst in people and I am no exception.
Now I am very bitter with many people he seems to control.
and ripoffs in general there have been people that had no other
choice than to cave in to russ for what reasons I don,t care but its strange to say the least.
That a careless guy gets nearly killed is now rewarded with cash and the innocent victim he never paid gets made out to be a bad guy?

The facts turn into slander with a evil think they are kings.
This planet never ceases to amaze me I have put in for reasignment.
after he pays me none of you will have the chance to get me again cause Im done dealing with guys like these it seem there is nothing but freaks and weirdos and theifs im over it the hobbys shot.
so pay me russ so I can never see any of you guys again
its been a sad and sick hayride into hell.

How bout it big guy?
If you have a shred of decency left lets end it before its too late.
cause I am on the edge of no return then its too late to negotiate any more

:angry:

[bud mierkey]

Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask your forgiveness and to seek your direction and guidance. We know your word says, 'Woe to those who call evil good,' but that is exactly what we have done. We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and inverted our values. We confess that:

"We have ridiculed the absolute truth of your word and called it pluralism.

"We have worshiped other gods and called it multiculturalism.

"We have endorsed perversion and called it alternative lifestyle.

"We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery.

"We have neglected the needy and called it self-preservation.

"We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare.

"We have killed our unborn and called it choice.

"We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.

"We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self-esteem.

"We have abused power and called it political savvy.

"We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it ambition.

"We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression.

"And we have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.

"Search us, O God, and know our hearts today; try us and see if there be some wicked way in us; cleanse us from every sin and set us free.

"In the name of your son, the living Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen."

[snakegetters]

And the problem with worshipping multiple gods is what, exactly? I was raised in the Wiccan faith and I am damn proud of it. I do not understand why anyone could call me "evil" because the faith of my heart and my heritage is different from theirs. Our beliefs have to do with respecting and preserving nature, and also with honor and personal responsibility.

If there were more people in the reptile world who acted like Wiccans, we would have a lot less animal abuse and more people who were concerned to keep their word in a deal, because our religion says that your word is to be your bond and breaking it is spiritually harmful. This isn't to say that there might not be some Pagans (like there are some Christians) who might not live up to the tenets of their religion so well, but a good Wiccan who was sincerely trying to live by the codes of his or her faith would *not* be likely to end up as the subject of a "bad guy" thread on the BOI.

And isn't bringing religion into this thread more than a little off topic?

[scottytohotty]

well bud i dont know about your tempertantrums or anything your going on right now but i do know of 3 time russ has tried to call you and know one has returned his call or answerd the phones but i did talk to him today and he does intend on paying you but as you know or well probably dont care he is not at his best and will give you your snakes when he gets better because he really doesnt feel up to bagging them but he want you to call him and he says you know the number and to give him a call and he will explain it all to you so like i said its in your court

[scottytohotty]

you sound like you are a litte flusterd get a grip im trying to help you

[scottytohotty]

:dgrin: :flamethr: :argue: :p :firedevil :AR15firin :slamit: :nopity: bleep

[bud mierkey]

It was a prayer that has made the rounds on the Internet since 1996 when it was delivered before the Kansas House of Representatives.

I had no idea it would ruffle any scales sorry there are parts that apply to this thread. guess which one.

as for the post about the calls I realy don't want to talk any more with russ why? I dont want to go over it again he can simply have one of his minions deliver them to me if thats alright I know russ was messed up more than anyone in recorded history from a mamba attack so I have a amount of sympathy for him to bad he did not learn from watching me innoculate but thats his deal.

scott,
I need all the help I can get to end this and if what you say and what russ says is true I will lay off any further posts and prepare to complete my end of the deal.
I think that is fair dont you?
I am off tomorrow and saturday try to have dave or danny
help russ bag the snakes I will meet them or have them drop them off to me [dan does not work so he is a good one to do it].
if he would have had me help him the night he got bit all of this would not have happend another reason that you pay off deals rather than hide in the darkness so I would not know he had a black mamba see what it caused.
so I will accept a call from danny or dave I know they are mad at me too but he is their buddy and I can still talk to them without anger.
So I stand by waiting.

:alien:

[scottytohotty]

bud russ asked me to write to you to tell you that he will get them to you and that it will be 3 to 4 weeks when he is able to get to them bag them and deliver them he also said he never denied oweing you the mambas you just flew off the handle so for now i dont know what to tell you but he said he will get them to you and it will be asap so till then care

[bud mierkey]

We agreed 3 months 8 months later I went off ?
GRRRRRRRRR
Three to four weeks sh#T he gets anywhere he needs to whom is he trying to fool.
he was over here he was over to stevens and joes?
I want to end this I hate being here this place reeks of ignorance.
Thanks scott for trying but this is the same story he was pulling for the last 8 months.
If he can come up with any way to speed this up it will help.
he never denyied he owed me he just never paid me same thing.
no detraction till I get the snakes then ok.
:angry:

[bud mierkey]

But then if I dont get the snakes phase 3 will begin.
And I don't want to have to go that low.
many herpers will be mad when the news shows the picket signs
the people that live around you will hate you
and the publicity it will cause they will want to ban all hots
and I don't care any more!!!
It will be all your fault.
see you in 3- 4 weeks im counting down.
dont try to go anywhere I will be watching and my spies will keep track of you!
see you then:mad:

[snakegetters]

Originally posted by bud mierkey
the publicity it will cause they will want to ban all hots
and I don't care any more!!!
It will be all your fault.


Yeah? Well I DO care, and it will be your fault if you choose a way to get even with Russ that messes things up for the decent people who keep venomous snakes.

Go beat the cr@p out of this dude or whatever if he doesn't pay up, but if you deliberately act out in a way that screws things up for everyone else who keeps hots, you will be the bad guy who is hurting people who don't deserve it. I'd rather not have my snakes taken away because you got mad at this guy Russ.

[bud mierkey]

Well sorry about my ranting but it has seemed to get the ball rolling.
I have talked to a bunch of people today and several new senarios.

pass this on to russ can go up to bushnell and bag the snakes myself.
that would end this a lot sooner than 4 weeks think about it.
to anyone that I have gotten mad in this you have to understand When you become a collaborator with russ you became a target just like war so maybe you should have picked
your friends better.
I warned all his buddies that I was going to put all this dirt up here weeks ahead of time I got no response too bad it had to get to this stage.
when richard said to me there is gonna be a war he was right.
the only part that he did not know was it would be my war not russes .
And war is hell for both sides I am not proud of this mess but
let it be a example to people so they might not have to loose friends and make enemys of others also.
never trust anyone to pay you later tell them no this will save a lot of pain.


:toiletcla :no01:

[biff]

...bud, you said maybe you should have picked your friends better. I guess it could also be said (i'm sure you know this) you should pick who you sell (or give) your snakes to better.

I agree with Tanith, you shouldn't "punish" the whole hot herp community because you made a mistake. My experience has been, and I've never seen this fail, that a loser telegraphs that he's a loser and people who get taken are generally ignoring many warning signs. I consider this board one of the major warning signs. While it is possible to get taken by someone who truly is a loser (like this guy seems) and not know it, i gotta think it's pretty rare.

good luck,

[scottytohotty]

bud i have talked to him about that and ya you have made some enimies from what he is telling me is that the guy who has them will not allow you on his property and will not bag them for russ to give to you again IM TRYING TO HELP HERE but he told me when he is ready to bag and handel the mambas again you will be the first on to know it and you will get them again bud you take care and ill do whjat i can to help out


see ya
scott

[snakegetters]

I would hate to see Bud do anything silly over this, so I suppose I could bag them if this was an acceptable solution for everybody and if you can't find anybody else who lives closer. It's a long drive for me, so it would be better if you found somebody who was acceptable to everyone (or at least not involved in the feud) who lived closer.

[scottytohotty]

bud im sorry to here about your bite if its true bye the gila you doing alright i know it probaly nothingg compared to the bites you have had in the past but i thoughtt i would see how you were doing ..and i dont kno aunt venoum if that would be a good idea i think it would be wrong to bring any morre people int o this situation im going to let them deal with there own thing because i tink im starting to get a bad name in all ofthis and the last thing you need is to get mixed up in it but thanks for the offer :D

[snakegetters]

Scott, I appreciate your concern for me.

However it should be clear to all on this thread that there is a standing offer on the table to bag those snakes. I presume that I do not have such an awful reputation that I would not be allowed on this person's property? I assume all risks and have my own antivenom. I do a lot of hands-on veterinary work with mambas; getting them into a bag is no big deal.

I don't think this leaves a lot of reasons for Bud not to get his mambas. It would be nice if you could find somebody closer to do the bagging, but the offer stands. Not being able to get them bagged should no longer be a valid reason to delay getting Bud his snakes.

I can also think of another good idea; why not transport the mambas to Bud in the cages they are already in, and allow him to take out the snakes? The courier would of course take the cages back as soon as Bud had opened them and removed the snakes. That seems like a fairly simple and workable notion.

[bud mierkey]

Scotty,

Thanks for the help as for the guy that has the mambas he sounds like a real russ mini me.
I dont want to meet any more of his friends.
It was just a offer to help speed this up
I did not want to have to drive that far cause of russ anyway.
So they dont want me on their property the same goes to them now show up here you will be dealt with.
be advised I will be watching so will all my neighbors!!!
no funny stuff dont make this get worse.

I have had several gila bites they are not bad at all I did not even swell at all.
They are snappy as babies but melow as they get older.


MSTT,
Thanks for your offer but I dont want anyone putting themselves at risk for me. I know your more qualified than anyone I know thanks again.

also since he wants to drag this out the posts will continue
but not from me I will stand down I have been and will be
easy to deal with.

russ is at his moms so I know where he is reports come in daily.


when I gave several weeks notice of what I was going to do nobody acted to stop it WHY?

I will post a partial retraction and a favorable post to let everyone know who he has paid off.
here is another Idea give me my two durrisus back.
then your bushnell buddy can not worry about getting bit.





:firedevil

[bud mierkey]

Three weeks 6 days left!
:angry:
see you then

[brucestephenson]

I spoke to an employee at the regional wholesaler. He said that Florida Fish and Wildlife now has an agent(s) monitoring the BOI. The agents hope to find evidence of any illegalities for prosecutions. You could be arrested, detained, and interrogated, so perhaps you should settle up immediately. I cannot verify the truth of this story at this time.

[bud mierkey]

A friend called and told me a story how he was grilled for
hours by agents.
They wanted to know about some guy named rob in bushnell.
he said they were interested in a illegal crocidilian sex ring.
some how they were able to trick black mambas into sex with the gators while his friends video taped it all!
now this may be legal in sweden it will not be tolerated in florida.
One thing for sure is they were very interested in the ring leader russ anderson.
Personaly I don't buy it I think there some holes in this story.:nuts:

[snakegetters]

Cool. So now can we expect HCE to be selling black mambas that are het for gator? I want one of those.

:laugh:

[Dave Lawson]

Bud you crack me up :slamit:


Now here is a question:

Are these new GAMBAS are they a "NEW MORPHS" or a "CROSS"?:rofl:

[herpman]

Hey Bud,
Finally found it.Now I can see if Russ will pay me for those two
orange Ball Pythons that I let him take on credit.
I even gave him three common Ball Pythons and told him
just pay me 100.00 for the two orange ones.I tried to be a
friend to Russ but I guess that wasn't good enough.
Talk at ya later.You know who.;) ;) ;)

[brucestephenson]

Bud,

I can assure you and everyone that my story about being told this is absolutely real. I have additional evidence to believe it may in fact be true. I just was hoping that it helps you recover your snakes or money! I am sure you will be able to figure out who told me this.

[bud mierkey]

Yes,
herpman made it here finaly russ took him for a nice group of
ball pythons.
while your paying off everyone but ME don't forget to pay joel.
He trusted you too.
The people he took just keep comming out of the wood work.
some day the mini me russ followers will wise up.
I actualy thought scotty was trying to help me get my snakes but russes power of darkness is strong.
scotty is fully in russes controll!


:firedevil

[bud mierkey]

one agent is deep cover and has been working to take down
unsavory types for a long time dont blow his cover it could mean charges it took a long time to place him right in the center of
the purps and he has almost everything he wants but still
has a couple big fish to fry.
no names will be mentioned and I know nothing and will simply claim amnesia if questiond any further.

:cool:

[scottytohotty]

first of all bud i have succedded in some sense and you no i dont give a crape if somewhere in you phycotic delusional mind you think im under russes control personaly if this is going to be an attack on me bring it on i got things i can tell the good people of the BOIabout the great snake handler BUD and JOEL THAT I THINK SOME PEOPLE ON THE internet would like to read about you but i choose not to because i like to feel i have more self controle than you so if you really wanna go that rought go ahead but if you believe it or not i was tryin to help you scott

[bud mierkey]

Russ made a offer today so chill
Nobody said anything of any attacks of any sort.
He will get a favorable post letting everyone know he paid me.
also I will post for the other people I directly mentioned
he owed and he has paid some others up lately also
And a partial retraction for other stuff like I promised
Deal done thank god!
But I have no control about the other people he owes.

And yes scott I self immunise and lots of my friends do
all over the united states for one thing its not illegal.
Bill hast does it do you ever recall him being arrested.
Actualy it might have saved russ from so bad of a bite.
And yes the thing you hinted about yes joel has
done it in the past so there it is.
All on his own good for him.
Fish and wildlife asked me about it and told me its NOT
ILLEGAL during their unanounced visit two weeks ago.
Funny they would ask about that same thing?

why bring joel into me and russes trade deal
joel just wants the money he was owed for over a year
I have no control on anyone other than myself.

when russ takes care of me you wont see me again I
am getting out of venomous after 30 years of work
I just hate dealing with the dealers and the other
riff raffs, they can scam and sell dying snakes to each other
Besides its risky costly and hard to ever go on a vacation.
its just not for me I might just build cages and hide Boxes.
thanks for the help scott



:crap:

[bud mierkey]

I DID not say everyone in venomous was scamers or sells dying snakes there are great people and hard workers here that take
hot snakes and their husbandry very seriously.
later

[brucestephenson]

Don't worry Bud,

I will not reveal deep cover agent "9" at this time.

I almost wrote "blow" instead of "reveal". All of BOI would have loved that one.

[bud mierkey]

I have lost all interest in my favorite hobby,made people enemys
hurt feelings, all for two stupid snakes.
I hope I can eventualy feel like it was worth it.
so russ might have still have won.
it all depends how you look at it.
Cause once you hit enter its here forever.
:crazy03:

[brucestephenson]

Bud,

Don't give up the hobby if you really just like the snakes. I have dropped out of the hobby several times, only to really miss it and get back in. Big regrets each time. Each time you pretty much have to "re-invent the wheel", and you will always miss the really neat stuff you sold.

So, just hang on the BOI with your new friends and you'll feel better soon!

[scottytohotty]

and no bud thats not what i was talking about and im sorry if thats what it looked like i should have put a comma between you and joel no one is perfect and this ordeal has put a bitter tast in everyones mouth but now we know more about the people we deal with and no better how to deal with people so take care see ya

[bud mierkey]

Russ Paid me in full today he did not get me the mambas but to tell you the truth I had no room for them.
So we are square on our trade as of today jan,31,o4 :d

There are a couple other things I would like to clear up so there are no misconceptions causing undue harm to innocent individuals.

1. Page 4 post 2 of this thread, the part about danny was
total hearsay I grasped at any and all
stories to further my goal of being paid and hurt innocent
people and might have been paid without going that low.
I tried to get it deleted but its my fault once you hit enter its
here forever it had no place here and was in bad taste..
I retract it fully!

2. As to russes drug use the night he got bit it is also a he said she said third party hearsay I was not there so it had to be a story told to me and I know he has a back problem.


also dave underwood asked me to remove his name from the list
he has been paid.

also Joe faci has been paid his name removed.

richard sullavin spelled wrong sorry did not ask me to post his name here anyway so it is removed by me now

as to joel friend russ still has to take care of him
but he does not owe him to much so he will post his own on that.

and finaly scotty he was there to help russ get to the help he needed or russ would not be here he has tried to help
even when i did not see it, sorry

This is the final post by me on this and I hope it ends here

Thanks to the BOI and WEBSLAVE for putting up with my dribble
WEBSLAVE should give me points for not reading the rules first.

good luck russ





:bolt01:

[scottytohotty]

so what you are saying in shourt is thank you everyone for listning and believeing my lie and sorry you people of the boi for making you look like ..ses but its been a good ride and as long as i got what i was owed i dont give a dam who i hurt made the people that keep and sell hots look worse than they already do and will damage your and anyones name it takes to satisfy my needs personally and its me thats speaking maybe the hots community will be better without you because youve done the same thing russ has allegidly done except there is no payment not even a retraction that can be rendered to undo what you have done to the people who stuck up for you and you can say you are sorry all you want but you've ruiened alot of peoples names, trust but like you this is my last post and dont go crying wolf because it might just eat you before anyone believes you again :bandhead0 :bandhead0 :dancer01:
had to put those there, the're cool

[bud mierkey]

Thats your opinion your entitled to it.
He will have to learn pay people he deals with maybe faster?
Then there will be less mudslinging and ect..
I don't think its crying wolf if you complain about not getting paid
for nearly a 3/4 of a year.


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you wrote

and will damage your and anyones name it takes to satisfy my needs personally

only when ripped off


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because youve done the same thing russ has allegidly done except there is no payment not even a retraction that can be rendered to undo what you have done to the people who stuck up for you and you can say you are sorry all you want but you've ruiened alot of peoples names

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wow I pay people for any trade or deal there is a big
difference
I dont think I ruined any reputations .
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Scott let it go,
deal done russ got his retraction
I got paid and just maybe we have learned
what not to do
I have learned never listen to people say I will pay you later for a burger today.

I did my best to fill my end of the deal scott you might not like it
but its the best thAt can be done.
I will reply to critical posts

later

[blitzscreen]

this bud and russ ought to get together and kiss and make up because no one is ever going to deal with them again i wouldnt just for the fact if bud isnt satisfied he will write bs to try and ruin you and russ sounds like he just takes awhile to pay you :D

[bud mierkey]

you don't have any idea. you sound like your trolling.
your a new guy you could be russ himself for all we know.
your opinion is noted.

Here are the facts
We made a deal,a trade.
almost a year later I have to put him on BOI to get reimbursed.

If you don't mind waiting fo EVER be my guest go ahead .

Yes I don't like waiting further than the time agreed.
If that makes me a bad guy sorry.

Hey new guy how bout letting me owe you for your snakes?
I might pay you in a couple years you would not do it would you.

:nopity:

its over anyway guy russ took care of his debt to me.
so unless your just whining let it be.

:cool:

[blitzscreen]

:raspberry :raspberry
im just stating my opinion if that is a crime then kiss my butt and i dont care that he paid you off its just an opinion

[bud mierkey]

Crime to state your opinion no.
but you will get a reply which is my opinion.
I wish people would let this thread go.
check out the other threads and find a active one and go at it be my guest.
but let this one die.

[blitzscreen]

:alien: man you just dont know what you say do you you must be stone when you handel the keyboard

[blitzscreen]

man i must be stoned i cant even spell right well looking at this thread not many people can :crap:

[Ken Harbart]

Enough.

[blitzscreen]

:dgrin: man oh man

[Ken Harbart]

No one had to "sick" me on you Mike. Your actions spoke for themselves. The comment was directed at both you and Bud, because both of you seem to be having a problem working and playing well with others.

This site does not exist for your personal entertainment. In other words, if you don't have something relevant to add to the thread, I'd suggest not posting to it at all.

[blitzscreen]

:beer: man six points for what talking sounds like i pis--d on the powers to be or a power trip?

[herpman]

Well i guess everyone that has something that Russ want's is getting paid but I would like to know one thing,Where's my MONEY????????That's the question of the day when Russ's name come's up it seem's like.It's people like Russ that make's Herpetoculture not fun anymore.I guess I could say some thing's about what i've heard about Russ but I shouldn't have to go through this.A man is only as good as his word and Russ your word isn't any good.So when you want to try to bring my name up to Florida Fish And Wildlife kNOW what you are talking about.
By the way I want everyone to know that I do inject Mamba venom into my arm and I want to stress IIIIIIIIIIII do it there is no law against it and I don't want to have to go through what Russ went through.It's best to stay safe especially when someone has those snake's in the same house as little children........So when you say anything about me know what you are talking about.
HAVE A NICE DAY
Joel

[bud mierkey]

Good luck with your money.
I think scotty stated that he meant something else.
whatever that could mean.
People say I have a problem getting along with people just because I have 2 or so herp dealers that need to be exposed .
let me see 2 out of hundereds thats not a problem.

You need to check out the reptile locators thread thats randy the guy that sold all the dying snakes to bob then everyone got hosed.
They are comming at me as fast as randy can have them register.
They are the ones that have a problem ME!

good luck with your money joel russ paid me so keep it up he will pay you too!.


:wavey:

[blitzscreen]

herpman do you have a venomous license .and if you don't ,or do where do you get your venoum , and last time i heard if you dont have a venomous license or if you do it might not relate ,but why would you need to shoot up on venom to protect you from snakes your not supposed to have and have hyperdermic needles around ,are you a diabetic or do you just like to shoot stuff into your veins ? my guess is are you and bud shareing venoum? because you to are chummy chummy :bomb: well hey you are all so telling about everything else share whit us

[bud mierkey]

Now I know your trolling your post is totaly off topic
stop it or you will get more points.
then banned are you russ or somthing even weirder?
go somewhere try another thread .
you registered came right here thats fishy in its self.
let us know why your here lets get it over with.
empty your diaper let it out its ok to cry.


:angry:

[blitzscreen]

i am on the topic that your buddy brought up about injecting venoum and i was just asking HIM NOT YOU ! if he does have the license and if he doesnt were does he get the venoum ????:AR15firin

[blitzscreen]

as the title says im someone close and i know what im talking about and you did have a good idea maybe i will start my own thread people who shoot up and dont have licenses

[Ken Harbart]

This thread has run its course, and the off-topic back and forth has grown tiresome.

If someone has something relevant to add regarding the original topic of this thread, which is Russ Anderson for those of you who've forgotten, I'll reopen it.