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I recently Bought the monitor listed here:Monitor sale add

I put a 150 dollar deposit down last friday, then paid another 400 on monday. The animal arrived tuesday and was very aggressive, expected from shipping. I contacted derek about it and his response was:


Originally Posted by RedicRetics
he showed up today, hes very healthy but he definitely doesnt seem tame, im aware it could be the shipping so ill wait till tommorow.

Originally Posted by Derekm
hes a little hissy but mellows out after a bit just give him some time to settle in to his cage and definitely give him a place to hide,

Originally Posted by RedicRetics
he got pretty bitey/whipy i cant really afford an animal like that. but ill give him a few days.

Originally Posted by Derekm
in the post it says he is tempermental he can be hissy i assume he is just stressed. when his nails are clipped he can be easily handled just like any other large monitor. give him a few days to settle in but i will not take him back. the animal is in perfect health and flawless. let him settle in and i dont anticipate you having a problem with him.


I sent back
The animal is far from flawless since its temperament is nothing like what you described.

Its been 3 days now and i havent done anything other then change the water and offer him somthing to eat, the Animal has in no way a " good temperment hisses a little bit but thats about it " it runs around at the sight of someone and will whip or bite the second the door in the cage is opened. I do birthday parties and work with the herp society I cant afford to have an animal like this, wouldnt have bought if its temperament was listed Accurately. i Dont even want my deposit i just want the second payment back and ill ship this unhappy animal back.
 
Hi Kyle, can you record a video of the animal being aggressive? have you made Derek aware of this thread?
 
I don't agree that condition and temperament are the same thing. I received an animal 3-4 weeks ago that still hasn't settled in. It quite literally hurls itself at me (a BP that strikes like a Bitis) every time I open the tub. The animal is flawless.
I'm not saying that the animal was tame in its previous home, but 3 days is not sufficient time to write it off. Shipping, new environment, different person, and different stimuli are all part of it. I've gotten comparably sized "tame" monitors before; and, for the most part, none were super quick to settle in. I don't mean to take this off topic; but I'd recommend minimizing physical contact, while showing a regular presence. Let him get used to you....it may sound weird, but talk to him. There's a pretty good chance that with the right approach on your part, you can end up with a very tractable monitor.

I don't know of too many people that will guarantee temperament; and, if you couldn't "afford" an animal like that, you probably should have focused on local sources so you could have interacted with the animal before purchase. If you aren't willing to work with it, there were a couple of interested parties in that ad...you could always drop them a line.

Have you had any experience with large monitors?
 
Agreed Harald. Three days is jumping the gun. A lot. Some animals take longer to settle down than others and the sellers can't always predict how shipping will ultimately affect them or for how long.

Nothing beats an unreasonable customer. :thumbsup:
 
MagickalMorphs said:
Nothing beats an unreasonable customer. :thumbsup:
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Maybe.... but here is what I see.

According to the add

Derekm said:
i have a 4ft + sumatran water monitor up for sale eats great absolutely flawless. for sale 500 plus shipping. good temperment hisses a little bit but thats about it other than that he can be handled without gloves.
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And when the OP contacted the seller... he stated the following

Originally Posted by Derekm
in the post it says he is tempermental he can be hissy i assume he is just stressed. when his nails are clipped he can be easily handled just like any other large monitor. give him a few days to settle in but i will not take him back. the animal is in perfect health and flawless. let him settle in and i dont anticipate you having a problem with him.
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Now if the animal was sold as advertised then why would you say you wouldnt take him back :shrug01: To me IF the following is true....

Its been 3 days now and i havent done anything other then change the water and offer him somthing to eat, the Animal has in no way a " good temperment hisses a little bit but thats about it " it runs around at the sight of someone and will whip or bite the second the door in the cage is opened.
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then an animal that whips or bites the second the door is opened is NOT "good temperment hisses a little bit but thats about it other than that he can be handled without gloves."
 
RidgeTop Reptiles said:
then an animal that whips or bites the second the door is opened is NOT "good temperment hisses a little bit but thats about it other than that he can be handled without gloves."
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Perhaps he was selling the animal due to personal reasons and does not have the means or space now to take it back.

And how can we say the animal was like that when shipped. I'm not a monitor person, but those pictures show a fairly calm animal to me. :shrug01: I've never been boxed up and put through the stress of shipping, but I gotta say that I probably wouldn't be a very happy camper when I crawled out of there. Would you be? It's been three days.
 
Like you... Im not a lizard person... but the problem I am having is the seller is not willing to stand behind his animal. He claims one thing... but then also says.. he's not willing to take it back... so I have to wonder if he knew it was not as advertised.

We may never know.. but that is the red flags that popped up for me.
 
RidgeTop Reptiles said:
Like you... Im not a lizard person... but the problem I am having is the seller is not willing to stand behind his animal. He claims one thing... but then also says.. he's not willing to take it back... so I have to wonder if he knew it was not as advertised.

We may never know.. but that is the red flags that popped up for me.
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I agree with this, while its been ages i have kept monitors before and they will sometimes take a bit of time to settle down ,it is rather suspicious if the seller has said he will not take the animal back in the way it seems he has.


Originally Posted by MagickalMorphs View Post
Nothing beats an unreasonable customer.

Way to go :thumbsup: This post shows much about yourself. The OP does not seem unreasonable at this time ,just nervous he did not receive what he paid for ,Perfectly understandable.
 
I was told to wait a few days so i did, if it takes 2 weeks i will wait two weeks, i Just dont want an unruly monitor that requires alot of work as that is not what i paid for.
 
ozz465 said:
I agree with this, while its been ages i have kept monitors before and they will sometimes take a bit of time to settle down ,it is rather suspicious if the seller has said he will not take the animal back in the way it seems he has.


Originally Posted by MagickalMorphs View Post
Nothing beats an unreasonable customer.

Way to go :thumbsup: This post shows much about yourself. The OP does not seem unreasonable at this time ,just nervous he did not receive what he paid for ,Perfectly understandable.
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I disagree..her post show nothing of herself but a reasonable opinion, why didn't you jump on Harald? He said basically the SAME THING.:shrug01:

The OP does seem impatient. THREE DAYS..give me a break.:rolleyes:

Harald is that Bitis mine?:rofl::rofl:
 
Sure does. It says that I think it's unreasonable to expect an animal to be completely back to normal after the stresses of shipping. I take it you don't ship much.


ozz465 said:
I agree with this, while its been ages i have kept monitors before and they will sometimes take a bit of time to settle down ,it is rather suspicious if the seller has said he will not take the animal back in the way it seems he has.


Originally Posted by MagickalMorphs View Post
Nothing beats an unreasonable customer.

Way to go :thumbsup: This post shows much about yourself. The OP does not seem unreasonable at this time ,just nervous he did not receive what he paid for ,Perfectly understandable.
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Kyle, I have read your complaint, the seller's emails and the ad, and have come to this conclusion, you probably should have asked more questions about the Monitor's temperment. It seems like you wanted a dog tame Monitor, but did you make this fact known to the seller? You knew what you wanted, you made up your mind that the ad stating the facts about the Monitor's temperment sounded ok, but you should have asked more questions, because the seller did not know what you wanted.
 
MagickalMorphs said:
Agreed Harald. Three days is jumping the gun. A lot. Some animals take longer to settle down than others and the sellers can't always predict how shipping will ultimately affect them or for how long.

Nothing beats an unreasonable customer. :thumbsup:
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this is the first i am hearing about this thread.

Friday i recieved deposit of 150 and held the sumatran for him.

shipped monday.

this is one of many monitors ive shipped and within hours of the shipment being delivered i had a pm from redic retics saying that the sumatran was too much and he wanted to send it back.

stating the fact that he had only had the monitor for a couple hours and the amount of stress involved in being shoved in a bag, put in a box and tossed around for a few hours, i dont believe you have given the animal sufficient time to settle in,

Before any transaction was made i informed you that the sumatran was slightly tempermental he hisses and whips.

as far as my reasoning for not taking the monitor back,
as you can see my registered location is los angeles california i shipped from central coast california i am attending school 3 hours away and do not have the time to provide the propper care and attention this guy needs.

appreciate the positive comments.
 
Derekm said:
Before any transaction was made i informed you that the sumatran was slightly tempermental he hisses and whips.
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Utta said:
Derek, do you have the PM/tracking info, to back up your claims?
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I don't think he needs to worry about tracking info, because both parties agree the animal was shipped and arrived as stated. However, a PM or e-mail showing that you did indeed tell the buyer that the animal is prone to not just a little hissing, but also whipping and is "slightly temperamental"...that would help your case somewhat.

I tend to agree that the seller hasn't given it enough time yet....and also that he perhaps had his expectations set too high when buying an animal sight-unseen. Monitors aren't known for being so easy going like ball pythons. :p I've seen a few really laid back ones, but it takes a lot of work and effort on the keeper's part to get them that way. I'd be surprised if even one used to being calm will stay calm in a brand new environment around people he does not know. But I'm not a monitor expert. I just think the buyer needs to be willing to put in the work and effort if he wants one tame enough to show off to children.
 
If you had said he whipped and was temperamental then i wouldnt have purchased him, and im also a full time college student who commutes 3 hours to my national guard unit.
 
within hours of the shipment being delivered i had a pm from redic retics saying that the sumatran was too much and he wanted to send it back.
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Thats why I asked for tracking info along with PMs, to see how much time had passed.
 
Redic retics has them as well I would but I have since cleared my inbox
He has all the information he can post it if he is willing to but exclude my personal information
Thank you
 
It's a little tough to say the seller is a bad guy when you haven't had the animal long enough to judge its temperament.

They need a couple of weeks to settle in, IMO. Stuff yourself in a tight fitting box, to be opened up god knows how long later, in a new environment with someone forcing themselves on you. You wouldn't be happy with that, would you? ;)
 
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