Info Ashley Caspillo-SakaraGT4/Sakara *Possible Buyer Beware!*

[Elizabethlea27]

The fact that you value your dead reputation more than your live animals, even when talking to the premier vet who could possibly help them, is sickening, Ashley. You can never undo all the wrong things you have done but you might be able to get some proper testing to at least know who needs to be put down and who does not. Breeding should OBVIOUSLY be out of the question for you, ever.
The least you can do is try to make life good for the animals you have responsibility for, and is makes me feel ill to see you refusing to do that even in a simple email conversation with a vet where you continue to misrepresent yourself and your situation.

I could say that in addition to looking after your own animals, the least you could do is tell people you sold to that their animals should be screened for IBD, but that is wasting space.

Again how did Phoenix die?

 

[SakaraGT4]

I told him that the LAST death I had was my burm, that is true. and I have spoken with him before... The reason for the 'basic questions' is because I was curious due to never asking him about blood vs. liver tests and the accuracy of them and how can I send him samples for testing if I don't find out HOW to do it? I need to know so that I can tell my vet that he needs to send them in "x" way if he doesn't know already with just samples vs. a whole animal. I have NOT had chronic mites... I have NOT had mites continuously since whatever date was said in this thread... I DID have mites when I bought aspen twice from shows, I already said that... I treated them and they were gone... And Kyle's had some mites in Sept. I said that too... they were treated and I guess there were some eggs around that got in the bags that were on Kyle's cages... I have blasted my house with PAM since then... I don't know why you are still saying I have "chronic mites"...

Kyle was also recently in contact with Dr. Jacobson about testing back in December.

and I have NOT had over 200 snakes in my snake room. I attempted to explain that before as well, but no one seems to read this... I have not sold that many animals, I was stating that between the couple collections that have been in this house that there were probably that many...

I also asked him if he had ever seen a pyrometra caused by IBD and his simple response was "No."

 

[Elizabethlea27]

So then Phoenix is alive and kicking eh?

Where are the necropsies of the other snakes that died after the BCL?

We aren't listening to your mite story because it's a lie proven by threads on RTB.net..

 

[sally-dog]

So then Phoenix is alive and kicking eh?

Where are the necropsies of the other snakes that died after the BCL?

We aren't listening to your mite story because it's a lie proven by threads on RTB.net..

It's a lie proven by yours and Rachel Wojick's Bolivians she sold you.

 

[amercnwmn]

I told him that the LAST death I had was my burm, that is true.

So...for the 9billionth time...
when & how did Phoenix die?
How many OTHER snakes have you lied about, or covered up their deaths/illnesses?
You posted updates with Phoenix up until about Spring of 2010..The Burm died in July 2010.

I'll also ask again:
Did you TELL Dr. Jacobson you'd had MULTIPLE deaths?

I have NOT had chronic mites... I have NOT had mites continuously since whatever date was said in this thread...

Wait, so you don't even KNOW when the last time you had mites was??
Umm how about the 2 snakes you JUST sent to Elizabeth and Rachel? Ring a bell?

Because of the way you acquired snakes, you really don't KNOW that the snakes didn't come from the seller with the mites, and to insinuate Kyle's snakes carried them is preposterous. Kyle's snakes were in YOUR care, so therefore they were YOUR responsibility. They came with NO mites, and now you want to insinuate they came from him?

I have blasted my house with PAM since then... I don't know why you are still saying I have "chronic mites"...

Just for clarity since you obviously have NO clue what I mean when I say chronic:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chronic

Definition of CHRONIC

1
a : marked by long duration or frequent recurrence : not acute <chronic indigestion> <chronic experiments>
b : suffering from a chronic disease <the special needs of chronic patients>

I'm too lazy to dig back up the MULTIPLE times I linked the 3 threads referencing mite infestations, but there are those in addition to the snakes you sent Elizabeth & Rachel. That constitutes my use of the term "CHRONIC".

and I have NOT had over 200 snakes in my snake room. I attempted to explain that before as well, but no one seems to read this... I have not sold that many animals, I was stating that between the couple collections that have been in this house that there were probably that many...

We KNOW what you SAID.. No one accused you of selling that many, Ashley, stop twisting words around, you aren't good at it.

What you SAID was:

the 200ish animals that have been in room contact with my snakes would have died from it if there was an issue

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1165480&postcount=166
YOUR WORDS...So did you LIE about that too?

I also asked him if he had ever seen a pyrometra caused by IBD and his simple response was "No."

Funny you managed to ask that but NOT supply the issues with mites, and at relay the info you've had other deaths that may or may not be related.

 

[Elizabethlea27]

THANK YOU Court...

Yes of course you gave mites to Rachel and I, no denying that, I am disputing that they came from Kyle or some random problem with Aspen bedding. This is a longterm issue caused by your lack of care and quarantine practice, Ashley, and it is one that spreads disease. In the context of IBD it is deadly, so lying and twisting words and blaming Kyle, who was unfortunate enough to house snakes with you, is just not going to cut it.

 

[Elizabethlea27]

Oh and sorry to double post but I got a call from my vet today: she also got an email from Dr. Jacobson on how to proceed, I am instructed to collect any mites I can find in a vial or baggy for testing. Beyond that I need to call her back but I've never heard of them being able to test mites for IBD before, sounds interesting, eh Ashley? That would be pretty much direct evidence that any IBD came from you, no matter which of my snakes comes up positive first.

 

[Skiploder]

THANK YOU Court...

Yes of course you gave mites to Rachel and I, no denying that, I am disputing that they came from Kyle or some random problem with Aspen bedding. This is a longterm issue caused by your lack of care and quarantine practice, Ashley, and it is one that spreads disease. In the context of IBD it is deadly, so lying and twisting words and blaming Kyle, who was unfortunate enough to house snakes with you, is just not going to cut it.

I'll dispute it.

I've got decades in this hobby. I've bought countless bales of subtrate from various sources. I've yet to have problem with snake mites in bedding.

I've also never run across a fellow keeper who can actually confirm their snake mite problems came from substrate.

Snake mites come from snakes who carry them. Without proper QT procedures how can any one blame this on the bedding?

When you are dealing with multiple new acqusitions, quarantine and prophylactic treatment of external parasites is of paramount importance.

Sticking your thumb up your bum and doing nothing and then blaming the bedding just doesn't cut it.

 

[reticguy76]

snake mites and wood mites are two separate species. snake mites are what is thought to be transmitting ibd. wood mites are just another species of mites that can be found in certain wood containing substrates.

i also do not believer that ibd "causes pyometra", i believe that if a snake has ibd, it can increase chances and make them more prone to getting a pyometra type illness.

i have read some texts in the past that linked pyometra to possible ibd carriers/infected snakes. is it directly related ? its not proven nor fully ruled out.

ibd severely depresses the immune system, therefore, leaving huge availability for other micro-organisms and pathogens to enter the body and cause other or secondary infections

 

[ShadowAceD]

Yeeeeah ... not gonna' let this fall off of page one.

 

[amercnwmn]

Yeeeeah ... not gonna' let this fall off of page one.

lol..On that similar thought..

An easy Google Search turns up Dr. Jacobson's HTML version of a PDF he has regarding Sample Collection.
The whole file is downloadable..but here's a link to the HTML version.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YKiRRFocLS0J:iacuc.ufl.edu/AnimalUseGuides/BiolSampColl.doc+dr.+elliott+r+jacobson+university+of+florida+samples&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

For the sake of space, I'll post the link only. It's a good reference to forward to a vet if you have reptiles.
Most vets understand basic reptile anatomy and the collection of samples even if they are non-specialized in reptiles.

 

[AddictedToBoas]

To whomever quoted me back a couple pages saying I wouldn't put all my animals down without a positive diagnoses. I wouldn't, even with the possibility of IBD looming. But I also would keep them as only pet's. Not breeders, not to sell, my personal pets. That was the reason for that statement. Though it perhaps was misguided being directed toward Ashley as she OBVIOUSLY wouldn't do the same thing. To her its about the money. I've kept FIP carrying cats before, it just means caring for them for the long haul and no more of the same animal in. Certainly none of them out. My snakes have been, and always will be, pets first, baby makers second ;D

On another note, I'm done trying to get the truth from ashley. She can't even tell the whole truth to someone who can help her. She ignores questions, drags her feet... I'm done.

 

[Pink Lady Exotics]

That was me that quoted you. The problem with keeping them as "pets" is that you are still risking spreading the infection further beyond your collection. Contamination on your clothing, shoes, hair, etc. gets carried with you to reptile shows, to visit friends that keep reptiles or if they come to your house, to zoos, etc. and then spreads to other animals. Viruses can live on surfaces for days to weeks. Imagine if you held your seemingly healthy snake that still carried the virus. The virus passed to your hands, neck, clothes, etc. You go to the store, pay for something, hand the money over to the cashier, who also happens to keep snakes. The virus is spread to him or her and carried home to their animals. This may seem unlikely to you, but this is how viruses are spread amongst humans every day. With a contagious, deadly, and financially devastating virus like IBD or paramyxovirus, that is a massive risk to take. Imagine if one of these viruses found its way to someone with a very large collection of high-dollar animals. Or found its way to a zoo with endangered rare species. This is the reason mine were euthanized. To end their suffering and to protect the rest of the reptile community.

 

[amercnwmn]

OPMV is a BAD one..I know Ashley has several people with snakes in and out of her collection, some that bring snakes over to her house to visit, etc.
She's taken snakes to shows, to pet stores, etc. Granted at the shows, the snakes are evaluated for any outward signs of illness, but sometimes some things just don't show up on initial visual examination.

I can't say that I'm surprised Ashley hasn't been forthcoming with Dr. Jacobson, why change a pattern now? However my disgust continues to reach levels at which astound me.

 

[KelliH]

I'm curious about something. Let's say Ashley makes the decision to put down all of her snakes and destroy all equipment, except maybe she keeps a couple of boas that seem ok, symptom free, as pets only.

She stays out of the reptile hobby and off of the forums for a couple of years. Then she decides to make a comeback and get back into boas again.

How would you guys feel about that?

 

[deborahbroadus]

I'm curious about something. Let's say Ashley makes the decision to put down all of her snakes and destroy all equipment, except maybe she keeps a couple of boas that seem ok, symptom free, as pets only.

She stays out of the reptile hobby and off of the forums for a couple of years. Then she decides to make a comeback and get back into boas again.

How would you guys feel about that?

Personally, I would watch.

This means that I would be monitoring to see how fast the collection was amassing and watch for signs that the same habits were present that caused the prevous problem before determining whether or not the she had learned a lesson or was just picking up where she left off.

I would also watch for attitude issues, because she could come back determined to destroy some collections if she had a big enough chip on her shoulder and thought someone "owed" her something.

But by posting this, we alert them to keep on the downlow so the post about what we would do... it accomplishes nothing..really.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Hoooooold up... I missed the part where she kept a couple of Boas..... Personally, if she kept some Boas..no way would I ever have her around my animals or do any transactions with her.

and the same strategy that I outlined in the previous post applies. Except, I would want to know also if any more deaths had happened.

Personally, I would watch.

This means that I would be monitoring to see how fast the collection was amassing and watch for signs that the same habits were present that caused the prevous problem before determining whether or not the she had learned a lesson or was just picking up where she left off.

I would also watch for attitude issues, because she could come back determined to destroy some collections if she had a big enough chip on her shoulder and thought someone "owed" her something.

But by posting this, we alert them to keep on the downlow so the post about what we would do... it accomplishes nothing..really.

 

[ShadowAceD]

Her current collection, as is, must either be destroyed or completely shut down until the animals die of natural causes or fall to the disease. No destroying everything and most of the animals and keeping a few. It will always leave the singular possibility.

Just becasue a boa is asymptomatic does not mean they cannot transmit the disease.

Remember, as of right now, you have to think of this virus as HIV and AIDS.

 

[ShadowAceD]

Edit: Or they find a way to actually prove they do not have the disease. Meaning, a negative actually means negative. That is not the case right now.

 

[AddictedToBoas]

I don't care if she gets rid of all the animals with the disease and starts up again in a few years with all new stuff. I would NEVER suggest her, NEVER buy from her, and certainly NEVER let someone I know purchase from her. This is beyond her collection just having IBD. She has done nothing but lie and I would never trust her to be honest about anything again. If she were to start back up again, she wouldn't change her ways because she doesn't believe she did anything wrong. The same thing would end up happening again, only, we wouldn't know about it this time because she wouldn't leave evidence everywhere.

Maybe it's just me, but that's how I feel.