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Bad Guy Jeff Barringer --Kingsnake.com hypocrisy

Lest I be corrected by someone who feels compelled to prove they are always right and just trying to help, let me correct myself first please.:
who is skilled at matching wits/intellect with an bloated, arrogant ego.
That should read "who is skilled at matching wits/intellect with a bloated, arrogant ego."

Still having to type with my left hand - cast should come off next week. :)
 
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Does the KS hybrid policy only apply to snakes?
I noticed Glades has a running ad for Caiman sclerops X yacariensis in the croc category and not the hybrid/integrade category. There are other croc hybrids listed in the croc classifieds from time to time as well. Just sayin'

Thanks for getting back on topic. This is what the post is about, the fact that nothing has been corrected, amended or attempted. If you breed a king x a king its in the Hybrid section and if you truely produce hybrids....well, your ad doesnt have to move at all. Hypocrisy. Thanks.
 
The evidence you posted of your conversation with Jeff B contradicts this. He let you know he was changing it, and you responded with your lovely "can't have it both ways!!"

Then he told you to choose refund or a suspension, and you responded again by complaining that he wasn't being hard enough on the boid people, and saying you were trying to help him 'do his job better'.

That is separate from anything you were posting on his forums.

I'd call that two prime opportunities to back down.

Yes, you saw the emails. What I cant show you is a simultaneous tet a tet on the forums that got erased. By the time he placed INTERGRADE into the equation my account had already been terminated.
 
How about keeping the personal pot shots and belittlement out of this thread, please. :NoNo:
 
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Unless you change your attitude, you are not going to be a plus to this site. There's a lot of collected knowledge here and more is always welcome, but you need to tweak your attitude before you will be accepted by very many here.

My attitude was announced prior to your followup. I am a sarcastic bastard. And when I post 8 hard hitting truths back to back to back and the next line ends in "LOL"......its called sarcasm. Look it up, it exists outside of CA where the weed smoking cuts its usefulness. I am trying to guage the collected knowledge, who is worth responding to, who is the class clown, and who are the B*tchers that always see the glass as half empty. Personally, I dont feel sorry for them. They breath our air, drink our beer and complain about someone actually sticking up for himself and others in public. Its good to take a stand, pick a side in a arguement and present your case. And its not always the side you choose but how you choose to present yourself. I'm ok if not everyone likes me because the ones that do are in for a treat, a fun ride! I do good things for good reasons with good people, but life isnt a popularity contest. The sooner you figure that out the easier it gets.
 
Hmm. So you were booted off of one online classified, now you have come to a new one and are doing one heck of a job of first impression. Unless my business marketing professors were wrong I'm not quite sure what this will do for your sales....

Sorry it's off topic, just pointing that out.
 
Jeff S,
I am new to this site but just want to comment that you do sound like you "think" you know it all and were very condescending in your post to the Kingsnake moderator.(or was he the owner?) I re-read it to make sure that it couldn't have been taken another way but both times it came off very rude. It is always a constant learning curve when it comes to these awesome creatures.
The better way to go about it would have been to let him move them to the hybrid/integrade section and to give it a couple of weeks and to chart your sales to let him know the true way this has effected your business.
By talking OVER people and not listening to what they have to say (we all disagree and it is a given) you turned alot of people off to your business. I am by no means an expert on any of this but have lived pretty happily for 41 years using these strategies. I have spent 22 years in the military(Air Force) as well. V/R Paige

Let me put this in a military perspective for you. If your CO asks you to put on a Iraqi uniform and fight against the US for a little while so you can see his point of view do you? NO, you fight for whats right and damn the consequences dont you?? I dont want any of my snakes cozying up to any HYBRIDS for 5 seconds for any reason and that should have been my call. I was raised to show that part of a man is sticking up for what you believe in, and just becuase a few people dont know what a INTERGRADE is doesnt mean my customers dont. I have some incredible snakes, I hope you see past all this bull to take a look at them in the classifieds some time soon! Thanks for your service!
 
My attitude was announced prior to your followup. I am a sarcastic bastard. And when I post 8 hard hitting truths back to back to back and the next line ends in "LOL"......its called sarcasm. Look it up, it exists outside of CA where the weed smoking cuts its usefulness. I am trying to guage the collected knowledge, who is worth responding to, who is the class clown, and who are the B*tchers that always see the glass as half empty. Personally, I dont feel sorry for them. They breath our air, drink our beer and complain about someone actually sticking up for himself and others in public. Its good to take a stand, pick a side in a arguement and present your case. And its not always the side you choose but how you choose to present yourself. I'm ok if not everyone likes me because the ones that do are in for a treat, a fun ride! I do good things for good reasons with good people, but life isnt a popularity contest. The sooner you figure that out the easier it gets.

It puts the lotion into the basket, it does as it is told, or it gets the hose!:eek:
 
Jeff,
I do understand where you are coming from just 100% believe you went about it the wrong way. Sticking up for yourself is one thing but not even giving it a chance to let the cards play out is another thing. We all get angry, feel wronged, are wronged at times but the smart (and lucrative since this is a business for you) thing to do is step back and try it. It, of course being Jeff(kingsnake owner) feels will improve his site.
I can guarantee you that there have been a bunch of times that the military has imposed rules and regulations on me that I totally disagree with but I really try to understand that is for a greater good. Be it for the sites or for the government. You are very welcome and thank you for thanking me. I am sure we all know we are lucky to be here in the USA. : ). Btw - both this site and Kingsnake are great for totally different
things and some co-mingle.
 
Jeff, for what it is worth, I actually empathize with you a great deal. However, when I read some of the pretty far-out things you are typing, well, I find it harder to take you seriously there brother. In all honesty, and this is by no means of malicious intent, I really thought you were right around 16 to 19 years old until I looked at your profile. The only reason I did that is because you mentioned your degrees in one of your posts, which is also what someone who may have just graduated from college might do, but probably would not. I'm not sure if you are married or have a significant other, but I too have had problems with typing something I was thinking at the moment, but should have kept away from the keyboard. Actually, that is a thing you and I have in common in a big way, but the difference is I am learning not to be so impulsive, and it appears you don't seem to be aware of the problem. One way I found to double check myself is to ask my wife to read some of the things I write before I mail them off or post them. She has a much higher social intellect than I do, and since we all have our own idiosyncracies, I don't mind admitting it.
The whole hybrid/intergrade thing has been hashed out to the point where all anyone is doing is repeating things that have already been typed at least once, but in most cases several times. Seriously, look back over this thread and see if you can find anything to bring to light on the subject that has not been already said, and I'll be glad to reason with you all you want. But if you can't find anything new to bring to that game, why not either close the thread, or focus on some of the other issues here like the fact you are having problems fitting in to your new 'hood? Believe it or not, I am pretty sure a vast majority of the people subscribing to this thread would truly like to help you. I know I would, and I can show you so in one of my first posts, but it gets kind of old if all your going to do is go back to how you were wronged by Jeff B. As far as that goes, just about everyone has said they think it is a jagged pill to swallow, but you basically blew it with your attitude. You need to remember when you are typing away here nobody can see your facial expressions or hear your tone, and approximately 90% of communication is non-verbal, so that leaves you with 10% of your normal ability to communicate in person. Hopefully keeping this simple fact in mind's eye will assist you.
 
Man, as opposed as you are to having your animals associated with being labeled hybrids, you make no qualms with having your animals being labeled as belonging to a pompous fire starter.
 
But since you are going to be here, perhaps you would like to address the other customer service complaints trhat you have had. You can't complain about customer service with out cleaning up your own issues. There are threads on this board about it. Then we can bring up the thread where you lied several times about a trade we made. At that time you couldn't even tell the difference between a Red and Eastern Milk. Now you are an expert on taxonomy. Also let us not forget that you sent me an empty box. When you screw people here, they are allowed to tell about it. You have been a regular complainer to Jeff B at KS for years, but your cries here may fall on deaf ears...

Thank you for bringing up this history. It helps those of us who were not aware, that the OP has more issues than classified ads.
 
Thank you Lucille.
Anyone wanting to take the time to read them will find other threads on this board about Mr. Schofield. He always comes across like this. If you don't agree with him (and many didn't) you are an idiot, ala Dan Scolaro. He is also very selective about who and what he responds to, kind of like Ed Clark. His animals are the best, (especially the ones he stole from me) and he will gladly tell you so. He spent years berating other people on the boards at KS, and was pretty much a reporter for Jeff B. I guess Mr. Barringer didn't appreciate it as much as Mr. Schofield thought.:rofl:
 
...and just becuase a few people dont know what a INTERGRADE is doesnt mean my customers dont...

Jeff, With all due respect, I think you either don't get it or refuse to "get it" because it gets in the way of $$$.

Many people see the mixing of animals that would not normally cross paths in the wild as something that should not be bred. BECAUSE... you don't know what happens to the animal after you sell it or trade it or whatever. Example: you unethically breed a Florida King with a banded California King... Then you sell the babies as crosses and the next guy breeds one of the mutts with a wild-caught Florida King and the babies look a lot more like a Florida King than a Cal King ---- so he sells all the babies as Florida Kings.

Also, I read the sad story of what you sent to David Scarborro.
Wow... Simply wow. I would never buy even a tic-tac from you. I read most of it but the most amazing part was that you sent a snake to him in a dirty gym sock with holes in it. That takes the cake.

Jeff you are one incredible individual and I think that actually JeffB was probably glad that you gave him the reason to boot you. All we get to see is this latest issue you have with him. I would bet that you have probably caused a lot of trouble for JeffB and KS.com, off and on, the whole time you have been on that site.
 
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Thank you Lucille.
Anyone wanting to take the time to read them will find other threads on this board about Mr. Schofield. He always comes across like this. If you don't agree with him (and many didn't) you are an idiot, ala Dan Scolaro. He is also very selective about who and what he responds to, kind of like Ed Clark. His animals are the best, (especially the ones he stole from me) and he will gladly tell you so. He spent years berating other people on the boards at KS, and was pretty much a reporter for Jeff B. I guess Mr. Barringer didn't appreciate it as much as Mr. Schofield thought.:rofl:

You might be overdoing it here...at least Dan Scolaro is still posting ads in KS :yesnod:
 
No thats not true, if you take two snakes that overlap and breed in the wild as Intergrades they are still intergrades when you breed them in captivity.
Just because you change the setting and "set" them up so to speak doesn't mean you made a diffenent animal.

When looking at intergrade zones, these are the result of genes from that zone combining to produce a unique combination that conveys some survivial advantage (as many natural intergrades are self-sufficient populations (example coastal plains milksnakes)) on the offspring. On paper as a simple cross it may look to be the same but in reality it isn't. There are differences in the genetic makeup between animals from different parts of the range that will not produce the same genetic combination as those found in the zone(s) of intergradation. These differences can be morphological, behavioral or physiological and can include thermal tolerances or dietary preferences (see my earlier post for a couple of examples of genetic controlled variations). This is because herp populations often show what is known as clinal variations (see for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cline_(biology))...

Intergrades in their own way are a animal that is the result of specific conditions in nature much the same as specific locality morphs. If all crosses between the parental stock are really the same then people could cross Eastern milk snakes and scarlet kings and sell the offspring as pure temporalis totally ignoring the pressures that produced true temporalis.

Some thoughts,

Ed
 
Can you please explain how he stole money from you?



Its easy to say stop the conversation when you got 30% of what you were paying for back.....at the time and still today there is no clear answer why if you breed hybrid boas you are allowed to post in the boa section but if you breed hybrid kings you cant sell em in the kingsnake section. If someone steals $100 from you are you happy when they give you back $30? $50?? NO, you want it all back or a very good reason why it was stolen to begin with. Alot of people can complain as to why I started this post but it has served its purpose. It has alerted people to the hypocrisy on ks.com, it has shown the level of customer service you can expect no matter if you are a paying member for 7-8 years.....my "14 cents a day"(more like 30 I think,lol)wont kill the owner of the website and he doesnt mind losing business. It shows many the direction of the business. It also announced that I am over here on Fauna now, and will be spending more time here. Get used to it,lol. I will figure out who are the complainers, kids, and the other people I'd rather avoid. It will show me who is skilled in a open minded arguement and who thinks a species is something you flush in the bathroom.
 
Can you please explain how he stole money from you?

Sorry, but please observe the topic of this thread and stay on topic. If there are any BOI relevant issues unrelated to this particular topic about other participants within this thread, then they really need to be IN a thread about them as the topic.
 
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