Alright man, if this is where you prefer it then here:
Basic outline of our agreement: I paid you $150 for your lesser male( a breeder lease), told you you're entitled to half of the clutches and offered a 65% discount off market price on my lavender project hatchlings.
Pretty geared to your favor I'd say. So got the male in '09, male wouldn't lock with anything from what I recall till about February '10. During the month of February he was put in with (dates are first locks):
1 normal, locked 2/8
1 normal PH pied, locked 2/15
1 normal, locked 2/22
The normal he locked with got a Pied boyfriend to breed with in March, so the lesser was never put back in with her. He kept breeding the other 2 normal females.
In March the lesser was put in with:
2 normals
1 spider, locked 3/5, replaced with Pastel Lesser
The normal kept locking with the lesser until it laid a clutch in October. The clutch pics were emailed to you. 6 eggs, 4 slugs. Same week that this clutch was laid you received your lesser back.
2 stayed alive, one died at day 30 something. The other egg went full term and was a normal.
Here's our PMs to each other through here that we have been going back and forth on.
th3jok3r
Name : Jaime J Pagan
lesser male
yo man i thought u didnt produce any lessers? what gives?
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PAVLOVK1025
Name : Konstantin Pavlov
Re: lesser male
Quote:
Originally Posted by th3jok3r
yo man i thought u didnt produce any lessers? what gives?
Your male didn't produce any lessers for me. We've been through this. But if you wanna talk to me about it on the BOI, I understand
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th3jok3r
Name : Jaime J Pagan
Re: lesser male
im just curious how u got a spider lesser... that seemed to have hatched out in the time i had lent u my male? how is it that my lesser didnt breed anything?? seriously... NOTHING????
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PAVLOVK1025
Name : Konstantin Pavlov
Re: lesser male
I got 4 spider lessers dude.
He bred 3 normals man, and only one took. My pastel lesser bred my spider and I had told you that in an email around the time that I sent you the lesser back, I'm trying to find it. I told you that whole clutch was doomed, and I even sent you pics. Kind of hurts my feelings or some shit to be honest, I had no reason to rip you off....I had never expected the girls a) not to take and b) anything to die when it did.
But whatever man, obviously you've been feeling this for a while or else you would've talked to me instead of through my good guy thread so whatever, we'll work it out.
How's getting back in going?
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th3jok3r
Name : Jaime J Pagan
Re: lesser male
honestly its been bothering me for a while man as you can tell... im trying to get the ball rolling again and its hard... i got females: pastel, spider, het clown, normal, o. ghost, sable, het albino (that is funky she gave birth to a axanthic looking baby a snow looking baby and albino, the guy threw in her silver son for free so il see what ican prove out) MALES: clown het o.ghost... butter... i met a local guy were gonna pair up some stuff he has some pastels spiders a lesser we should be trying some new stuff out.. i would hope we can work something out were the next generation in this thing and i would love to have closure so we can work together not against eachother you know?
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PAVLOVK1025
Name : Konstantin Pavlov
Re: lesser male
Ahh I know how that goes. Im actually getting out right now cause we're moving back to NY, but Brooklyn so can't really breed BPs out there legally. Waiting till October to really sell everything though since there's an expo that I'm going to vend all my stuff at.
What all do you want to know for closure purposes?
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th3jok3r
Name : Jaime J Pagan
Re: lesser male
well you produced lessers using my boy... whether you used him for a spider female a pastel female... etc... and I really got nothing out of it but lost out on a bunch of lesser projects honestly i dont think that is right.... at all
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PAVLOVK1025
Name : Konstantin Pavlov
Re: lesser male
I didn't produce them using your boy though. I used your boy starting in December and he didn't lock with anything until February. I was using him on my normals back and forth until I finally got a clutch and that clutch was dropped in October. I sold my hatchlings from pastel lesser x spider in October. That clutch yielded me 4 lesserbees, a lesser, a spider and 2 normals. That's where that lesser came from. The one and only I ever had to sell.
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th3jok3r
Name : Jaime J Pagan
Re: lesser male
Re: lesser male
this is what i mean... so out of aPASTEL lesser you got no pastels? all lesser bees and lesser... come on man.. and you couldnt do anything for me for hooking u up? seriously put yourself in my shoes... someone uses your snake and produces yet you get nothing back for that.. exactly why im on the BOI thread man where i think were gonna have to take this because it doesnt look like your gonna help me out here at all
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End of PMs, he said he'd rather talk about it here after all.
Why no pastel? I don't know Jaime, why don't the odds hit every time somebody puts two snakes together? Why does a one egg clutch hit the impossible odds while some 10 clutches come out all normals?
What projects did I keep you from getting a headstart on? You were out of ball pythons, you had no projects to work on, so that's nonsense.
I kept in contact with you the whole time, I told you what the lesser was breeding and had bred. You knew I was shooting for queenbees and had bought a pastel lesser, and you knew that your lesser was being limited to normals only breeding because of that.
Now I don't know what you mean by help you out, but it's odd seeing an issue that was assumed done be reopened right around the time that I'm getting out and you're getting back in especially since I've always disclosed everything to you. I understand your frustration but your lesser did not sire my clutch, and the clutch he sired was a total fail.
This is out here for everyone to see, I am open to all suggestions on a recommended course of action.
