Bad Guy west coast roaches Daniel Penunuri

[adminwestcoastroaches]

Malestrom, you know where to find me if you need anything. Same place I have always been. Same email and phone numbers, same Facebook. Come and talk to me.

 

[Spyral]

The members blast everyone who is doing business right and in the open.

People start to really expose the thief and the members still bash the ones doing business the right way.

So now we have exposed rene/Danial for who he is, and what he does with unlimited proof. Not to mention that we have copies of him accepting paymants as both WestCoastRoaches and as RoachesRUs to hide his scandelous ways.

Still the good guys get hammered.

I've read through this thread. Even taking out the fact that you took over ownership of the domain and website, which, while legal, could be considered shady, I think you've shown people skills that leave much to be desired. I don't feel you've shown much respect for participants in this thread (detractors or not), nor your own customers who've had complaints outside of the whole Daniel/Rene issue. I'm sure you're just fine to work with as long as there are no problems, but when problems from past or present emerge, I don't feel you handle them with integrity.

You pretty much covered up the fact that you took ownership of the site from a former customer until it was blatantly spelled out. "What? Someone is impersonating me? I have no idea who it could be!" turned out to be far from the truth, first you claimed he was an employee, then it turns out differently. It would have appeared less shady if you said "We have a former business partner/box filler that was not ethical and we are trying to re-build a name for this business". It was your choice to continue doing business as WestCoastRoaches, and as it happens - the name comes with baggage.

The issue with Mayday pictures was certainly your deal and not Danial/Rene's: http://www.mayday-pictures.com/west-coast-roaches-another-customer-service-disaster/ and your followup here in the BOI forum shows what it's like to deal with you when there is a problem. I am glad it got resolved, but to me it doesn't mitigate your attitude and I would take my money elsewhere.

Hopefully you'll also make it right with Malestrom.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Ironic how this thread has come full circle.

First we expose a thief for a thief.

The members blast everyone who is doing business right and in the open.

People start to really expose the thief and the members still bash the ones doing business the right way.

So now we have exposed rene/Danial for who he is, and what he does with unlimited proof. Not to mention that we have copies of him accepting paymants as both WestCoastRoaches and as RoachesRUs to hide his scandelous ways.

Still the good guys get hammered.

Lets take a moment to give southern wolf and GB their dues on this one.

You publicly defended and supported a thief on this thread and still decide to hassle ones trying to run an honest business.

What I did was publicaly condem what you did. I in no way supported Rene/Daniel other than to say I felt he got shafted by you!

You cant honestly think that by taking over another persons business and running it as your own the way you did is running an honest business. That website was built for SOMEONE ELSE. Everything else is irrevelant (sp?). You built that website for someone else and then when you weren't happy with the way things were going to decided to take back said website and operate under another persons business name. That is NOT an honest business. That is shady practices at best.

No matter what you people think of the deals that made between people, you do not see Darian being called a thief or scammer, nor do you see me being called a thief. I personally have taken no orders that result in a monetary loss to the customer. I handle my business and at the very least make sure people don't loss when they use WestCoastRoaches.com.

The first part of what is quoted above is quite comical. I believe I, and others have said a time or two that you stole Rene's business name away from him. Would that not make you a thief? Just because you built the site for WCR doesn't give you access to assume the name. WCR was his idea and you were nothing more than a web designer.

While folks may or may not loose when dealing with WCR... they definitely loose when they deal with you as a web designer. If you don't like the way an arrangement is going you will take their site away from them and assume their business name.

As far as the witch hunt here on fauna. I cant make everyone see the truth when they read this. I would like to think that people are capable of independent thoughts and not get caught up in the bull that happens when thieves try to steal your online identity.

For those who cant, I am sorry, For those who can, I welcome you to continue to try our services and products as you have been for the 2 years.

As for seeing the truth. I think there has been alot of verifiable truth that has been posted. Quite frankly... some of that truth doesn't paint you in a favorable light.

At one point in this thread you said something about proving that you were not honest about what you were saying.

Registered through: Domains Priced Right
Domain Name: WESTCOASTROACHES.COM
Created on: 20-Jan-11
Expires on: 20-Jan-12
Last Updated on: 20-Jan-11

Now I will admit that Im not the best math whiz out there... but that sure doesn't look like 2 years to me. Considering this is Jan 15th... that's not even a full ONE YEAR!

All you are trying to do is paint yourself in a better light than you deserve. If you're willing to lie about how long you've been in business then what else will you lie about? Truth be told... during that almost one year of business... you weren't even running it the whole time... but yet you try to take credit for everything.

We sit atop of Google due to my ability to market and my hard work. Simply because Rene cant keep his end of the deals he makes doe snot mean I am throwing my work away and wasting my time.

I regitered the site WestCOastRaoches, I made it with my own two hands, and I personally fill every order. I would not give that up. That is prime real estate.

And I have created a website for a friend of mine with my own two hands... that doesn't give me the right to take it over as my own. It was built for them to their specifications. Yes... I built it, I own the domain name and renew it yearly, but that does NOT make it my site.

Since we have mentioned Chevy in this thread. If Chevy lost its steel supplier, would the close up shop and just call it bad luck?
They find someone who can supply them and continue to do business.

You've got this all twisted. In this case.. you'd be the steel supplier. Would the steel supplier try to take over Chevy because they couldn't meet some quota?

As far as I am concerned this "Witch hunt" here on Fauna has served its purpose. It exposed Rene Morales for who he is, and what he does. a thief.

It has also served to expose your business practices and how you will treat your clients when everything doesn't go your way.

We have proven that you decided to build another roach site for yourself after you completed WCR. Therefore going into direct competition with one of your clients. I can only imagine that second site was built because of the convo you and Rene had about what the roach business can bring in money wise. That shows when it comes to business eithics... you're not ranking very high in that category.

 

[herpetologies]

This is absolutely ridiculous... I purchased the domain name roachesrus.com, then built it, and then I advertised it and marketed it. I told Rene Morales (a complete crook) that I would do all this for him and in return he would pay me back through shipping orders for my own site blapticadubiaroaches.com at a discounted rate AND giving me a percentage of all sales that he gets on roachesrus.com. It is absurd that all of you believe I do not have the rights to this domain name and website even though I PURCHASED it, BUILT it, and MANAGED it. He did not hold up his end of the deal. For example, if someone buys something on credit and they do not hold up their end of the deal the credit card company will take things of theirs to make up for the loss. It is how business works... When something gets repoed it's the same basic principal as what I did with Rene. I had invested my time and money and did not get what I worked for so I kept the domain name I registered that was rightfully mine and I now make money off it. Also, the fact that you say "you were just a web designer and that is all" is ridiculous. Think about it, you are trying to sell roaches online through a WEBSITE... What happens if you don't have one? Well you don't sell roaches haha. So. Tell me again, just a web designer? Anyway, do any of you people who keep thrashing on Jon and I have anything else to do or what? Because it seems that all you do is sit on here and bully over the internet, it really is quite sad.

 

[Mreynolds101110]

This is absolutely ridiculous... I purchased the domain name roachesrus.com, then built it, and then I advertised it and marketed it. I told Rene Morales (a complete crook) that I would do all this for him and in return he would pay me back through shipping orders for my own site blapticadubiaroaches.com at a discounted rate AND giving me a percentage of all sales that he gets on roachesrus.com. It is absurd that all of you believe I do not have the rights to this domain name and website even though I PURCHASED it, BUILT it, and MANAGED it. He did not hold up his end of the deal. For example, if someone buys something on credit and they do not hold up their end of the deal the credit card company will take things of theirs to make up for the loss. It is how business works... When something gets repoed it's the same basic principal as what I did with Rene. I had invested my time and money and did not get what I worked for so I kept the domain name I registered that was rightfully mine and I now make money off it. Also, the fact that you say "you were just a web designer and that is all" is ridiculous. Think about it, you are trying to sell roaches online through a WEBSITE... What happens if you don't have one? Well you don't sell roaches haha. So. Tell me again, just a web designer? Anyway, do any of you people who keep thrashing on Jon and I have anything else to do or what? Because it seems that all you do is sit on here and bully over the internet, it really is quite sad.

So hypothetically, if I wanted a website and asked someone to build it and for whatever reason it fell through... they "own" my business name? I'm just curious, not trying to argue or anything. I've thought about getting a website( yes I have and do sell roaches with out one). I would be really upset if I had a business prior to getting a website, then someone else taking the name and using it :-/

 

[Lucille]

credit card company will take things of theirs to make up for the loss.

Credit card debt is unsecured, in order for the credit card company to receive anything when it does not get paid it must get a court judgment, did you do that?

do any of you people who keep thrashing on Jon and I have anything else to do or what?

The reason the BOI was created is because there are people who scam others. Are you saying the inquiry concept is not worthwhile?

 

[Malestrom]

I found it worthwhile as when i complained to friend about 1/2 of a roach order of 1000 dubias (thats 1/2) that was 6 weeks past due they pointed me here. I was AGHAST!! I still am!!
Forget it wcr I dont want to know where to find you.
I am all about redemption and second chances but theres too much chicanery going on here. my new source is temporary as they are very expensive but the order was packed perfectly, not thrown loosely into a flat rate box and the roaches were bigger and healthier than any ive seen, so maybe the extra $$ is worth the lack of aggravation.
Because of this BOI I wont be looking backwards.
Thank you for this forum and this BOI
Excellent work and indisputable facts laid out for all to see.

 

[Spyral]

So hypothetically, if I wanted a website and asked someone to build it and for whatever reason it fell through... they "own" my business name? I'm just curious, not trying to argue or anything. I've thought about getting a website( yes I have and do sell roaches with out one). I would be really upset if I had a business prior to getting a website, then someone else taking the name and using it :-/

This is off topic, but while you do have some risk with hiring a designer/host, if you do register the business name in your state you could fight for legal ownership in court if you have documented proof. You should have a written contract drawn up that states you are the owner of the site, even if the designer does all of the work to set up, maintain and host it. You should have clauses in there about what happens if you fail to pay or are unhappy with the work. Generally, if you don't pay, you don't get to use the site content and have to start all over with a new designer, unless you had special arrangements for logo design, etc.

The domain name itself is different. It would help if you register the domain name yourself and list the web designer as the technical contact. This can be more cost to you as many site designers also resell hosting space and can get a domain name registered more cheaply via group discounts.

So the original registrant of a domain name can still use it, but if there is a damaged reputation associated with it, it would be better to ditch the name and just use a redirect to capture lost traffic. Otherwise, it can end up with the situation(s) here.

Rene/Danial probably had more to lose by going to court to prove ownership... with this/these issue(s), he apparently decided not to pursue it.

 

[Mister Internet]

Yeah, shysters like these guys are why I got out of the web design business 15 years ago. I hate being associated with people that do things like this, even if only by association.

People like this are, funny enough, the reason I jumped back in as well. I am tired of small businesses and unwitting customers being taken for a ride by unscrupulous "businessmen", so I'm doing my part to help... giving customers a REAL business experience that achieves their goals before a scammer tries to come in and screw them over. I ever use contracts and everything... it's something you guys should look into. It's one of the things that separate pretend businesses that people run with a corner of their garage and their PayPal account, and legitimate, actual businesses that DON'T FEAR being held accountable for their actions.

I have had graduate-level training in internet and IP law, and you would lose... SO hard... if this little dispute ever went to court. The way you commandeered the site is completely illegal. You know that, of course, but you also know that court costs money and this will never see the inside of a courtroom. Well, it saw the inside of THIS courtroom, and now you'll probably wish it had been settled in front of a judge lol.

And I just have to say it... whoever called that website "designed" needs to find a new line of work. It's like erectile dysfunction for your eyes... auughgh.

 

[Magic Merlin]

Yeah, shysters like these guys are why I got out of the web design business 15 years ago. I hate being associated with people that do things like this, even if only by association.

People like this are, funny enough, the reason I jumped back in as well. I am tired of small businesses and unwitting customers being taken for a ride by unscrupulous "businessmen", so I'm doing my part to help... giving customers a REAL business experience that achieves their goals before a scammer tries to come in and screw them over. I ever use contracts and everything... it's something you guys should look into. It's one of the things that separate pretend businesses that people run with a corner of their garage and their PayPal account, and legitimate, actual businesses that DON'T FEAR being held accountable for their actions.

I have had graduate-level training in internet and IP law, and you would lose... SO hard... if this little dispute ever went to court. The way you commandeered the site is completely illegal. You know that, of course, but you also know that court costs money and this will never see the inside of a courtroom. Well, it saw the inside of THIS courtroom, and now you'll probably wish it had been settled in front of a judge lol.

And I just have to say it... whoever called that website "designed" needs to find a new line of work. It's like erectile dysfunction for your eyes... auughgh.

OMG!!!

 

[herpetologies]

Haha it wasn't really designed or anything I spent all the time in doing seo and marketing. Go look at blapticadubiaroaches.com that's more of a design! Same as mybeardie.com. I did both of those... And to call me a "fake" or "shady" "web designer" lol that's really funny. I'm 19 years old and make more than the average American and I own several of my own businesses. And I work full time for an advertising agency and get paid very well. Yes I'm 19 and do all of these things haha so just don't say things when you know nothing about me.

 

[bobtard]

I'm 19 years old and make more than the average American and I own several of my own businesses. And I work full time for an advertising agency and get paid very well. Yes I'm 19 and do all of these things haha so just don't say things when you know nothing about me.

Congrats, your mother must be very proud.

We don't care, at all.

 

[Malestrom]

knowing you're a snake and untrustworthy is enough, thanks

 

[adminwestcoastroaches]

Funny how you people still attack us as if we are bandits when we are victims who got duped into building sites for Rene. We are no different that anyone who is buying from him. We got a promise of what to reasonably expect and got shafted.

BTW he is two or three threads below this thread in the BOI stealing peoples money and shafting them, has had his sales thread locked under the SoCal name on BD.org and still I am a bandit.

Yet he is still a poor guy who got shafted. You guys cant be serious. Tell that to the ones who have been ripped off by this sack of lying crap.

As far as my deals with Rene were concerned, you pay rent or you buy. He didn't buy so he had to pay rent. Rent come due, and he was evicted from the site and dealings.

Before me he had no business, no name, no site and no money to build one. I registered the business, I created the name and business, and I ran the business.

I built the site, named it, created the market while Rene stole, lied and tried to ruin anything that was created. When he was finally ejected from WCR and it seems Daran site also ,he continued to try and conduct buisness in our names to ruin what we have worked hard at creating by , you guessed it folks.

Lying stealing and being an overall snake using free emails from Google that matched our sites and taking peoples money.This is totally documented on this site more than once and in this thread. Ignore it if you like, that's seems to be the norm here at Fauna.

As far as the rest of the matter is concerned, I'm unsubscribing as this is a total waste of time. I do appreciate the fact that every time the name WCR is mentioned that the sites ranks, hits , overall traffic and sales increase dramatically due to this thread.

Enjoy yourselves, If any problem should arise its more than documented how to get a hold of me. If thorough this thread you cant reach me, look on the front page of Google, there I will sit.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Before me he had no business, no name, no site and no money to build one. I registered the business, I created the name and business, and I ran the business.

Says you... and I've already proven you're not keen on telling the truth. He told me on the phone that he was using the name before he met you. That is however irrevelant (sp?). You have been proven to lie and I have also proved that you're willing to omit the facts if you feel that will paint you in a better light. If you would still like to dispute this then I would direct you back to your original contact with myself and Josh.

As far as the rest of the matter is concerned, I'm unsubscribing as this is a total waste of time. I do appreciate the fact that every time the name WCR is mentioned that the sites ranks, hits , overall traffic and sales increase dramatically due to this thread.

Enjoy yourselves, If any problem should arise its more than documented how to get a hold of me. If thorough this thread you cant reach me, look on the front page of Google, there I will sit.

That is typical bad guy thinking as well. I dont know how many bad guys think that bad press is the same as good press. Just because it moves you up in the rankings doesn't mean you have a good service.

 

[MaydayPictures]

I too am in internet marketing. I've worked as a director of SEO/SEM and have held other senior level roles with agencies. The reptile/bug thing must go along with the nerd thing. I came in to this long past thread with a link to my blog about my encounter with Jon and now this forum post is currently driving the majority of traffic to my site. I too sit pretty high on Google for terms related to this. XD

I think that the sad part of this whole thing is the customer service aspect. That's what I was here about in the first place. If you just be honest and do what you say, your business should grow and do well.

Personally, my issue was dealt with as I was given a refund. It's unfortunate that I was the catalyst to unraveling a twisted web of bug guy breeder designer impersonators, but that is what the BOI is for. I have considered starting a website 100% dedicated to outing bad customer service issues. The results I've seen from this one thread makes me want to do it even more. Nothing makes me more angry than to pay someone for something and have them treat me like crap.

Thanks to everyone for the support in helping to determine what these people/companies are all about. I had no idea when I originally posted about my experience that it would turn into this very long thread.

 

[herpetologies]

Blaptica Dubia Roaches

Hello everyone,
On several of these posts about WestCoastRoaches (Jon Armstrong) and SoCalRoaches (Rene Morales), I have decided to chime in giving my experience with Rene Morales and all I have gotten back is people claiming me to be a "fraud" just like these other dubia suppliers. Well I think it's real funny these people saying these things about the way I run my business when they have not even ordered from me for themselves.

I'm going to be giving my phone number and email address on here so everyone can get in touch with me if they have questions or concerns about my selling of roaches.

If anyone would like to get in touch with me please send me an email at herpetologies(at)me(dot)com or call at 2zero8-9four9-4five29.

Thank you and have a great evening,
Darien of http://blapticadubiaroaches.com

 

[adminwestcoastroaches]

Have you had anymore instances of Rene Morales using a free email domain to process orders in your site name and stiffing people?

I have solid proof he is changing up his paypal to show your site, and mine as the site being paid with his name as the benefactor.

It appears as though he uses SoCal to process orders he fills, but uses our site names to rip people off so it lands on our doorstep and not his.

This week alone I have had to help three people get there money back from Rene.

As I understand he flat out impersonates you and I and processes the payments and then vanishes.

Pure impersonation from site name to personal name.

 

[knuckleheadiam]

I almost got riped off from Rene Morales a couple of weeks ago after I ordered roaches off his website socalroaches.com. Never heard from him until I filed a claim on paypal. Paypal did put a hold on him getting his money and they did refund my money.

 

[adminwestcoastroaches]

I personally think he is doing it just to smear other site names. what he don't get is he is losing a customer for everyone, even his own self.

Some people will cut of there thumbs just to spite their own hands.

Ignorant to say the least.