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Bad Guy Karl Koenig

I can post pics of the dead sudane he received due to demanding animals regardless of cold weather, karl doesnt even own a computer so I have no emails , if you read the whole post you would notice I said I learned my lesson as well to never trust anyone in any kind of transactions
 
Hey Michael I stumbled on this site and seen this post cause I also have delt with Karl but I had a good experiance, I bought a male Nigerian from him he was very knowleadgeable and helpfull. He Guarenteed the animal for 14 days and when I received the animal it was better looking then the pictures he would text me. I have had no issues with him I call him with question and he is always willing to help. It has been 5 months since I've had my Nigerian and he's been doing great thanks to Karl for helping with the lizard. Like I said delt with the guy and have a totally different outcome. I am looking to buy another one from him soon, he has some beautiful animals in great conditions. It's not fair to try and ruin someone if he's not here trying to defend himself.
 
Jose: Since you have a way of contacting him do so and tell him about this thread. That way he can go use a public computer ( like at the library ) and come here and give his side of the story.
 
I never said he didnt know to take care of them , I did tell him I was gonna put him online im not gonna call him and tell him to come I told him once I think thats all I need. I gave him a choice to pay me my money it had been close to three weeks and nothing. If he would of ordered wild caught animals from a importer and two weeks later wanted his money back ? What do you think happens? he knew they were fresh imports in middle of brumation and told me send them and its my fault? Why would I send him horrible animals when he had not paid for them , but I did . So you think I wanna burn myself? He owes me $120 for the last benti pair I sold him, why hadnt he paid me when it was a perfectly healthy animal? Theres two sides for every story
 
Double standard

It looks like you live by a double standard Mike! Reason why.
Mike kept asking me to sell him one of my pairs of Macfads that I had for sale. I had most sold for $700.00 each. He wanted a pair but said could not pay that much. I offered him a pair for $800.00 because the male was lame. I said I was not sure if he could breed or not. But possible, Because he could move around very well. I sent picture's to him and long story short. He liked and pay paled me the money. I met him in LA and he liked and excepted them.
A couple of weeks later he called and said the female has gravid and was starting to lay the eggs. He was still happy with them. Well. He did not do well with the eggs and about a month later he called me and said he was not happy with them wanted to return them for trade or refund. I said I would think about it. Never got back to him.
I find out a while later after I lose a $1650.00 sale of Uris to Natalie Mark.
That he told her not to buy from me because I ripped him off by selling him bad Uro's.
I was wondering why Natalie blew me off?
 
Proof that you never mentioned males condition

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
To: jerryvelasco
Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 5:06 pm
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics

Hey jerry how much did you want for the pair of philbyi?
give me a call

-----Original Message-----
From: jerry <[email protected]>
To: eljefedees <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 11:30 am
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics

Hi Mike.
When will you be ready for the Macfads?
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics


ok sounds good when ever you can take pics just let me know i just
picked up my female ornate and philbyi so im gonna list out the ornate.

-----Original Message-----
From: jerry <[email protected]>
To: eljefedees <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics

male is Noels Female is mine. The female layed eggs before but no good.
I
don't have picture currently.
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics


Do you have a pic of the girl? Is the pair your offering me proven? Are
these lindsays or noels?

-----Original Message-----
From: jerry <[email protected]>
To: eljefedees <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:09 am
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics

Yes.
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics


Do you have a female to pair him with?

-----Original Message-----
From: jerry <[email protected]>
To: eljefedees <[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 7:40 pm
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics

I sold almost all with out posting them. This is the last male.
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics


Can i see pictures of the somalians you have up for sale , im going to
temecula tommorow to pick up my female ornate and philbyi from my
friend hopefully his male got my female.

-----Original Message-----
From: jerry <[email protected]>
To: eljefedees <[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 5:15 am
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics

yes. I am selling all of the. seems like not many people want to spend
money.
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics


Hey jerry,
No one seems interested on the lone male sudan or the moroccon so i
might drop the price by like $25, problem is shipping is sky high now a
days so thats a addition $40-60 depending on location, but i do have
people interested on my female ornate. How are the somalians did you
decide what pairs your gonna part with?
-mike

-----Original Message-----
From: jerry <[email protected]>
To: eljefedees <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2011 8:04 pm
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics

How are you doing on selling your Uro's Mike?
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics


I would need to sell my last sudan male , moroccon and maybe my ornate
female depending if she bred for my friend or not.

-----Original Message-----
From: jerry <[email protected]>
To: eljefedees <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics

How much time do you think?
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics


Hey jerry
Did you know by when you wanted to start selling them off? I just
picked up another pair of algerians so if you can give me time to sell
some stuff off so i can raise the funds for a pair i can do that , can
you still give me a pair for $1200 i am a repeated customer since i got
the rainbows of you already thanks
-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: jerry <[email protected]>
To: eljefedees <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 3:15 pm
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics

Hey Mike.

Thinking of selling off my colony of Macfads. So if I do I wanted to
offer
you before I start. I want to sell the whole group but if I cant will
sell
pairs and trios $700.00 each Uro.

Thanks.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics


Hello jerry ,
Its ok, if you decide to part with a pair let me know i cant purchase a
lone female
thanks for everything
-mike

-----Original Message-----
From: jerry <[email protected]>
To: eljefedees <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 9:47 pm
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics

Hi Mike.

I went through my Macfads today. I can't part whith any of the male's.
Sorry.
Jerry.
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics


I sold my pair of sudanese today , i have one green male left to sell.
All i have to do now is sell my ornate female and maybe my morrocon.

-----Original Message-----
From: jerry <[email protected]>
To: eljefedees <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 9:11 pm
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics

Not yet.
I will this week end.
How are your Philbyi pair doing?
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics


Im selling the blue sudanese male this coming week to that teacher in
miami , and some one else i know wants to pick up the green pair so
that right there is enough for the female once i sell my ornate female
which im gonna try one more time to breed her and if she dont shes
going up for sale i should have enough.
Did you find out what pair your gonna part with?

-----Original Message-----
From: jerry <[email protected]>
To: eljefedees <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 11:55 am
Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics

thanks for the picture's. Do you have the cash for the Macfads already?
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:24 PM
Subject: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics


Hey jerry its mike here are the pics of the uromastyx , give me a call
when you decide what pair you wanna part with and hopefully you have
some pics
thanks
-mike rodriguez
 
These emails clearly show that you never mentioned to me that the male you sold me would drag his legs around like a crippled person , you jokingly said on a phone that he was very skittish but thats normal for alot of uros . As far as the picture you sent me of the male facing the camera was the only one i got , i did not get it a body shot no nothing else , did you also mention to me that he was missing two fingers from his right claw? There was a good number of phone calls and i always asked you if they had any flaws and you always said "no" . When i met up with you in Santa Ana , CA at the main place mall i inspected them for weight , fingers , nails , and tails how would i know that he was crippled when i never let them free roam on the ground. The first egg she laid was on 6/25/11 that was 2 weeks exactly after the last email. Maybe i would of had better succes saving the eggs if i knew ahead of time she was gravid , but there is no one to blame for that situation. I actually called you in the first week asking you what was wrong with him? and you had said that's why i had got him for $100 making my pair to a total of $800 . Who in the reptile business sells herps with medical issues especially with some kind of neurological issue in its back legs and still charges any kind of money ? I would of informed the inquiring party on its issues unlike something you weren't clear at all .

There was multiple times i asked you to do the right thing and refund me my money and you said no, I also asked you to exchange animals back for what i had paid and you said no. I think i tried plenty of times to keep my cool with you , you would figure some one wouldn't sell a animal in that condition who has paid you a good amount of money on previous transactions considering i paid $800 for a pair of benti and $150 for a philbyi male and i also helped you sell animals at the NARB show in anaheim in 2010 which you told me you were gonna pay me $100 for the two days of help and it took you until march of 2011 to pay me a $100 via paypal .

As to your assumption concerning Natalie Mark some one who believed your prices were to high asked me my experience with you , why should I of lied to her? I told her the truth how at first we had a good business relationship , but then after the last transaction i told her the truth of how i received a healthy female mcfadyeni uromastyx but got a crippled male mcfadyeni uromastyx that would drag its back legs and slide on its stomach by using its front claws just to get around in its cage.
I wondered as well why you sold me a crippled male and refused to fix the problem when i tried multiple times. I never told her not to buy from you i just said after my last transaction with you i would never work with you again especially how you did nothing to fix it. Would you have bought a pair like that knowing the male had issues? It was for her to judge if she wanted to business with you or not.
 
I'm Natalie Mark - mentioned in Jerry velasco and mike Rodriguez's last posts.
I'd like to start w Mike -
Mike was the first person I purchased uromastyx from online. He was very helpful w husbandry questions and was very reasonable w asking prices. I bought a male Mali adult and a pair of cb Egyptians. All 3 arrived in perfect condition and since it was the early summer weather was great and no heat packs were needed. The animals were packaged perfectly.
I then went on to buy 3 farmed wild caught ornate uros from Mike - same situation as the transaction in question btw mike and karl. I wanted ornate yearlings, mike knew where he could hand pick me nice ones so he picked me out a beautiful trio and I was so impressed when I got them. They were exceptional animals. They had a rough first month; i tried housing them together Initially bc they looked so good and appeared to be doing well in captivity, however, they each lost weight. I had to separate each and put in their own enclosure. I covered all the sides of the enclosures, and put them in a nice quiet room. I gave them lots of hides and kept the temp nice and warm. By month 2 they gained lots of weight and were eating like piglets. So, it's possible if Karl manages his trio of WC philbyi correctly they can make a turn around and become healthy captive lizards.
The next transaction was for 2 adult Mali females for the lone male Mali I originally bought from mike. Mike did not have them, but Karl Koenig did. Karl owed mike money, so mike set up the deal and then Karl shipped them to me.
I received the 2 supposed female Mali and they were in a horrible shed, but looked to be in fair weight (both needed some tlc).
Anyways, I called Karl to let them know the lizards arrived alive.
He then texted me pictures of Niger and moroccans he had for sale.
The one yellow Moroccan was gorgeous in the pic! So I inquired about sex, health, price, ect and asked multiple times if the animal I was buying was the actual one pictured and he said yes.
Karl told me $175 plus shipping. I agreed and bought the money order.
I gave the money order and address to my fathers secretary to mail for me and I told her to get it out that day. Karl called later that day and I told him the money order was on the way and I couldn't wait to get that good looking Moroccan. He then (only after he thought the money was sent!) told me that I didn't actually buy the Moroccan pictured. It was a sibling from the same clutch born a year after the one in the picture. How could it be from the same clutch if it was a year younger and why wasn't I told about this? I was very disappointed but since I thought the money order was already sent, I asked for pictures of the one I actually bought.
I then called my dads secretary - she forgot about my money order and never mailed it! Thank god! I waited for pictures from Karl before I actually sent the money order. The pictures never came despite a few texts to him asking for them. Karl did not use a computer and never gave me an email, so I too only had phone conversations with Karl, so I'm not surprised mike has no emails to support his side of the story.
About a week later, Karl called flipping out about not getting the money order but at that point I just ignored it bc I felt he was acting very shady.
Fast forward 3 weeks, I now have the 2 malis from Karl for 3 weeks. They weren't shedding properly and wouldn't eat. I soaked them in an effort to remove some of the shed and when I was able to remove the shed around the pores and vent, it became evident that one of the supposed females was def a male. I was learning to sex when I received them, but had a good handle on it at this point so I knew I was looking at a male. It also did not look like a Mali after the shed was removed. I alerted Mike that it was not a female, sent pics, and when he asked Karl about it, Karl denied that the animal in the pictures was the one he sent me. This led to a war between me and Mike, bc mike trusted Karl and their friendship.
The animal in question never ate from the get go. I offered every thing I could think of with no luck. I then started tube feeding critical care and pedialyte but the animal died 3 and a half weeks after I purchased it. I believe this was a failing animal Karl knew was dying, thought he could pass it off as a Mali female and sent it. The 2nd lizard in the deal, was a female but did not appear to be mali after the shed came off. She looked like a Dispar dispar, and although dispar dispar and dispar maliensis females are easily confused, she appeared pretty recently WC and a shipment of dispar dispar came in from Chad around the time this deal was executed. She took a month for me to get her to eat - she was clearly not totally acclimated and was being sustained on insects, bc she would not even look at greens, I had to trick her into eating greens and eventually got her on a strictly herbivorous diet. I can provide pictures if it's necessary of both uromastyx..
Mike eventually apologized after the animal died, and I purchased a true Mali pair from him after and he discounted them to make up for the karl deal.
I have bought and acclimated many WC uromastyx, and I understand how gorgeous perfect animals can go from fat to skeleton in a week. WC are so delicate and the littlest thing can cause them to go off food, and when they stop eating, they dehydrate more. Ppl often then try insects to get them to eat something, which makes it worse bc it's too much for their already compromised systems. I believe mike when he says the animals he sent were in good shape. Uromastyx brumate during this time of the year so that's most likely why Karl is having so much trouble.

On a short side note - with regards to Jerry's accusations towards mike regarding a loss of a purchase from me..
I had a terrible family emergency which I let Jerry know about and told him if I got things straightened out I'd let him know and see what he had left. I then spoke w Mike and a few other ppl and decided not to purchase from Jerry - mainly bc after some research I felt they were incredibly overpriced - ESP since I was buying 5-7 lizards and jerry wanted full price for every single one. I was new to buying exotic uromastyx like benti and philbyi, ect so I did not know initially how over priced they were - Jerry actually has advertised a couple of the animals I had looked into buying for $150-200 LESS then he quoted me. This has nothing to do with mikes BOI thread - so this will be the only time I will respond to this issue on this thread.
 
Selective memory.

Mike. Those emails were a small part of our dealing. They don't say anything.
Lets do some due diligent here. Why would I sell you two Macfads for $800.00 that I received $700.00 a piece for. Also! If I did not tell you the condition off the Macfad. After one day anyone would of called and said this uro is lame. You did not. A mater of fact you called Lindsay Pike to ask advice on how to help the female drop her eggs. You also asked me. Lindsay and I both said to take the male out of her cage. You did not listen!
So why did you not give back the Macfads when the female was gravid since I deceived you?

I want to address Natalie's remarks. Yes Natalie did say to me that her sister ran away and she would get back to me the following week to send the money. See! Natalie asked me several weeks before to hold Uro's that she would pay at the end of the month. We got along fine. I explained to her that the Philbyi she was buying were Tom Grebs captive bred. She was fine with the price. Told me that Mike and Karl ripped her off. Now! Natalie if you changed your mind for what ever reason you could of said so. But you did not!
Later heard about what Mike said and assumed that is why you did not buy.
I think in the future Natalie you should not tell people to hold animals for you for several weeks until you do your home work.
 
Jerry - this is not the place for this. It is completely inappropriate of you to broadcast my situation with my sister. There is alot more to it than you mentioned but its an extremely painful subject that you had no right to bring up - especially since I said "personal issues". If you had a problem with the way I conducted myself than you should have addressed me privately, not 4 months later on a public forum on a BOI that has nothing to do with you or I. Your public "reprimand" of my business etiquette is not appropriate for this thread IMHO. This occurred during the fall august-September, I believe, and when I told you about my personal situation you said you were fine with it and that you had someone looking at the animals and they were most likely sold.
To be honest, none of your posts really have anything to do with this particular BOI thread. You said Mike left out a lot of your back and forth dialogue regarding the male Somalian. If that's true, produce the missing emails Mike did not post on a separate BOI and discuss it there.
Again, Our dealings were 4-5 months ago and this is the FIRST I'm hearing of it. And if I'm correct - you DID NOT HOLD anything for me - the first 2 pairs of benti I wanted you sold, after I asked you to hold them, to ppl who had the money then and there. You then told me you were getting another benti group, I said I wanted a 4-5 instead of the philbyi and you said that was NO problem at all, then I immediately told you afterwards I had to wait bc of my family situation. That's what I remember happening, but anything further you should contact me privately.
 
Over priced

I would like to bring something up here about Reptile people saying over priced. What is over priced? Selling price is what the market can bare. It is based off of supply and demand. Also in regard to reptiles. It is not like your comparing prices between a new car from two dealer ships. Let me share with you some real numbers. I bout ten Benti for $1000.00 I had to acclimate them and lucky me. Did not loose one but took me awhile before I was confident in selling good Uro's. In the mean time I spent much electricity,
Fed them, Put them in there own cages to monitor each one. Spent $60.00 on Bl black light and 10.0 Zoomed plus Halogen heat light. Plus Diesel fuel.
So here I am at two and a half months in my care and I end up with three female's and seven males. I took this gamble to get some nice benti. sell a few and keep a pair for myself. Well! I lost. See when I did this there were almost none out there and none have come in the country for a long time.
But now that there ready to sell. There is another shipment that came in.
There being sold for $125.00 from the whole salers.

THAT IS BUSINESS!
You win some and you loose some.

So I ask is it a fair comparison between two sellers?
On top of it all you have to deal with people that string you along and then don't buy. Or they buy and get a gravid and come back to you weeks later not happy.

I would like to point out that I don't say only live arrival guarantee.

That is another risk in business. If I send a Uro by mail and it dies, Than I am out the money.

So! Am I really that high in price?
 
urokeeper said:
I would like to bring something up here about Reptile people saying over priced. What is over priced? Selling price is what the market can bare. It is based off of supply and demand. Also in regard to reptiles. It is not like your comparing prices between a new car from two dealer ships. Let me share with you some real numbers. I bout ten Benti for $1000.00 I had to acclimate them and lucky me. Did not loose one but took me awhile before I was confident in selling good Uro's. In the mean time I spent much electricity,
Fed them, Put them in there own cages to monitor each one. Spent $60.00 on Bl black light and 10.0 Zoomed plus Halogen heat light. Plus Diesel fuel.
So here I am at two and a half months in my care and I end up with three female's and seven males. I took this gamble to get some nice benti. sell a few and keep a pair for myself. Well! I lost. See when I did this there were almost none out there and none have come in the country for a long time.
But now that there ready to sell. There is another shipment that came in.
There being sold for $125.00 from the whole salers.

THAT IS BUSINESS!
You win some and you loose some.

So I ask is it a fair comparison between two sellers?
On top of it all you have to deal with people that string you along and then don't buy. Or they buy and get a gravid and come back to you weeks later not happy.

I would like to point out that I don't say only live arrival guarantee.

That is another risk in business. If I send a Uro by mail and it dies, Than I am out the money.

So! Am I really that high in price?
Click to expand...

This is in regards to the bolded statement. Jerry offered me these uros he had just purchased for $400 each bc he told me he paid $300 ea for them.
 
Sure it does. Mike slandered me. He twisted the truth and I am pointing it out here. I believe Karl is in the wrong but also pointing out that Mike doesn't tell the whole story. And I didn't mean to bring up your sister. Sorry
 
Listen Jerry - we can talk this out privately I'm sure, ok? I just wanted to share what happened in my experience w Karl. I should have responded the part about you to YOU, not here, privately. I was just alittle heated when I saw some of the classified adds. I'd like to squash it if possible and let this get back to focus on Mike and Karl.
 
selective memory or more like truth that you dont wanna admit?

"Subject: Re: Rainbow Benti and Algerian Pics


Hey jerry
Did you know by when you wanted to start selling them off? I just
picked up another pair of algerians so if you can give me time to sell
some stuff off so i can raise the funds for a pair i can do that , can
you still give me a pair for $1200 i am a repeated customer since i got
the rainbows of you already thanks
-Mike "

I think i knew the macfads were expensive that's why i asked you if you would do $1200 for a pair that were in great condition , when you told me that no the pairs were all sold and you had one left at $800 i asked you multiple times if there was anything wrong with them? Because it didn't make sense you sold them to everyone for $1400 a pair and why were you giving me a pair for $800 and you told me that since you had none left that was the last male , still after i asked multiple times of there condition and you guaranteed there health was awesome.
The reason i didn't call you the first day of taking them home was cause i put them in there cage at home immediately and did not bother them at all for the rest of the day i put them in a safe corner in my room were noise or visual things would not bother them. It wasn't till the second day when i tried to giving them hibiscus flowers the female ate from me instantly and the male ran off dragging him self with his front claws while his back legs looked like noodles and his stomach was hitting the floor , i called you right away and you said why do you think i gave them to you for $800 that was a great deal . I told you why would i give you $800 for a pair of macfads ? Knowing that it was a risk for them to breed since the male wasn't 100% mobile . Who in the community would pay a lot of money for a pair of lizards just to take a chance for them breeding knowing one of them is handicap? Does it look like i have stupid on my fore head?

Yea if you read correctly i said almost two weeks of keeping them she started to drop eggs , i left the male in with her for that night since she dropped them late afternoon and i had no cages available at the moment , wasn't until that night i made him a outdoor cage for him since the temperatures were extremely warm outside for him to live in for a long period of time. So i don't know how you think i never separated them unless you were physically at my home with proof that i never did.
Why would i give you back the animals when i asked before she started lay eggs for a refund or exchange of animals and you said no , obviously when i saw her starting to drop the eggs i thought at least one good thing came out of a crappy situation considering i had no mobile male to breed my female in the future. The female was never a issue , i never once complained of her at all i would complain to you about was the crippled male who i thought i got cheated from. You never answered if you would of bought a pair in that condition? Also why would you sell a animal that has has neurological issues and expect any kind of payment for them ?

I always tell the whole story i have nothing to hide from you or karl or anyone , what is karl gonna say to not being able to pay me my money for a healthy benti? or how he lied saying i promised him babies when i never did say that once ? I would love for him to come on.

:D


-Mike
 
Wow, this whole thing was started because someone felt Karl Koenig didn't do the right thing. Two more people stepped up feeling the same about Karl. Most of the last two pages had nothing to do with Karl.
Short and sweet.....I bought a Uro because my daughter really liked it. I decided to give her the opportunity to do something with it by getting a female she could breed with. Naturally, I looked for a good looking female. I was directed to Karl. He sent pics via text and assured me it was a female. I paid good money for a female. I was sent a male (Vet confirmed). Karl refused a refund when I asked for it. I offered to buy the male animal he sent at a reduced price (mistakes can be made) but again Karl refused. Those are the facts, no fat, no filler. Between text messages, recorded phone conversations and a couple of witnesses, I can prove all of that, and only that. Do the people feel it was right or wrong?

As for the person who felt that the "OP" and myself have similar writing styles.....we may have, but I live in Cookeville, Tn. I'm 102 miles West of Knoxville, Tn. and 74 miles East of Nashville, Tn. on I-40. I can be in Chattanooga in just under two hours and across the Ky. State Line in about an hour. I'm a Lt./EMT-P for the Cookeville Fire Dept. where I've worked for just over 20 years. Just an observation.
 
Sounds like Karl is someone to avoid. It's probably best to take any issues not directly concerning Karl's actions to a separate thread.
 
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