Bad Guy Beware of Jerry Kruse

[JerryKruse]

Hi Melissa....YES, this was said from early on. All the animals shown here are, in fact, clutchmates! =)

 

[thomas davis]

hey lassiter...

Again, I am not taking sides as there isn't enough known about the disease to make such hasty accusations one way or the other...
And I have no idea as to how Stu is keeping those animals. He could be providing for them perfectly...

john , stu posted pics of how he is keeping them. the thing is he only had them for 2 weeks before seeing symptoms and trying to work it out w/jerry. which he was unable to do so he brought it here. only after pressure here did jerry finally say he would do the right thing and refund him.
now jerry is in damage control mode.
really none of this was/is neccasary. simply refund him dont have sheeple come to your defense about how animals they got are great some say they didnt even pay for them completely YET 3100.00 from stu and he is forced to bring the problem here...
no hasty accusations maybe its NOT ZD but from the pics ive seen i'd say it is, as do many others. like jerrys refund... time will tell.
still doesnt change the fact that stu paid 3100.00 to jerry and within 2 weeks they looked like pics he has posted! then jerry completely dodged him and left him no option aside from posting his experience here! this is completely UNACCEPTABLE and shouldve been fixed by jerry then.
if your gonna play snake breeder/dealer and charge that kinda money for 6 snakes you damn well stand behind them and do the right thing ESPECIALLY when the time frame is only 2 weeks after the transaction!!! jerry has said he will do the right thing. like ive said over&over again its a shame it had to brought here in the first place. the way jerry handled it speaks VOLUMES, but then again jerry refunding stu also speaks VOLUMES.
i dont see a bad guy... YET.
time will tell.

 

[JerryKruse]

Tom......could you perhaps push that knife in a little deeper, it's not all the way in yet.....*wince*.....ow.....thanks. =)

 

[hhmoore]

Be careful what you wish for, Jerry.....

 

[thomas davis]

jerry

come on now, look at my last 2 statements. this is all of YOUR doing when it was a simple fix from the get go.

 

[Christina Vincent]

For the satisfied customers, what are your husbandry techniques for the snakes you got from the same clutch as Stu's? Stu broke down his in pics w/details here. From what I researched on Stu's techniques, his set up is pretty ideal and he monitors them consistantly for changes making adjustments if needed. What are your temps and humidity at? Maybe the snakes from this clutch are a lil diff than the majority and some ZD papers I researched touched on the possibility of enviormental change triggers in genes that all snakes of the species have to begin with but the theroy was ZD didn't present itself until after the stress of an enviormental change (change factors were unknown-individualized by individual snake), a few people in this thread wondered the science behind this disease, altitude change/location differences is a GREAT theroy! So I suppose what I'm getting at is there is no test for ZD, it is a possibility the snakes Stu bought have it and there is a possibility they have another problem. I do NOT think Stu's husbandry techniques lack in any way shape or form. I ask about the satisfied customers techniques due to clutch mates being healthy, maybe this clutch has a "tweak" in the micro climate needed compared to another clutch not from Jerry's stock.

 

[JerryKruse]

....and this doesnt have to keep being re-hashed over and over. Beating a dead horse. WE GET IT. Let it go and allow us to do what we need to do. You call it damage control, I call it a series of events that went awry between two very different people that didn't look at the problem the same way. The fact that I continue to make commentary here isn't damage control, however if you or anyone else continue to WANT to look at it that way for whatever your reason may be, I could also very well NOT maintain a daily presence here -- and I'm positive THAT would be misconstrued in some negative way as well. So what would you prefer? =)

Harald, not sure what that commentary means but that could go in many directions. What I utililized was a little thing called humor. Try it sometime, as it's the end-all-be-all cure for being tired and cranky. =)

 

[TONY D]

At John L.

Darn good post John! An interesting angle indeed. Very good reason for Jerry to take extreme quarantine measures when he gets the animals back.

 

[Bobby O]

Gee Jerry???

You sure have alot of time to spend on BOI for endless rants/responses. Don't you have someone's money to repay, a sick mother, and two kids to take care of instead of wasting your time on BOI?

 

[Lucille]

....and this doesnt have to keep being re-hashed over and over.

fact that I continue to make commentary here

So when others still have commentary it is hash, but it is OK when you do it?

 

[StuTennyson]

update

These are pics of the 2 het females taken this morning. They both shed last night. It was their 4th shed each since receiving them and the problems began.

Just a reminder as to what this thread is to me. I purchased some snakes that I am not happy with. I don't know what their problem is and it would appear from this thread that nobody else really knows for certain either. But that is beside the point because I don't want them and have asked for a refund. Jerry has agreed to give me a full refund so I am hopeful that will happen.

Stu Tennyson

 

[Christina Vincent]

Oh and by the way I would also recommend that Stu quarantines his collection now as well unless they were located in a different location with no cross contamination.

With Show Me's advice above 100%

ZD or not, due to the sensitivity of these snakes and the unknown factors of possible disease, this is a very good reminder. While a good keeper quarantines ALL new stock coming in (or should), by the time the possibility of a unknown disease that could be contagious is thought to be present cross contamination has usually had time to happen (washing water/soaking bowls in the same sink, neglecting to wash hands just once, swapping cage lids/hides after washing in same said sink)

I also agree with the 6 month statement Show Me made, the info I read on different conditions (including ZD), all showed large variations in self correcting skin problems and disease incubation times (4-12 months varying per condition and/or disease and individual snake) so Jerry, just to er on the side of caution I would keep these 6 snakes in quarantine for 12 months and document the progress. I say this because in fact it could help put more documentation out there on these beautiful creatures and things that try and wipe them out. If they have a full awesome recovery you have step by step documentation to go with them and posting that somewhere (here @ Fauna of course is my vote lol) could really help someone with similar issues and keep them from destroying a collection on a maybe...(tho at risk of an entire collection I myself would go on that "maybe"). And if for some chance it is ZD and they don't make it, log photograph and save snakes everything and send the info to a university or someone that can further research this and with more knowledge of it find a way to prevent or at least treat it.

 

[StuTennyson]

My husbandry techniques have come under scrutiny during the course of this thread. I have responded with details and pics as to how I have maintained these snakes. I've noticed since posting pics showing current humidity that there has not been any comments regarding the possibility that my snakes are being maintained too dry. So I guess that means they are acceptable conditions... It would be nice to see some similar evidence from those that have made recent posts regarding their zonata's and how perfectly healthy they are. Maybe we (I) can learn how better to keep them.

 

[hhmoore]

It would be nice to see some similar evidence from those that have made recent posts regarding their zonata's and how perfectly healthy they are. Maybe we (I) can learn how better to keep them.

While I can certainly see the relevance of such posts - they would be better suited to the discussion forums (rather than the BOI)

 

[JerryKruse]

Bobbo, you really have issues too it appears. Nothing more than an antagonistic #!@*. And I still got the same two words for ya, just in capital letters this time. Aggression begets aggression, or didnt you learn that already......thanks for your ill-concern for my mother as well. %@$!#@(#&*$&$^#&........ Hope it never happens to YOU tough guy.

See everyone at month end.

 

[JerryKruse]

Oh, and Lucille....you're another one. What is your issue... I have been RESPONDING to others, not generating it. Hope that clarifies it for you. Take care.

 

[Christina Vincent]

Stu, your techniques are great, your temps and humidity are ideal and the pics you posted are awesome to help show what a great herp daddy you are. I was only curious about the way the 2 customers that have snakes from the same clutch are keeping theirs. You are 100% right in returning these snakes. They should have been in amazing health and they are not. For what ever the reason they are not, it will be Jerry's to deal with and hopefully you will find new beautiful specimens to actually start what you were trying to accomplish when buying these. I was only curious as to the clutch mates because of some research I did on the ZD, not to have anyone tell you to try anything other than you are doing now.

because of this, I agree with hhmoore, as that info would be better off in the discussion forums. I'm sorry I asked for it on a BOI thread

 

[StuTennyson]

While I can certainly see the relevance of such posts - they would be better suited to the discussion forums (rather than the BOI)

I can appreciate and understand what you are saying. However, I was trying to be polite and non-accusatory. What I was trying to say was that my husbandry techniques were questioned and I responded adequately. It appeared to me that a few folks responded with testimony on Jerry's behalf (which I don't have a problem with) but felt they should back up what they say with a little evidence like I did. My bad.

 

[TONY D]

Stu, this might be a bit off topic but in regards to your, or anyone's husbandry, sometimes all that is needed for a snake or group of them not to thrive is for things to be different. My coastals sometimes have issues when I move them from a shoe box to a sweater box. Some just seem to not like the new surroundings, miss the security of a smaller cage..... or something, your guess is as good as mine as to what the issue is but they stop feeding and don't turn around unless I do something. My solution eventually was to put the shoe box with the lid ajar in the sweater box and let the snake acclimate at its own pace. This is now standard practice and I've had them stay in the sweater box (mostly) for as long as a year.

In any case the point is that the critters can be complex even to us old hats who've been keeping them for years. Having a problem with husbandry is NOT indicative of bad conditions or being a bad keeper. Sometimes despite our best attempts certain animals do poorly for us. In my old diggs I could not keep grey bands and to this day, though I love them, I have cold feet about trying them again in my new place.

 

[Lucille]

RESPONDING

Every poster except the OP has responded to something they read. Nice try.