Info TRUTHS ABOUT THE HIDDEN GENE WOMA THAT ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT OF KEVIN MCCURELY(NERD)

[HerpVenue]

looking forward to the multiple pictures of the multiple clutches of the clumped eggs stuck together with NON Granite HGW's, Granite HGW's, real Granites (non hgw), and normals or single NON granite mutations all coming out of the same clutches of clumped eggs. Not individual pictures of eggs or freshly hatched snakes. Not a big request with everything that we provided for you.

Goodbye for now

Actually it is a big request. There are some people out there. Like me. who separate their eggs.

Also the animals do not come out all at the same time. DUH ! Last year was my first year with BP breeding and even I knew that.

 

[Cp3_Pythons]

We had this picture out of shed the whole time. I just wanted Kevin to show his true colors which he did.. I was waiting for the pic of the founding animal and thanks Kevin for putting it on your Facebook page. I also personally want to thank SASHIA for bringing it over to the BOI as well.

Way to go guys and totally give it up... We had the picture of the founding animal as soon as it was posted on the Facebook page... Ray Charles could even see that this is the Hidden Gene Woma Lineage.

Not to mention it looks so much more like its FOUNDING animal Than the Granite Hidden Gene Woma that throws no GRANITES and ONLY REPRODUCES ITSELF.. Thanks Everyone...

As I stated before. Our animal was released by Kevin back in the day. None of you other than Kevin can show any woma looking like this. Because it is an "Original Hidden Gene Woma"

By the way Matt and NERD Cheerleaders give it up and don't PUKE on yourselves....LOL Everyone acted just the way we thought they would...

Finally Signing off. Joe Capone Power House Reptiles

I seriously doubt that animal was released by Kevin as you state you probably bought a woma and said hey wouldn't it be great if this was a HGW... Clark said give it awhile and we will produce some babies and that's what we will call them...

Joe your right It's an ORIGINAL WOMA and that is it nothing HG in that animal NONE Acting the way you thought we would... Yes Come to the BOI without hard factual evidence ( which you STILL have NOT PROVIDED ) and try and tell us what something is when it's clearly not... Yes we will have something to say...

This is the umptenth time you've finally signed off... You can't even keep that promise SMFH...

if your all a bunch of haters give it a rest, both animals show the same blushing .flames even the white trim. theyre obviously the same . if he reversed them you would all be saying the same crap.bottom line you dont like it dont buy it.we saw the hatchlings make your own decisions. if someone has pics put em up or shut up dont go bashing stuff because nerd sold you a nice pastel 10 yrs ago or own one of his now famous hg lessers [which is actually grand theft] everything looks legit except for alot of petty name calling. i dont need to marry a geneiologist to see what the majority of the people on this thread are trying to do . give it a rest

Spoken like a true "hater"... How is it Grand Theft?? Yes everything Joe at PHR said is legit ... except for the fact he doesn't have one bit of actual providable proof to back any of his claims.... Only a handful of people that buy his bogus claims and are doing so to get 15% off of a 80% overpriced misrepresented animal. The majority of us on this thread are simply trying to provide actual proof to disprove Joe at PHR and Clark of PHR which has been done over, over, over, and over again.... yet as usual Joe at PHR or his sidekick Clark have yet to provide any real evidence to base their claims on... the same proof they said they have yet they provide nothing... and where the ones who are in the wrong...

Please explain your logic?? No matter of fact please don't I doubt it will make any sense anyway...

I could not have said it better myself sir. Willow are you serious spider, nope not even close, no cigar for that 1. the picture joe showed is a hidden gene woma. K. Matthews

No the picture looks like an ugly spider ... seriously though... and to be truthfully honest the picture Joe at PHR originally posted ( after the in shed pic) looks to be altered the sharpness and smoothness seem to out of line...
Either way the animal Joe at PHR posted looks more like a spider than it does a woma... and doesn't even come close to comparison to the REAL HGW's now sit back down... and continue to smoke on the victory cigar you've clearly lighted to early... as the is no victory for PHR in this one... Just another failure notch to their growing list of failure's and unkept promise's... Joe & Clark I believe it's time for you change your business's name again...


Joe at PHR... I'm really starting to think you and Clark both need to go take some course in basic ball python mutations maybe Kevin could give you both the basic rundown on basic morphs if you ask nicely...

 

[mountain top]

I seriously doubt that animal was released by Kevin as you state you probably bought a woma and said hey wouldn't it be great if this was a HGW... Clark said give it awhile and we will produce some babies and that's what we will call them...

Joe your right It's an ORIGINAL WOMA and that is it nothing HG in that animal NONE Acting the way you thought we would... Yes Come to the BOI without hard factual evidence ( which you STILL have NOT PROVIDED ) and try and tell us what something is when it's clearly not... Yes we will have something to say...

This is the umptenth time you've finally signed off... You can't even keep that promise SMFH...




Spoken like a true "hater"... How is it Grand Theft?? Yes everything Joe at PHR said is legit ... except for the fact he doesn't have one bit of actual providable proof to back any of his claims.... Only a handful of people that buy his bogus claims and are doing so to get 15% off of a 80% overpriced misrepresented animal. The majority of us on this thread are simply trying to provide actual proof to disprove Joe at PHR and Clark of PHR which has been done over, over, over, and over again.... yet as usual Joe at PHR or his sidekick Clark have yet to provide any real evidence to base their claims on... the same proof they said they have yet they provide nothing... and where the ones who are in the wrong...

Please explain your logic?? No matter of fact please don't I doubt it will make any sense anyway...




No the picture looks like an ugly spider ... seriously though... and to be truthfully honest the picture Joe at PHR originally posted ( after the in shed pic) looks to be altered the sharpness and smoothness seem to out of line...
Either way the animal Joe at PHR posted looks more like a spider than it does a woma... and doesn't even come close to comparison to the REAL HGW's now sit back down... and continue to smoke on the victory cigar you've clearly lighted to early... as the is no victory for PHR in this one... Just another failure notch to their growing list of failure's and unkept promise's... Joe & Clark I believe it's time for you change your business's name again...


Joe at PHR... I'm really starting to think you and Clark both need to go take some course in basic ball python mutations maybe Kevin could give you both the basic rundown on basic morphs if you ask nicely...

make sure to be first in line 1 for class. your whole dissertation that kevin didn't ever lie just shows me the truth you are just like kevin mccurley and that is not a compliment in my book.

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Hey Kevin

I'm still waiting for your list of all of the characteristics of a hidden gene woma. Now there are some tricky ones so be specific please.

Thanks!

 

[Joe at PHR]

We had this picture out of shed the whole time. I just wanted Kevin to show his true colors which he did.. I was waiting for the pic of the founding animal and thanks Kevin for putting it on your Facebook page. I also personally want to thank SASHIA for bringing it over to the BOI as well.

Way to go guys and totally give it up... We had the picture of the founding animal as soon as it was posted on the Facebook page... Ray Charles could even see that this is the Hidden Gene Woma Lineage.

Not to mention it looks so much more like its FOUNDING animal Than the Granite Hidden Gene Woma that throws no GRANITES and ONLY REPRODUCES ITSELF.. Thanks Everyone...

As I stated before. Our animal was released by Kevin back in the day. None of you other than Kevin can show any woma looking like this. Because it is an "Original Hidden Gene Woma"

By the way Matt and NERD Cheerleaders give it up and don't PUKE on yourselves....LOL Everyone acted just the way we thought they would...

Finally Signing off. Joe Capone Power House Reptiles

Kevin,
If you come out and try to twist and lie any more. I am telling you right now I am telling all these people how you are keeping huge secrets on the CORALGLOWS and what they have in common with the WHITESMOKE. Keep lying Kevin because it is going to get a lot worse for you here. Everything is a big mistake huh? Yeah, Sure....LOL Save all your Lying make no sense explanations.

You and your crew are the most unethical, have no morals of the consumer, and CHARLETON's I have ever seen in my life. I don't know how anyone could buy anything from these guys especially you Kevin. With Snakes like the Candy balls, Toffee's, Desert's, CORSLGLOWS and so on. No disclosure at all just big lyes and Buyer Beware Mentality. You make me want to vomit Kevin. And Matt just shut up already.

Joe Capone at Power House Reptiles

 

[mountain top]

hey joe I do believe it was speaking to me and hoping that I would stroke his ego and I have no intention of it. k. Matthews

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

LOL...c'mon Joe. You've started this thread for one purpose only and that's to attack Kevin. You've failed miserably at it and now your going to try and switch gears to the coral glows? I hope his huge secrets about them are more interesting than the BS you tried to spew about the hidden gene womas. Maybe next time pick on a morph that's not in such high demand all over the world. I see a sinking ship and you're the captain...

 

[saskia]

Just for the record for everyone. Here is Kevin's Founding Hidden Gene WOma. That he posted on his facebook page and was posted here.

Now here is our Founding Hidden Gene Woma Dam out of shed. Clearly not a regular Woma

Just wanted to post this pic out of shed and now everyone can bury it like Clark said.

I don't want to hear how it was a mistake putting up or anything like that. You guys tried to show a Granite Enchi Hidden Gene Woma in the Ballboutique's ball python forum thread as Kevin's founding animal period. Nice try guys.

Our animal is the Original Hidden Gene Woma. Everything we said was true. Now the hijackers can bury this and be careful of slander.

Joe, I have my questions about "hG Lesser" not HG Woma.

I'm sorry but do you really not see the differences between your snake and Kevins ? Kevins is brown and has very light eyes, yours really just looks like my normal woma: Brown, brown/black eyes and black stripes

 

[Gary O]

Joe wants what Kevin has..... But the funny thing is Joe could not do anything if it was not for his lacky. Joe is on an ego trip. lmao...... Joe how does it feel you need someone... So you are not making these animals you are posting... Clark is......

Again....Jow wants what Kevin has. He can not do it by just breeding and minding his own business. He has to go after everyone. Next he will go after Brian about the Lori.... Ralph about the Platty. How about going after everyone involved in the banana project.

Joe why can't you just build yourself off what you have done... oh yeah I mean what Clark has done?

 

[Snake-Queen]

Too bad I'm all out of Karma

 

[bxjoon]

This dude Joe is getting more and more pathetic. Now you wanna start on the coral glow stuff...FML. Hey MOD's I love this site but this is getting ridiculous. Dude you honestly need some therapy.

 

[Scottico]

Many of the posts in this thread make me think about a bunch of kids on a playground hurling insults. Unfortunately, this seems to be the prevailing culture in the reptile industry in the United States. I fear that this is one reason among others why our hobby is being eaten away by legislation. We often appear and behave like irresponsible people.

 

[Lucille]

Many of the posts in this thread make me think about a bunch of kids on a playground hurling insults. Unfortunately, this seems to be the prevailing culture in the reptile industry in the United States. I fear that this is one reason among others why our hobby is being eaten away by legislation. We often appear and behave like irresponsible people.

Please cite your authority for this statement. Most reptile people and reptile vendors I know are responsible and enjoy their critters. The irresponsible ones garner more press, but that does not at all mean they are more numerous.

 

[DemmBalls]

I can clearly see that Joe's Woma is just a Woma. It looks nothing like Kevins HGW. PERIOD!

I will never buy from PHR or any of his cronies in this thread. If you can look at this thread and honestly defend PHR...I strongly question your ethics and morals...And eyesight!!!

 

[David Reid]

Joe, you keep going back to the appearance of your adult Woma, and saying how similar it looks to Kevin's original HGW. I think yours and Kevin's DO look similar, which is why Kevin thought both his original Woma and HGW were the same morph. The difference is in the subtle bordering color and maybe in the eyes, but where it is OBVIOUS, is in the combos. Your combos just do not look like HGW combos.

We have all seen some Paradox Albinos, where they LOOK like an Albino with dark paradoxing, but when you breed them, they are actually just HETS. So looks can be deceiving.....it is all about what you produce, and do the hatchlings match? In your case, it does not look like your hatchlings are a match for HGW's but are a match for Womas. If that is the case, it does not take a genius to figure the rest out.

Dave

 

[Willow]

*sigh* I guess I just gotta be done here. I've wasted to much time and energy thinking this thread was worthy of it lol.

Joe...once again you just made a claim (now about coral glows?) with no proof of anything. It's getting old.

Even if things come to light in the future, you have dragged this through the dirt so much at this point, people still wont give you credit for crap. Maybe someday, someone who can actually PROVE ANYTHING will come here and make us ALL eat our words.

But until then, this is just the biggest waste of time ever, as you are expecting people to just believe you without any proof. Good luck with that, your snake is still a normal woma.....I'm out

 

[greensnake88]

you people are crazy the pics are posted. willow sorry but your snake is solid gold and black and looks nothing like the other two and honestly just like a spider. i have nothing to gain or lose here but when someones ads are removed because a few big shots are worried about the market value of their own animals . joe says that he has the sibling animal to kevins that and his clutch are proof enough. every snake all of us buy is based on what the breeder/owner tells us to some degree.its wrong to cast doubt on someone for the hell of it, this destroys peoples credibility and costs buyers and sellers alot of money. this it seems from the begining to be about previous disagreement between phr and nerd. unless you have real bad experience with one or the other dont waste our time its just confusing and stupid and ghi u need to stop altogether ive known you for awhile and its always the samething you take your money buy a few snakes from big names and get them to do your breeding projects for a good split . youve never actually bred anything last i recall you were running your business out of a pick up. and tell tony nicoli i said hello he's must have produced quite a few emeralds for you by now. peace out kenny

 

[Lucille]

everything looks legit except for alot of petty name calling.

Above, you are getting on people for name calling

you people are crazy

Above, you are calling them names

i have a pair of blonde blasts arriving this week. can you tell me the difference in blonde and regular pastels and are they compatible w/ other pasl projects ? also how many available?

Above, you are asking some basic info about genetics in this post in the classifieds.
No harm in that, but why exactly are you trying to tell people what they should be thinking in this thread about different kinds of critters, if you are still learning?

 

[AbsoluteApril]

but when someones ads are removed because a few big shots are worried about the market value of their own animals .

??
No ones ads have been removed from fauna, and we would not do such a thing unless some rule was being violated

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

ghi u need to stop altogether ive known you for awhile and its always the samething you take your money buy a few snakes from big names and get them to do your breeding projects for a good split . youve never actually bred anything last i recall you were running your business out of a pick up. and tell tony nicoli i said hello he's must have produced quite a few emeralds for you by now. peace out kenny

Hey Kenny,

First of all I got rid of the pickup and I am now breeding my only pair of snakes I actually own (red rat snakes) out of a Chevy Volt which I lease...go green! BTW...I do leave the windows cracked when it's hot out!

Tony says to tell you hi back