Bad Guy RodentPro- Zoonotic disease warning

[Robin Saunders]

I may be confused but RP has admitted to one infected facility in Indiana but Kristen recieved infected mice from RP's facility in Kentucky, is this right?

 

[Willis Wildlife Enterprises]

So I have a question then.

I get that we shouldn't panic lol

but should the people who have now had to deal with financial loss over this situation just keep quiet? Does Rodent Pro plan to take any responsibility to those people for those losses? Or do they just want to sweep this under the rug and ignore that they COULD have done something to have helped those people catch this situation long before it ruined their entire colony and possibly the wild rodents in their town?

Right now, unless you are one of the people who have suffered a loss, no one can really say at this point if restitution is coming or not. That is up to RP, the people involved and their lawyers to figure out. Not for us to speculate over. And I'm really not sure if anything could have been done to prevent those losses. You don't know an out break of a disease is going to happen until people/animals/whatever start getting sick. And where exactly do you place the blame? On RodentPro? On their supplier? On a rogue diseased wild mouse with a terrorist agenda seeking vengeance for all his brother mice that have been sacrificed to the evil pet serpent god? Where exactly did it all start and who exactly is to blame?

Because one thing happened, that means something else is OK? I don't agree with that concept at all.


There are many local attorneys who offer free consults. You need not use their services if the consult is free, but it may be worth going and listening to what they have to say if you have incurred losses.

I never said it was "okay", just that I can easily see it happening. If you think that those with power don't have and keep secrets, even ones that they feel are for our own good, then I want to live in your fantasy world. I honestly do believe that most of the population doesn't have a clue beyond their own little world and like it that way. If the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth were to actually come out, and be believed by the general population, "Hell on Earth" will have a very personal meaning to all of us.

 

[Lucille]

That is up to RP, the people involved and their lawyers to figure out. Not for us to speculate over. And I'm really not sure if anything could have been done to prevent those losses.

Are you telling us what to think and not think? You go on to speculate about blame, yourself. If you don't want to broach a subject, fine. I do not think it is appropriate to tell others what they should talk about, and certainly the subject of restitution is relevant to the subject at hand and may possibly be connected to the lack of disclosure.

If you think that those with power don't have and keep secrets, even ones that they feel are for our own good

I'm sure they do, and that is why the privilege of discussion here is so important. Any attempt to put the hush on is a disservice to the community.

 

[rosebud945]

Right now, unless you are one of the people who have suffered a loss, no one can really say at this point if restitution is coming or not. That is up to RP, the people involved and their lawyers to figure out. Not for us to speculate over.

Except that one of the people involved started this thread and asked the community here to talk about it.

If you think that those with power don't have and keep secrets, even ones that they feel are for our own good, then I want to live in your fantasy world. I honestly do believe that most of the population doesn't have a clue beyond their own little world and like it that way. If the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth were to actually come out, and be believed by the general population, "Hell on Earth" will have a very personal meaning to all of us.

This statement borders on being off topic simply because the people who visit, read, and post in this particular forum and this particular thread are not among that majority that you speak of. The people who have posted here obviously do want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth or they wouldn't be here.

 

[RichsBallPythons]

Question:
Does this affect their frozen rats?
I am switching over my collection of ball pythons to frozen rats and heard Rodent Pro is the cheapest place to get them, but wasn't sure with all this going on.

Been answered a lot here , the disease lays dormant when frozen

 

[reticguy76]

I think he was asking if it affects the rats (in addition to the mice).

 

[Snake-Queen]

The rats from RP were fine. Through all the testing, none came up positive.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

I have been reading this thread from inception and have not posted till now because I really had not decided what my take on the situation was.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I have been a Rodent Pro customer for the last ten years or so

Why is the following not a viable and reasonable timeline on this situation

1. The CDC performs a random check on the facilities sometime in the last couple of months.

2. One of several facilities tests positive for the virus

3. The CDC requests / demands the records of sales from that facility

4. The CDC immediately (per what I am sure is very efficient protocol) contacts the buyers who received rodents from that facility

5. The CDC requests information from those 14 buyers as to whom they might have sold the infected rodents to.

7. Everyone who can be alerted / contacted has now been alerted / contacted.

Why would Rodent Pro have contacted the buyers when the CDC obviously has protocols in place to do it?

Making the jump to the assumption that Rodent Pro has done anything incorrectly in this situation without proof is a bit of a stretch. If all potential buyers were contacted in a timely manner after discovery...who cares who did the notifying?

For all we know, the notification was handled as it was under the edict of the CDC and Rodent Pro was directed not to send out a blanket warning.

Unless someone actually has real information to the contrary, I see no obvious bad on the part of Rodent Pro

 

[Scottico]

I have been reading this thread from inception and have not posted till now because I really had not decided what my take on the situation was.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I have been a Rodent Pro customer for the last ten years or so

Why is the following not a viable and reasonable timeline on this situation

1. The CDC performs a random check on the facilities sometime in the last couple of months.

2. One of several facilities tests positive for the virus

3. The CDC requests / demands the records of sales from that facility

4. The CDC immediately (per what I am sure is very efficient protocol) contacts the buyers who received rodents from that facility

5. The CDC requests information from those 14 buyers as to whom they might have sold the infected rodents to.

7. Everyone who can be alerted / contacted has now been alerted / contacted.

Why would Rodent Pro have contacted the buyers when the CDC obviously has protocols in place to do it?

Making the jump to the assumption that Rodent Pro has done anything incorrectly in this situation without proof is a bit of a stretch. If all potential buyers were contacted in a timely manner after discovery...who cares who did the notifying?

For all we know, the notification was handled as it was under the edict of the CDC and Rodent Pro was directed not to send out a blanket warning.

Unless someone actually has real information to the contrary, I see no obvious bad on the part of Rodent Pro

Good post.

 

[mpollard]

"people feel deceived" Noelle

There it is...enough said.

 

[montini]

Agreed dont beleive everything you here and honestly someone pissed at rodent pro started this whole thing anyways!

Joe

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

There it is...enough said.

No...not really. The reason someone would "feel deceived" is because someone actually attempted to deceive them. There is no evidence of that here.

I'm not saying it is not possible that Rodent Pro did exactly that and purposely kept the lid on the situation. I'm just saying that no one has offered a shred of proof that this is the case

 

[montini]

It was actually a colony of mice and all who purchased them from that time where notified I read the article unless in fact was a lie but I doubt it!


Joe

 

[stlsnakekeeper187]

To anyone out there curious about this. This disease does not affect frozen mice, rats or any other frozen feeder rodents so dont throw ur frozen feeders away. I was told this by my local exotic pet shop that talked to rodentpro directly. Only live animals can transfer this disease and only pregnant women and people with immune system defiencies are susceptible to this disease through fresh urine, feces, saliva or bedding. But it has to be fresh from live animals. Dont waste money throwing all ur frozens out.

 

[Scottico]

There is no evidence of that here.

It's refreshing to read a "voice of reason" in this thread. There are a few others as well. In view of how folk on this list "take up arms" with little provocation, I'm not sure if RP was unwise in not communicating to every client what had happened. Man--it gets crazy here.

 

[SirenSanJose]

To anyone out there curious about this. This disease does not affect frozen mice, rats or any other frozen feeder rodents so dont throw ur frozen feeders away. I was told this by my local exotic pet shop that talked to rodentpro directly. Only live animals can transfer this disease and only pregnant women and people with immune system defiencies are susceptible to this disease through fresh urine, feces, saliva or bedding. But it has to be fresh from live animals. Dont waste money throwing all ur frozens out.

Incorrect. They may be an awesome exotics shop, but they're not biologists. Did you miss the part where multiple active, healthy employees with no history of immune system issues contracted this disease?

And it's been said half a dozen times in this thread -- FREEZING DOES NOT KILL VIRUSES COMPLETELY.

 

[Wilomn]

To anyone out there curious about this. This disease does not affect frozen mice, rats or any other frozen feeder rodents so dont throw ur frozen feeders away. I was told this by my local exotic pet shop that talked to rodentpro directly. Only live animals can transfer this disease and only pregnant women and people with immune system defiencies are susceptible to this disease through fresh urine, feces, saliva or bedding. But it has to be fresh from live animals. Dont waste money throwing all ur frozens out.

I know the thread is long and it's far easier if someone just tells you what to think, but here, especially on the BOI, it would behoove you to do your own research prior to making posts that can only make people think you're either very naive, purposely misleading, or simply don't understand the real nature of the danger that virus contains. They can, frozen mice, in fact, transmit a potentially deadly virus. No matter what your pet shop pals tell you to the contrary, they're wrong.

 

[SirenSanJose]

I know the thread is long and it's far easier if someone just tells you what to think, but here, especially on the BOI, it would behoove you to do your own research prior to making posts that can only make people think you're either very naive, purposely misleading, or simply don't understand the real nature of the danger that virus contains. They can, frozen mice, in fact, transmit a potentially deadly virus. No matter what your pet shop pals tell you to the contrary, they're wrong.

Unfortunately, the shop in question here is either honestly mistaken at best, or at worst, doesn't want to lose inventory and throw out their order, but in either case they're spreading misinformation. Regardless, if they were correctly told "no, freezing does not kill the virus" and they continued to insist it was safe, that's a shop I'd be wary to buy frozen food from again, I'll tell you that. (And if RP *really* told the shop "freezing makes it 100% safe" that would be the nail in the coffin for RP, in my opinion.)

Yes, losing inventory as a shop sucks, no matter what type it is -- trust me, I understand, I really do. I lost thousands of dollars of animals I was about to move into my own shop due to a heater malfunction, and left me with some questionable animals I'll never resell now, and it hurt me as a business.

Throwing out hundreds of dollars of rodents would hurt, especially a small shop! (Has RP offered to reimburse any customers who are concerned about their frozen order, even "non-contaminated" orders that happened in the same time frame? But questionable inventory, be that animals, dry goods, or feeders, is worse than no inventory in the long run.

 

[KORBIN5895]

Excuse me guys but did you actually read Dylan's post? If you did you would realize your comments are a little bit off target.

 

[KORBIN5895]

Well Bill they are saying things like "a pet store isn't a biologist". He never claimed that. He claims the pet store spoke directly to rp. So talking about the merits and qualifications of the aforementioned part store to let's look at the fact that this is an unidentified third party quote. Thanks Bill for your pointless comment.