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Bad Guy Beware Evan Stahl from Stahl Reptiles!

evansnakes said:
Unfortunately, as Rich posted is as paypal advised me, to cover the sale since I have no way of knowing if she filed with her bank or credit card and then the monies would be pulled again regardless of what I do with paypal. It is also complciated by the fact that there are multiple funding sources and two people involved. At the time the money was reversed I had already offered a refund, she did not tell me she was going to paypal.
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I see. So, it's a cover your ass kind of thing? Seems that a bit of calm, reasonable communication could easily bring this to an end. If she'll officially assure you, here in this thread, that she won't seek a chargeback through her bank/credit card, will you agree to immediately refund her? I mean, from the outside looking in, it seems she has much more reason to distrust you than you have to distrust her. She sent her payment. For whatever reasons, you chose not to ship. She fulfilled her part of the deal. It seems odd for you to assume that she's the one who's up to no good.
 
I did not "demand" shipping once paid, I stated that the following day was clear to ship both places and asked if you would be. Also I gave the 100 deposit from our phone call when we agreed on the purchase and that you would be payed in full a soon as my tax return came in which you were.
 
ApexPredatorBoids said:
I see. So, it's a cover your ass kind of thing? Seems that a bit of calm, reasonable communication could easily bring this to an end. If she'll officially assure you, here in this thread, that she won't seek a chargeback through her bank/credit card, will you agree to immediately refund her? I mean, from the outside looking in, it seems she has much more reason to distrust you than you have to distrust her. She sent her payment. For whatever reasons, you chose not to ship. She fulfilled her part of the deal. It seems odd for you to assume that she's the one who's up to no good.
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I have not yet gone to my bank that will be the next step if I don't receive my refund. As stated by someone else Paypal released the money back do he has it as well as selling one of the animals.
 
you will get it the same way you paid via paypal, you will get it as soon as I get paid in full from the new buyer, I have already explained that to you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sierra <[email protected]>
To: evansnakes <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: Message about: Super Bright & Clean Killer Bee Female from [email protected]


How and when are you going to refund me

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2013, at 3:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:


did you really think that I would refund or ship you when you had a claim open with paypal for the money, without talking to me first??? did you think paypal wouldnt tell me? so now that they refused to refund your money now you want the animals? I am selling them to other people. As soon as I get the last payments I will refund your money. You dont need to lie anymore. You go ahead and sue me though.



-----Original Message-----
From: Sierra <[email protected]>
To: evansnakes <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: Message about: Super Bright & Clean Killer Bee Female from [email protected]


Am I ever going to get the animals I paid for? The weather has been more than warm enough to ship and we are going on two months now. If this continues I will be forced to take legal actions.
 
evansnakes said:
you will get it the same way you paid via paypal, you will get it as soon as I get paid in full from the new buyer, I have already explained that to you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sierra <[email protected]>
To: evansnakes <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: Message about: Super Bright & Clean Killer Bee Female from [email protected]


How and when are you going to refund me

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2013, at 3:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:


did you really think that I would refund or ship you when you had a claim open with paypal for the money, without talking to me first??? did you think paypal wouldnt tell me? so now that they refused to refund your money now you want the animals? I am selling them to other people. As soon as I get the last payments I will refund your money. You dont need to lie anymore. You go ahead and sue me though.



-----Original Message-----
From: Sierra <[email protected]>
To: evansnakes <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: Message about: Super Bright & Clean Killer Bee Female from [email protected]


Am I ever going to get the animals I paid for? The weather has been more than warm enough to ship and we are going on two months now. If this continues I will be forced to take legal actions.
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Don't edit the email here is what was actually said in the last email I recieved

you will get it the same way you paid via paypal, you willget it as soon as I get paid in full from the new buyer, I have already explained that to you. any more contact needs to be from attorney, any future emails will get deleted and go unread.


-----Original Message-----
From: Sierra <[email protected]>
To: evansnakes <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: Message about: Super Bright & Clean Killer Bee Female from [email protected]

How and when are you going to refund me

Sent from my iPhone
 
none of this was my idea or doing, if she had just waited a couple days she would have had her snakes. she asked for a refund and for me to resell the snakes, I then found out that the monies were pulled from my account. why would I then refund her? so then I went to resell the animals and told her I would refund once they were paid for. paypal ruled in my favor, I really did not want them or expect them to. So then I got paid again, after weeks of it being withheld. She will get refunded shortly when all is done with the resale to my satisfaction. This was not my doing in any way. I have waited months to get animals that I have paid for like most people who care about the animals have. She wanted me to ship repeatedly when it was unsafe to do so. I told her where I lived and told her to look at the weather forcast. I was not and am not creating the weather. This will all be over in a few days. Oh and she also left out that she threatened to sue me.
 
Smenger said:
Don't edit the email here is what was actually said in the last email I recieved

you will get it the same way you paid via paypal, you willget it as soon as I get paid in full from the new buyer, I have already explained that to you. any more contact needs to be from attorney, any future emails will get deleted and go unread.


-----Original Message-----
From: Sierra <[email protected]>
To: evansnakes <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: Message about: Super Bright & Clean Killer Bee Female from [email protected]

How and when are you going to refund me

Sent from my iPhone
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There is no change in the information. I took the sentences that applied to the topic, I forgot about you threatening to sue me until the end of my last post. You left that out conveniently.
 
I live in Michigan and can vouch for the weather issue. We had a couple warm days a while back, but they started on a Thursday. I was not able to ship any animals until this week, even then I was concerned a little for their safe arrival.
No way should a seller be forced to ship, until he/she is comfortable with weather conditions.
 
even, do you or do you not have the money back for the snakes? Has paypal or has paypal not released the funds back to you?
 
Ron Allen said:
You agreed to refund the buyer. You have the money and the animals. It is inappropriate for you to wait for someone else to buy them.
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Bingo. Ignoring the little inconsistencies in the aspersions he seems to be casting, regarding her possible intention of trying to get two refunds; the excuse that he's waiting for both snake to sell makes absolutely no sense. Even after both of them are sold, she has no less of a capacity to do a chargeback. He's not any safer after they've both found new owners. As such, it seems that he's withholding the refund simply because he can.
 
ApexPredatorBoids said:
Bingo. Ignoring the little inconsistencies in the aspersions he seems to be casting, regarding her possible intention of trying to get two refunds; the excuse that he's waiting for both snake to sell makes absolutely no sense. Even after both of them are sold, she has no less of a capacity to do a chargeback. He's not any safer after they've both found new owners. As such, it seems that he's withholding the refund simply because he can.
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Yep...a lot of these threads get convoluted with unnecessary details. When you boil it all down to the lowest common denominator this is it. I can see no other issue with the seller. Holding animals in inclement weather is fine. Had he simply refunded the buyer people would be defending him...instead he is at best coming off as petty and vengeful, and at worst a thief.
 
Ron Allen said:
I can see no other issue with the seller. Holding animals in inclement weather is fine. Had he simply refunded the buyer people would be defending him...instead he is at best coming off as petty and vengeful, and at worst a thief.
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Had he simply refunded her, this thread wouldn't even exist. There would be no need for anyone to defend him. Once it became clear to him that he wouldn't be able to satisfy whatever timetable she had in mind, the most sensible course would have been to simply end the transaction right then and there. Nothing that has transpired after her request for a refund is making much sense to me.
 
Had he refunded me and been professional you are correct this thread would no exist. And the fact that even though he has been paid by me and recieved the money from PayPal AND already resold one of the animals I STILL have not been refunded. Yes I said I would take legal actions if something is not going to be done I won't just walk away from 800 who would? I have no intentions on a "double" refund I just want what was payed back. It's not right to be vengeful and petty and hd m money until he is "satisfied" with the resale of the animals as he said!
 
montini said:
He is a rude arrogant a@@##@#


Joe
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That comment earned you an infraction. Cease with the derogatory and inflammatory comments, please. If you have something of value to add to the discussion, then please do so. These sorts of comments have nothing of value to contribute, and can only make the conversation of less value to readers.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sierra <[email protected]>
To: evansnakes <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: Message about: Super Bright & Clean Killer Bee Female...
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Who is Sierra Wolff??? - I always get suspicious of people who have a different name on their email and Fauna accounts - since I got ripped off by someone using an assumed name on Fauna...
 
It is simple. When she asked for a refund I did not have her money she had filed a dispute with paypal and they had her money, not me. AND I do not offer refunds for buyers remorse. Her deposit was also non refundable but I have not even brought up that point. I need to now get paid for the snake that had not been paid for because you have to cover 100% of the funds to refund at the same time, you can not do partial refunds.

Every day I have expenses that are debited from my account, wether they be automated utility payments or putting gas in the car, simple, so there is less than enough in my account to refund 100% of her payments and you can not do less than 100% unless I wanted to refund the initial $100 deposit, which should be forfeit. As I have said now several times to her and in this very thread, she will be refunded in a few days when the payment is cleared and the total amount is covered to refund. If that is not adequate, she can sue me as she threatened or take it up with her credit card company, which she probably already did and as paypal warned me, the monies would be taken from them and they would then come and take them from me.

She did not threaten me with posting here, she just came on here, after she has my email assuring her of a refund, to just bash me. She emailed me and suggested that I sell the snakes to somebody else and refund her money. She emailed me and threatened me. She initiated the bs with paypal with out talking to me at all prior to that. Like I said, if she had really cared about the animals safety that would have mattered to her but not once was she understanding of the weather but instead called me a liar and complained that I was not shipping. Anyone who thinks that I am stealing her money is a joke. She will get refunded shortly. That is the end of the issue, there is nothing more to it.
 
dchristensen said:
Who is Sierra Wolff??? - I always get suspicious of people who have a different name on their email and Fauna accounts - since I got ripped off by someone using an assumed name on Fauna...
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Wolff is my maiden name, I am married an didn't see the need in changing my email information.
 
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