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chaosaffect said:
Ummm... Why is everyone ignoring the immediate PayPal claim? I see a lot of nitpicking on details, but that's the one piece of actual evidence that's been posted, and it very much supports the seller's story.
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How does it support the seller's story? At best, it could possibly show that the OP is impatient for not waiting longer while his email was being ignored. As there's no time stamp on the dispute, we don't even know how "immediate" it was. It could very well have been posted late in the evening.
 
And for those that don't want to DL the PDF, here it is in JPG with the dates highlighted in Red:
 

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laterob said:
Not what I am saying, Ben. Calm down. When was the email sent with the pic that went unanswered? We're there attempted calls?
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I'm calm. I just dislike the bandwagon mentality.

ApexPredatorBoids said:
How does it support the seller's story? At best, it could possibly show that the OP is impatient for not waiting longer while his email was being ignored. As there's no time stamp on the dispute, we don't even know how "immediate" it was. It could very well have been posted late in the evening.
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So far we've seen partial emails. Yes, the seller was remiss in not saving his own version of the conversation. Those partial emails don't appear to be nearly as damning as a PayPal claim that was filed one day after payment was made. The OP lied to Paypal, BTW. That hasn't been sufficiently addressed. Yes, the Seller used PP gift to get around paying the fees. I've done it before, and will again if I trust the person I'm buying from. That's not a black mark on him. The fact that the OP DEFINITELY, VERFIABLY filed a false PP claim immediately after the animal was shipped is just skeezy.
 
laterob said:
What if 'unauthorized 'transaction' is the only form of dispute for a gift?
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It probably is. It's still a false claim because the transaction WAS authorized. And there's no reason why it should've been filed one day after payment was made. It reeks of intent to defraud.
 
chaosaffect said:
Yeah, you need to look at it again. It clearly shows that payment was made on the 28th and the claim was filed on the 29th.
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Maybe you should try to grasp the situation, before commenting. The chameleon was received on the 29th of May, and the OP's email complaint was apparently ignored. No idea what you're seeing, but what I'm seeing, doesn't do anything to discredit the OP.
 

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Ben, the chameleon was received by the buyer on the morning of the 29th, the same day the claim was made. What's so bad about that other than he probably should have given the seller more time to respond?
 
ApexPredatorBoids said:
Maybe you should try to grasp the situation, before commenting. The chameleon was received on the 29th of May, and the OP's email complaint was apparently ignored. No idea what you're seeing, but what I'm seeing, doesn't do anything to discredit the OP.
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Maybe you should use some common sense. How could the OP know that his complaint was being ignored in less than a full day?
 
SMH... Y'all have fun with your torches. Personally, I wouldn't do business with either of them, but I think the jumping to conclusions has reached Olympic levels.
 
chaosaffect said:
Maybe you should use some common sense. How could the OP know that his complaint was being ignored in less than a full day?
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Ben, IF the buyer is telling the truth that he wasn't told about the huge scar wouldn't you have done the same thing? What could the seller possibly have said to make it okay?
 
Bobby Douglass said:
Ben, IF the buyer is telling the truth that he wasn't told about the huge scar wouldn't you have done the same thing? What could the seller possibly have said to make it okay?
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I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have paid with Gift when I didn't know the seller. That was the OP's first and most unforgivable mistake. I also wouldn't have filed the claim before giving the seller at least a couple of days to respond. At that point I don't blame the seller for cutting off communication.

The facts that we actually have are these: OP purchased a Cham from the seller. Cham now has a burn. OP filed a PP claim under false pretenses, a claim which will be denied since there is evidence that the item was shipped to the Verified Paypal Address. That was just stupid.

How fast do these burns heal? Is it possible that the burn could've happened in the time that the OP had the animal? This I don't know, and won't make any inferences because of my lack of knowledge.
 
And to clarify my position before I walk away, I'm not supporting the Seller either in this. They're both wrong. OP was stupid, seller didn't do what he needed to do to support his claims that the OP was aware of the condition of the animal, at this point we can go around and around picking sides but to me they're both to be avoided.
 
chaosaffect said:
Maybe you should use some common sense. How could the OP know that his complaint was being ignored in less than a full day?
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I think you're doing a bang-up job of illustrating just how uncommon sense actually is. You're downplaying the glaring (and supremely unlikely) idiocy that the seller has displayed, while focusing on one of the OP's actions that was apparently precipitated by the seller's actions. As there's not even the slightest guarantee of winning, the simple act of filing a PayPal dispute doesn't even come close to making someone appear to be pulling a scam. If/when he gets his money back AND refuses to return the animal, then he looks bad. Until then, you're just grasping at straws.

It's funny that you openly admit to defrauding PayPal out of their fees, but want to paint the OP as the Bad Guy for how he's dealt with the PayPal side of things. In using the "gift" option for business transactions, you're also lying to PayPal, are you not?
 
chaosaffect said:
How fast do these burns heal? Is it possible that the burn could've happened in the time that the OP had the animal? This I don't know, and won't make any inferences because of my lack of knowledge.
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The seller admitted that the burn was there. I don't think either party looks good here and I really want to believe the seller but I just can't do it. I have no knowledge of chameleons either.
 
chaosaffect said:
And to clarify my position before I walk away, I'm not supporting the Seller either in this. They're both wrong. OP was stupid, seller didn't do what he needed to do to support his claims that the OP was aware of the condition of the animal, at this point we can go around and around picking sides but to me they're both to be avoided.
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This I agree with.
 
ApexPredatorBoids said:
I think you're doing a bang-up job of illustrating just how uncommon sense actually is. You're downplaying the glaring (and supremely unlikely) idiocy that the seller has displayed, while focusing on one of the OP's actions that was apparently precipitated by the seller's actions. As there's not even the slightest guarantee of winning, the simple act of filing a PayPal dispute doesn't even come close to making someone appear to be pulling a scam. If/when he gets his money back AND refuses to return the animal, then he looks bad. Until then, you're just grasping at straws.

It's funny that you openly admit to defrauding PayPal out of their fees, but want to paint the OP as the Bad Guy for how he's dealt with the PayPal side of things. In using the "gift" option for business transactions, you're also lying to PayPal, are you not?
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LoL. You want to attack me now? Show of hands, people. Who's never sent money to a trusted seller using PP Gift to avoid the fees?
 
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