Well Played BHB... Scaleless Ball Pythons

[Kuru the Guru]

So Brian at BHB has managed to pull off getting a pair of Scaleless BPs... Is it wrong to be insanely jealous and curious as to what they look like out of the egg?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCixF5NejNU&feature=c4-overview&list=UUCGLzU6yF7DBAIg0493j9ow

 

[ClarkT]

When do they come out of the egg, already?!!?!?!?!!!

 

[Kuru the Guru]

The episode that aired today was them cutting the egg, so they're already out or will be shortly... I bet we see them next week lol

 

[Reptile Frenzy]

Scaless ball pythons would be cool. Weird but cool and i can only imagine the price tag on one.

 

[Kuru the Guru]

I would imagine it's insane, they're the first 2 ever and they're a superform of scalelesshead ball pythons

 

[Reptile Frenzy]

Yeah im thinking in the $75,000-$100,000 range WHEN they become available.

 

[Kuru the Guru]

ugh, don't say that... I'm already trying to figure out how I'm going to afford to get into the sunset project ;.;

 

[Reptile Frenzy]

When he proved the sunset out he was selling just the hets for $50,000... Take out a second and third mortgage on your house or wait a few years. Who knows price could drop quick just like the banana last year they were going $35000-$50000 now you can get them for $1900-$2500. I personally think the banana should not have dropped so much so quick because of what it does as far as male maker and female maker but thats a different topic.

 

[Kuru the Guru]

eh, my honest belief is it dropped that low because of the sellers trying to make better deals than competitors, and the price eventually got low enough as to be affordable, haha

 

[Reptile Frenzy]

Yeah good point. People are desperate for a sale and need quick money so in turn they beat everone out and crashes the market value. I also believe a ball python morph should not drop below $100 but hey thats my opinion on things.

 

[Kuru the Guru]

speaking of which, why does a yellowbelly only cost like, 85 bucks but if it's part of a morph it jumps the price like, 200-300 dollars?

 

[Reptile Frenzy]

Because so many people have produced them so the supply is way up there but demand isnt very high so people offer them up for cheaper to push them out. I see yellowbellies for $50. I wont go below $100 except if there is a snake that has a defect like missing an eye or something. Thise should be cheaper or free because people say that the snake will pass down the defect to other snakes. Idk again another topic and i have my views on that also lol.

 

[hhmoore]

They won't come available for a while... big breeders don't release the new, hot morphs until they're a few generations in. Banana price dropped hard this year, in part, because there are already so many combinations out there. Hold them all back, breed the males as soon as possible. Let a few trickle out while repeating the cycle. By the time the ones they released are producing for others, they're well ahead of the game & ready to cash in.
Its different when a smaller player scores, because they don't typically have the number of females available or the facilities to hold & grow that many babies.

 

[Kuru the Guru]

Then I guess we hope that the two new babies are both male, so they can breed to more stuff more quickly

 

[AbsoluteApril]

scaleless? eww just eww.
like those scaleless corns.
Sure they look soft but I just don't see the appeal

edit to add:

they're the first 2 ever and they're a superform of scalelesshead ball pythons

what about the Derma Ball from back in '05?
I think it was just missing like 80% of the scales tho, not completely scaleless. I believe it died?

 

[Focal]

I think these high dollar morphs rarely sell for that high. They build appeal and retain value for when they actually sell. "Well, if they were $75K three years ago, then $7500 doesn't sound too bad." It all appears to be a game and there are plenty of price tags out there that have no intention to sell.

 

[hhmoore]

If I remember correctly the dermaball also lacked heat pits...

Personally, while I know BP fans are mutation freaks, I'm not sure I agree with intentionally advancing and reproducing what is essentially a structural defect. Aren't color and pattern mutations enough?
(I realize that this isn't "new"; and that there are scaleless forms of several types of snakes...though the degree of "scalelessness" varies.)

 

[AbsoluteApril]

If I remember correctly the dermaball also lacked heat pits...

I found some pics, and yup, that one was missing heat pits.

 

[Focal]

That doesn't even look right.

 

[Reptile Frenzy]

Yeah doesnt look right at all. I wonder how many of these scaleless ball pythons will sell?