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Pricing or trade value question on a new project

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Im looking for opinions on a project I am looking to either sell outright or trade.

Four years ago a buddy bred two imported wild caught cinnamons. Out of a clutch of 7 eggs were three unusual cinnamons and 4 irregular normals. (Pic one is the pic of the three unusual cinnamons). I purchased a female and another buddy got a pair. The normals were split around and I dont know who has them.

Fast forward three years and last year I bred the unusual cinnamon (pic2 next to a normal cinnamon) to her visual brother who also has the same unusually blurred pattern. In the clutch of two was a male cinnamon and a male normal. When compared next to a cinnamon there are drastic differences as she is very blushed almost to the point where there are no hard lines between the alien heads and the rest of its pattern. The belly is clear just like a pewter, and oddly all three off the crazy looking original snakes have tongues that are white.

Now I know in a world of dinkers its difficult to price but I just want to be fair if I move the three (Mom and two sons). I realize I have only bred her once and did not hit on anything crazy as her but with a two egg clutch it could easily just be bad odds. But I also dont want to sell her for the price of a cinnamon as cleary this is something else at play.

I am a small breeder looking to downsize even more and dont have the space to hold back surplus animals till I isolate a second gene or figure out if there is another gene that might unlock it. I have many interested parties wanting to play with the gene but I cant determine a fair (for both parties) value if sold outright or if traded. I do realize these might never lead to anything but I also wonder if the fact that there were three of these anomolies doesn't point toward it being genetic.

Any help would be appreciated. All opinions welcomed.
 

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Pricing is always the hardest with a new unknown project. The pricing is up to you, as long as your satisfied with what you get. And of course take into considerarion how much you paid for the original dunker in the first place. Stick to your price and you should be ok.
 
Perhaps an auction would be best. Just a thought. That way people could get a chance depending on how badly they want them and you don't have to worry about too high/too low as long as you start the bidding at what you find acceptable.
 
I disagree on the auction idea... Maybe put for sale with the background info that you're entertaining offers. Auctions are always way lower than typical market prices.
 
ClarkT said:
I disagree on the auction idea... Maybe put for sale with the background info that you're entertaining offers. Auctions are always way lower than typical market prices.
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Not of you have a reserve. Just asking for offers will only get you low-balled. And how does just asking for offers guarantee you'll get values close to market value, whatever that is? --How do you determine the market value of these since there are no others around? Either way, you'll have to decide what minimum you want to get for them in order to be willing to part with them.
 
But what's fair a normal cinnamon adult might day be worth 400 to 500 as a proven breeder. Does bowling that seem reasonable on the hopes of there being a second gene at work. If so then what do the other two carry. It turns out the cinnamon is a male and the normal a female. If it's recessive it's a 1.2 het trio?
 
Doubling not bowling. A friend suggested a fair price at 1600 for the trio is that unreasonable? Like I said I understand the gamble but on the same token no one in my position would simply dismiss the oddities and sell as just normals either.
 
I'd agree that if you're going to do an auction, set a reserve price.

From what I've seen others do, a new morph's value is greatly enhanced once it has been crossed with a few genes to show what it does/how it reacts and affects the look of combos.

If you're just wanting to turn the project over to somebody else, then I'd say the value is relatively low..relative to what has been proven and produced with the new gene.

Looking at how Major League Reptiles has done their wild-caught prospects, possible new morphs (when unproven as hatchlings from Africa) typically list for $1000-$2500. With yours having been somewhat proven, that it genetically is reproducible, perhaps it may be worth more. However, perhaps it's worth a lower price because nothing "mind-blowing" has been produced with it yet, so there's no "wow" factor, yet. (Not that it isn't cool what has hatched so far...)

Also, as you mention, the gene may be recessive, which may further affect the value. In any case, it's a tough call.
 
I would say that $1600 is a fair-ish price for the trio. Again, pointing out that the more you have proven and shown what the gene can do, the higher the value would likely be.
 
Remember - the originating animals were WC...they may have looked like cinnamons; but, in the only breeding that has been discussed, they didn't produce anything that looked like cinnamons or supers. The point is, you don't know what you have. Since you bred the "unusual cinnamon" to another cinnamon, and produced a regular cinnamon + a normal, you don't even know for certain that the unusual one is a cinnamon; and it didn't reproduce itself...which means that the only claim you can truly make (at this point) is that it is unusual. Some people are willing to gamble on things like that, some aren't.
My only suggestion is, if you opt to sell, stick with the facts and don't make claims that could be disproven (1.2 het, cinnamon, etc).
 
Sorry - misread the OP, thought the 2nd picture was of the pairing.
For clarification, you said you bred the unusual cinnamon with her visual sibling...what does that mean? That you bred 2 "unusual cinnamons"? Has your friend that bought the pair done any breedings?

Even with my comprehension slip, I would hesitate to call these cinnamons at this point...save that for when they produce a super cinny. If the "super" is the faded pattern that you have, I'm sure it would still be of interest (but it wouldn't a cinny, neither would the cinny looking baby). It's a project - but it offers more promise than most dinkers.

FWIW, there are similar faded pattern snakes that have been in the classifieds over the years. Most unproven, WC dinkers. I'm not an avid BP person, and I don't spend time on other BP forums or facebook snake groups; but I don't recall seeing followup posts that they've proved as anything. Might want to spend some time on WOBP to see if you can find something similar in their genetics list.
 
Well its clear they must have cinnamons as the base my has my buddies clutch yielded a super cinny and mine a regular cinny. While I agree it's pure speculation I'mconfident Iin one thing which is cinnamon is in the three unusual snakes.
 
Had you included that information (about the super) earlier in the thread, I wouldn't have bothered posting.
Thanks for clearing it up.
 
My bad I posted in several threads looking for opinions. I appreciate you taking the time to give me yours. It's been a few year head scratcher time will only tell!
 
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