Bad Guy Jay of Franken Chams

[Raidous]

I attended the most recent reptile expo in white plains New York. There I purchased a young male Blue Bar Ambilobe panther chameleon as well as as cage with magnetic perches for about $320+ from a vendor named Jay of a breeding organization called "Franken Chams". The chameleon when I purchased it was pretty thin but thankfully he ate voraciously and has been growing fast. I was told by Jay that the cage with magnets and magnetic perches was his design and was innovative and safe. However on June 17th I found out this was not the case.Though I had assembled the cage to his directions and it seemed secure somehow my Chameleon had ate one of the rather powerful magnets. The magnet became lodged WITHIN his dewlap and somehow attracted 2 other magnet, clamping onto his dewlap EXTERNALLY from either side. They were clamping potently hard on his neck and he was almost suffocating. In addition to that the strength of the magnetic force was pinning him against the perches further torturing him. I had to call out of work and rush my Chameleon to the Avian and Exotic center of Medicine in New York City. Due to the danger of swallowing the magnet,stress, and pain the vet had to put him under anesthesia so she could safely remove the round magnet from within his dewlap as well as the 2 external clamping ones. Fortunately the chameleon survived up until this point. However on his neck there is visible black abnormalities in the skin likely from lost blood circulation. In addition to this the chameleon is unable to eat normally, his tongue seeming to be damaged during the magnetic crushing. Though he is still active I still had to pay a 301$ vet bill, have a future vet visit to come, and am unsure if his tongue will fully recover and if he will be able to live a normal life. The same night after this fiasco I had messaged Jay of "Franken Chams" on the "Franken Chams" facebook page as well as his gmail at [email protected] what had happened. In addition to this I text messaged the same contents of the email to the number he posted on franken chams' facebook page. Currently I have not received any form of response from Jay or Franken Chams even following up on the events. This cage though seemingly innovative and a good idea MUST be modified or altered because it is DANGEROUS and the concept nearly resulted in my chameleon's death and may have permanently disabled him. I do not recommend this breeder\vendor or his magnetic products and he does not offer any customer service. Customers should be warned. I will also attach pictures of the email\facebook message\and injury on my chameleons neck. Should the copy of the Vet invoice also be requested to be viewed or their contact information as a reference\proof of my word that is information I could offer.

 

[strange_evil]

Those cage's he sale are very dangerous and he should take responsibility for his faulty product.

 

[Jay Sick]

You are a low life lyer no chameleon unless it is on steroids and can bench 600 pounds could move one of those magnets. let alone use it's tongue to do so those are rare earth super neodymium magnets the strongest magnets pound for pound on the planet one magnet can hold atleast 2 gallons of water Your chameleon did not eat one nor did it maneuver 2 other magnets any one with a brain will figure it out . We have been on vacation for the past week and what do i see when i get home this crap. Anesthesia ???? are you serious chameleon was thin??? who are you trying to kid in none of the other statements did you say thin i guess on here yah just spice it up for the public. I would have offered you compensation if you were able to prove this to me but instead yo ran here on a public forum to bash me good job pal.

Chams don't go under Anesthesia well so your vet was pretty stupid to do so that shortens their life span, if the cham was thin why did you buy it then ??? lol hahaha makes allot of sense to me i always buy thin sick chams lol ahahaha. You are a shinning example of why i don't want to sell to the public anymore. Because somehow it there is always some jackass embellishing stories online to make the story seem more dramatic than it is trying to get money out of a person. Also if i remember correctly i offered you the option to epoxy the branches in place which is one of the 6 variations we offer and you wanted the magnets so i don't see how yah doing this. I will say this if that cham is strong enough to do what you said it did ill buy it back from yah cause that will be one hell of a breeder.

 

[hhmoore]

Way to come off as a complete , Jay.

 

[Lucille]

I checked out the video of the magnetic perches, it looks like the magnets are on the exterior of the cage, how would a critter get to them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPMKWehW5T8

 

[Jay Sick]

of course im considered the @$$HOLE because i respond as blunt and to the point as possible. i have some kid lying on a forum about me i respond and defend my self using humor to prove points but yea sure im the @$$hole lol ahahahaha

 

[Lucille]

Jay I think it would be more effective to post a picture of the critter in question if you have saved one, (or to ask the buyer to post one) and let readers judge whether it was thin. In addition, I think it would be effective to ask more details as to how this critter came to swallow a magnet that seems to be affixed on the outside of the cage.
There is no need to carry on, and it probably puts people off when you do. Act like a businessman.
I'd like to hear more details from the buyer and see a picture.

 

[Jay Sick]

Lucille thank you for posting this video, allow me to explain what he is referring to the branches that go back to front can either be hardwired with a special epoxy designed for animal cages or rest on these magnets so a human can move them to the desired branch spot when young or if using for a small cham this method is fine we always tell people to epoxy them if they get too big because the branch it self could spin with he weight of the cham on it almost like a rotisserie this gets fixed with another magnet added to the branch. We also offer the service of redoing the cage with epoxy for free down the road for people if needed. So the magnets are covered by a branch so this cham would had to have moved the branch then shot his tongue at the super magnet and been strong enough to yank it off a plastic coated metal rod.

 

[Raidous]

Not once was I disrespectful or cursing at you jay in Any form of outreach I made. It is also unusual how now the day after I posted here on the forum you swiftly respond. Also if you were truly busy or on vacation how were you posting on the Franken cham page during the time you were ignoring my messages. Time to post but not read a customer's facebook message,gmail message, or txt message . You check none of those since tuesday? Also to clarify in person you told me to use magnets on the interior of the cage to bind the magnetic perches together to create a grid like array.as well as the ones on the outside to link them to the cage. And if you say that's not true not only do i have 2 friends who were with me at the of purchase but even if that wasn't the correct set up why give me all of the extra magnets ? What would the point be if they were unnecessary or a dangerous tactic ? Regarding the chams weight he was thin but the deal you offered me him being a decent age as well as the cage was a score I couldn't pass up for $320. Also you did tell me he ate like a beast and I believed you and yo were correct. That part is of little concern. As for the putting the chameleon to sleep for the extraction of the magnets im not A vet and I don't believe you are and I don't know its long term effects but I know the magnets would have killed him . At any point if anyone desires to see the vet invoice and or see written prooof or verbal proof from the vet and or vet techs that this did indeed happen I will happily attach. The vet invoice or send a copy to anyone desiring or give the contact information of the vet office and get written confirmation from the certified vet. I didn't once question the strength of the magnets however somehow it happened. If you want to speak/resolve this like a businessman I'mi more than willing to and I have no ill will toward you but I am unhappy with the situation, that I had to resort to this forum to get a response and that you responded hostile like you did.

 

[Ed Clark]

Raidous

you are making some strong claims. please post a pic of the thin cham.and anything else to back up your claims.

 

[Jay Sick]

everyone wants to be a businessman after they publicly bash a person instigate them to respond and then try to use words to manipulate what i said to render me the opposition. Yes my nephew posted pics as you see he posted them late following a pending post that said we were gonna be posting pics at a certain time and we did not because he is young and gets side tracked we were not here he is not responsible to answer messages unless you would like to deal with my 16 year old nephew he probably has more reserve towards this kind of nonsense than i do. YOU HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER CALL IT IF YOU WANT BUT LEAVING THIS POST UP HERE IS NO WAY TO BE IN MY GOOD GRACES. iF PEOPLE FIND ME BLUNT THEN IT IS WHAT IT IS THERE ARE MANY BUSINESS OWNERS who get screwed constantly by bs claims and what not no one on here is able to judge because no one witnessed are transaction so this just becomes rabble rousing and pisses me and other business owners off and makes it hard to even want to reconcile even when it is legit because there are allot of bull sh2 ARTIST OUT THEE

 

[Ed Clark]

Those cage's he sale are very dangerous and he should take responsibility for his faulty product.

Kaseem.

Have you had problrms with these cages also? why are you saying they are faulty?

 

[hhmoore]

Raidous

you are making some strong claims. please post a pic of the thin cham.and anything else to back up your claims.

Personally, I'm more interested in seeing confirmation of this claim:

The magnet became lodged WITHIN his dewlap and somehow attracted 2 other magnet, clamping onto his dewlap EXTERNALLY from either side.

I'm just not seeing happening "accidentally" or even coincidentally. As much as I don't agree with Jay's approach, I'm calling BS on the above scenario. I'd sooner believe that some dumb stuck magnets on either side of the chameleon to see if they'd stick.

 

[hhmoore]

And Jay - since you have classifieds up, fix your location field entry

 

[spawn]

Don't bother posting a picture of the cham. That part's worthless since you agreed to pay money for an animal you saw. You cannot go, "YEAH I'LL BUY IT, THIS IS A STEAL", then expect us to believe, "oh, poo poo me, buyer's remorse, this animal is sickly and starving".

What I AM interested in seeing is a picture of your setup/the setup that was sold to you and is somehow the dealer's fault.

 

[Lucille]

worthless

I don't see it worthless. If a picture around the time it was purchased shows it not thin, the rest of the claims are to me suspect as well. As it is, I am having a difficult time imagining how exactly the magnet incident occurred.
I do agree with your premise that if it was thin, since the buyer had a chance to inspect prior to purchase it would not be a valid complaint.

 

[Raidous]

I will be posting pictures shortly of the cage set up, and of his damaged neck(which has evident black damage).when I get home I will post a picture of the vet invoice, and finally Monday I will go to the avian and exotic center of medicine and obtain a written Signed confirmation/description of the circumstance the chameleon was in (that's when the vet who performed the procedure is in next ) and the medical procedures that had to occur. No need to trash talk like I said I will gladly supply plenty of proof. These will be sent to jay as well as posted on this board .

 

[Lucille]

I will be posting pictures shortly of the cage set up, and of his damaged neck(which has evident black damage).when I get home I will post a picture of the vet invoice, and finally Monday I will go to the avian and exotic center of medicine and obtain a written Signed confirmation/description of the circumstance the chameleon was in (that's when the vet who performed the procedure is in next ) and the medical procedures that had to occur. No need to trash talk like I said I will gladly supply plenty of proof. These will be sent to jay as well as posted on this board .

I don't doubt that your critter was hurt. I question the circumstances under which the damage occurred, which none of your proof can really address..

 

[Jay Sick]

i want everyone to google rare earth neodymium magnets and watch you tube vids on what they do actually ill make a video and show everyone.

 

[Jay Sick]

you know after all this and what this kid just texted me i am done with this nonsense there is no way the cham ate or pulled a magnet off a branch and them attracted 2 more magnets without a human doing something to make it happen. Now this kid wants 200 dollars or a free new cham out of me surprise surprise how high the number and what he wants is maybe it was time for a new cham and time to hustle the original seller either way im sorry i study physics and biology he did not have to go to vet either if it was really in his dew lap when he post pics u will see cham is fine im sorry but i will not be riduculed and accused for someones bs