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Bad Guy Dave goyeau

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I've got a situation with a guy named dave goyeau, two months ago we made a trade, I gave him a high white sugar female with a nice ringer for a caramel albino female. About a week after the trade was made I'd been noticing the snake was off, I likened it to the spider wobble, so I emailed him trying to setup a meet so I could try to get a read off him to see if he knew about it or not. I got no reply, it felt fishy to me because just a week prior that was the email address he used to contact me but I gave him the benefit of the doubt because I have done a couple other deals with him and I thought he was a good guy, boy was I wrong!
About a month after the deal I'd had enough, after looking at this snake once a day for a month I knew something was off with it and he had to have known. I sent him another email, this time asking him about the condition of the snake, I didn't accuse him of anything shady I just flat out said this snake is off and I'd like to trade back or something but I don't want his "off" snake, again I got no reply!
It kind of hit me, he knew and didn't plan on doing anything to rectify the situation!!
We are now two months from the day we traded and I'm just sick of looking at this freakshow snake he gave me so I send one last email, this time calling him out on knowing the snake was off and not disclosing it to me before the deal, again no reply!
This doesn't sit well with me, I have his address but know if i just show up it could get physical and I don't wanna hurt the little fella I just want him to make it right! So I searched Facebook and found him so I sent him a message on there, finally he responds with, why is this the first I'm hearing of this? I tell him about the emails I sent and the condition of the snake he gave me telling him I don't want it and that I'm open to any option he can come up with to make it right. My first choice would have been to just trade back snakes but he tells me the sugar is gone, so I ask what he got for it I'd take payments equal to the amount, at this point I'm still being calm with him trying to work it out privately, he tells me he gave it away, sure! He also said I could see if you got a hold of me the day of or next day he maybe would have done something but too much time had passed! Nice eh? 24 hour warranty that's fantastic!
Then he slips up, he tells me that I knew the condition because he told me, which he did not but now I know he knew before the deal and in my eyes that makes him a scammer!

Talks quickly broke down between us, he claims I threatened him and says he will call the police on me, I got beligerant telling him this isn't over make it right or I go public. He told me do what I gotta do to him the deal is done!

I have placed ads trying to sell the snake, with his name in them just trying to let people know how he does business!

This entire situation could have been avoided had he mention the snake was "off", had he told me there is no way I would have taken it, he probably knew that which is why he didnt! Also I gave him multiple options and chances to make this right before putting it out in the public for everyone to see, he didn't care to try to fix it with me or that I tell people he screwed me!

DO NOT trust dave, I don't recommend dealing with him at all, unless all you want is a 24 hour warranty on an animal that can live for 20+ years!

This is not an issue of improper husbandry, this snake has a neurological issue that I was not made aware of prior to our trade and I feel he should have and even though he didn't I gave him chances to make it right but he doesn't care about that, great way to do business!

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If you have those emails, texts, FB posts or anything else that you could post here, it would only bolster your case.
 
I've got a situation with a guy named dave goyeau, two months ago we made a trade, I gave him a high white sugar female with a nice ringer for a caramel albino female. About a week after the trade was made I'd been noticing the snake was off, I likened it to the spider wobble, so I emailed him trying to setup a meet so I could try to get a read off him to see if he knew about it or not. I got no reply, it felt fishy to me because just a week prior that was the email address he used to contact me but I gave him the benefit of the doubt because I have done a couple other deals with him and I thought he was a good guy, boy was I wrong!
About a month after the deal I'd had enough, after looking at this snake once a day for a month I knew something was off with it and he had to have known. I sent him another email, this time asking him about the condition of the snake, I didn't accuse him of anything shady I just flat out said this snake is off and I'd like to trade back or something but I don't want his "off" snake, again I got no reply!
It kind of hit me, he knew and didn't plan on doing anything to rectify the situation!!
We are now two months from the day we traded and I'm just sick of looking at this freakshow snake he gave me so I send one last email, this time calling him out on knowing the snake was off and not disclosing it to me before the deal, again no reply!
This doesn't sit well with me, I have his address but know if i just show up it could get physical and I don't wanna hurt the little fella I just want him to make it right! So I searched Facebook and found him so I sent him a message on there, finally he responds with, why is this the first I'm hearing of this? I tell him about the emails I sent and the condition of the snake he gave me telling him I don't want it and that I'm open to any option he can come up with to make it right. My first choice would have been to just trade back snakes but he tells me the sugar is gone, so I ask what he got for it I'd take payments equal to the amount, at this point I'm still being calm with him trying to work it out privately, he tells me he gave it away, sure! He also said I could see if you got a hold of me the day of or next day he maybe would have done something but too much time had passed! Nice eh? 24 hour warranty that's fantastic!
Then he slips up, he tells me that I knew the condition because he told me, which he did not but now I know he knew before the deal and in my eyes that makes him a scammer!

Talks quickly broke down between us, he claims I threatened him and says he will call the police on me, I got beligerant telling him this isn't over make it right or I go public. He told me do what I gotta do to him the deal is done!

I have placed ads trying to sell the snake, with his name in them just trying to let people know how he does business!

This entire situation could have been avoided had he mention the snake was "off", had he told me there is no way I would have taken it, he probably knew that which is why he didnt! Also I gave him multiple options and chances to make this right before putting it out in the public for everyone to see, he didn't care to try to fix it with me or that I tell people he screwed me!

DO NOT trust dave, I don't recommend dealing with him at all, unless all you want is a 24 hour warranty on an animal that can live for 20+ years!

This is not an issue of improper husbandry, this snake has a neurological issue that I was not made aware of prior to our trade and I feel he should have and even though he didn't I gave him chances to make it right but he doesn't care about that, great way to do business!

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Would you please elaborate on your statement "I have placed ads trying to sell the snake".
 
Would you please elaborate on your statement "I have placed ads trying to sell the snake"

Could you explain Chris why that is important to this thread?
 
If you have those emails, texts, FB posts or anything else that you could post here, it would only bolster your case.
I have all emails and messages but I'm computer illiterate and only have my tablet for now but I'll try and figure it out for you and everyone reading.

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Would you please elaborate on your statement "I have placed ads trying to sell the snake".
I gave Dave every opportunity to make it right, even after it got heated I told him it doesn't have to go any further than between us and he told me to do what I gotta do, so I made a couple ads explaining the snake is off and the guy that gave her time knew it and didn't disclose it and yes his name was in the title, produced by Dave goyeau. I also put pictures of the snake in none normal snake poses and I could not believe it but I got multiple responses! I am actually selling her for a hefty loss tomorrow I just want her out of my rack! The guy that is buying her has a wonky spider as well and said he keeps them as strictly pets, I made him promise to never breed her and if he ever sells her he must not be a dick like dave, he has to fully disclose the snakes condition prior to letting it leave his collection!

Another interesting response I got was " he did the same thing to me" that reply got me excited I asked who are you what happened and when but unfortunately no reply, so I sent one more saying no name is needed just fill me in but as of 345 today still no reply!


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Does the caramel albino's neuro problem impact her ability to eat, shed, etc? What is her age/weight?
I haven't offered live and I have advised the guy getting her not to because everytime I've fed her she has missed the prey at least once! Once she gets a hold of it she knows what to do with it though. She has shed for me while in my care, no problem! Poop and pee appear normal but that's all that's normal with this girl!

She can't be more than 5-6 months old, she weighed 262 in late July.

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I appreciate the interest this post has generated, I have nothing to hide and am more than willing to answer any and all questions, if it prevents one person from giving this guy their money its worth the effort in my eyes!

The sad truth of the situation is I will never be reimbursed, even though he slipped up and told me that he had told me she was off, only proving to me that he knew because there is no way I would have taken her!!

Guys like this only hurt our hobby but there isn't much I can do about it so I have decided to sell the snake, taking a substantial loss just to get the snake out of my sight so I can move on! Unlike Dave I said it in email and on the phone to the new buyer and this guy is more than happy to get such a beautiful snake even if it is a little wonky!

it makes me smile knowing a little over 250 local people got to see my ads and a few more got private messages and I'm sure he is in damage control mode lying his ass off to cover his garbage business practices! I also take joy in knowing that karma loves guys like this, one minute he is riding high scamming people the next he gets hit by a bus, I can only hope no one on the bus gets injured!

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Would you please elaborate on your statement "I have placed ads trying to sell the snake"

Could you explain Chris why that is important to this thread?

No. I ask questions in order to form my own personal opinions. My question was satisfied with a response. A civil one at that. Whether or not my question to the OP bothers you for whatever personal reason is irrelevant to me. Totally irrelevant.
 
I gave Dave every opportunity to make it right, even after it got heated I told him it doesn't have to go any further than between us and he told me to do what I gotta do, so I made a couple ads explaining the snake is off and the guy that gave her time knew it and didn't disclose it and yes his name was in the title, produced by Dave goyeau. I also put pictures of the snake in none normal snake poses and I could not believe it but I got multiple responses! I am actually selling her for a hefty loss tomorrow I just want her out of my rack! The guy that is buying her has a wonky spider as well and said he keeps them as strictly pets, I made him promise to never breed her and if he ever sells her he must not be a dick like dave, he has to fully disclose the snakes condition prior to letting it leave his collection!

Another interesting response I got was " he did the same thing to me" that reply got me excited I asked who are you what happened and when but unfortunately no reply, so I sent one more saying no name is needed just fill me in but as of 345 today still no reply!


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Thank you for the sesponse. The reason I asked is because the only description of the snake's problem is that it is "off". What if it's more serious than a neurological problem? I would not be comfortable selling a reptile "as is" without knowing whether or not it could potentially harm someone's collection.
 
You potentially are dealing with a contagious viral disease. It is becoming very common among boids and pythons. If this is the case, you need to make sure you have this animal separated, and I would not want anything back from this guy except money. Biosecurity should be the most important thing for your collection.
 
I gave Dave every opportunity to make it right, even after it got heated I told him it doesn't have to go any further than between us and he told me to do what I gotta do, so I made a couple ads explaining the snake is off and the guy that gave her time knew it and didn't disclose it and yes his name was in the title, produced by Dave goyeau. I also put pictures of the snake in none normal snake poses and I could not believe it but I got multiple responses! I am actually selling her for a hefty loss tomorrow I just want her out of my rack! The guy that is buying her has a wonky spider as well and said he keeps them as strictly pets, I made him promise to never breed her and if he ever sells her he must not be a dick like dave, he has to fully disclose the snakes condition prior to letting it leave his collection!

Another interesting response I got was " he did the same thing to me" that reply got me excited I asked who are you what happened and when but unfortunately no reply, so I sent one more saying no name is needed just fill me in but as of 345 today still no reply!


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Could you please post all corrospondences with all anove mentioned people. Thanks in advance.
 
Thank you for the sesponse. The reason I asked is because the only description of the snake's problem is that it is "off". What if it's more serious than a neurological problem? I would not be comfortable selling a reptile "as is" without knowing whether or not it could potentially harm someone's collection.
Good point. And hopefully the OP has quarantined well. Without taking the critter to the vet, I think any attempt to sell it should come with a full disclosure that the problem at this time is unidentified and could possibly be infectious.

Would you please elaborate on your statement "I have placed ads trying to sell the snake"

Could you explain Chris why that is important to this thread?

I think it may be critical to this thread in more ways than one; how the OP treats the snake (in terms of whether he will take it to the vet) and the particulars of the disclosures he makes will say a lot about him.
And Chris' question may possibly alert a buyer to expand his/her scope of thinking about this 'offense' in a way that may encourage safety.
To often buyers see a bargain price and don't think through the possibilities that it may not be such a bargain.
 
If everything occurred, as you posted, I would agree, with you, in that you were scammed.

As requested, by another, if you could post any emails, texts, etc., that would be of great help.
If you need help, on how to post them, just ask.:)

Did you inform Dave Goyeau about this thread?

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Could you please post all corrospondences with all anove mentioned people. Thanks in advance.
The only corespondence I had with the person who said he did he same thing to me literally all it said was he did the same thing to me, the person never contacted me after that.

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As requested, by another, if you could post any emails, texts, etc., that would be of great help.
If you need help, on how to post them, just ask.

LoL Just saw how many people have asked the same question, that I did (above), and thought "wow, a broken record".
However, like I said, if you need help I am sure one of us could help you with it.
 
As far as being an infectious disease, I quarinteen all new snakes, its still separate from my collection. I am only assuming here, as I'm no vet and she hasn't been to one but her "condition" hasnt changed I've just become aware of it and I've had the snake for two months now and I see no difference in her today than I did a mont ago when I finally decided I wasn't nuts the snake is!

Also he has a pic of it on his monarch exotics page and because I know what im looking at now, I can see it in the pic, its head is tilted and it looks like it just came down from wobbling around!

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The only corespondence I had with the person who said he did he same thing to me literally all it said was he did the same thing to me, the person never contacted me after that.

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I was actually more interested in the ad you posted and the correspondence between you and the person who agreed to buy the "off" snake in question.
 
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