Bad Guy Nicholas P. Heistan CNH Reptiles

[CwnAnnwn]

Ms. Opalack,

There is three small problems.

The conversation happened on the 25th of Oct. And Mr. Heistan already refunded everything but the deposit fee. And Mr. Heistan has cut off all communication with Mr. Jones.

And is now, 10 days later, out hunting.

So the whole story you came up with, does not make a lot of sense.

 

[Kristi23]

As a seller who uses paypal, I know that the fees are my responsibility and not the buyers. If I wanted to, I could just add a few dollars to the amount I'm asking, but I don't do that either. I eat all the paypal fees and the fees for shipping supplies. Paypal has always stated that you are not allowed to charge someone for the fees, so I do not think it's ok for someone to ask for them separately.

As for the deposit. If I make a mistake or have to cancel a sale for some reason, I refund the deposit right away. If it's something on the buyers end, the non refundable deposit stays with me. It's not ok to keep a deposit for something that is your fault.

I would just refund the OP and be done with it. Why cause such a problem for $35 that could ruin your reputation as a seller? Learn from this and grow from it. If you want to charge paypal fees, add them into your asking price ahead of time. You are still responsible for the fees, but at least you'll have a little more money from the sale to help cover that. Never ask for more money after the sale is done.

 

[ElexisC]

Oh... where to even start. For those who are not familiar with Ms Ortiz, in my experience it always appears as the following. Ms. Ortiz never seems to let details get in her way of making asinine remarks about an OP making a complaint here, especially if she knows the person the post is about. I once watched her "attack" (a word she is fond of using against anyone who has something to say about her) and berate a seller over them not shipping (I believe this is a post here on Fauna). Even though the seller repeatedly gave valid reasons for not shipping, naively thinking that rational thoughts and ideas would make sense to Ms Ortiz she did not stop criticizing the seller over the shipping details. Few side notes to that incident, at the time Ms. Ortiz had shipped exactly Zero times. Zero, as in none, as in never, but of course this somehow made her feel she knows best about shipping. Oh, and she was in the middle of working a deal for a few snakes, and Im sure this was strictly coincidence, from the buyer being brought to task in the post.


Paypal... this one seems never ending with Ms Ortiz. If I remember correctly she once made the incredible stupid argument of "why would they have a friends and family option if they didnt want you to use it?". Well, cant argue with that logic now could you. I believe she repeatedly commented on how she send funds that way (for goods and services) and I think that is how she said she always paid her rent. I said it then and I will say it again. That makes her nothing more than a petty thief.

"Also if you're making 4 payments on 175 should you really be buying animals?"

First off, what a **** comment to make about someone. But what makes this comment so precious is that it comes from someone that, from what I can determine from a post of hers, was so broke that she had to spend money out of a deposit she received for a dog she was selling for her own needs. Who spends deposit money before they ship and buyer receives? One must be pretty bad off to have to tap into the massive deposit of $50 for gas money and to feed a snake (BTW notice that the dog food was, at the very least, the 3rd item she was going to use someone else's money on after first putting gas in her truck and then feeding, I assume, a snake). Ms. Ortiz, heres a tip. If you need someone else's money to feed your snake then maybe you shouldn't have snakes. Poor Osiris probably would have starved to death if not for the $50 you received as a deposit. I mean if you had other funds at the time surely you wouldnt have used another persons money, would you? You apparently had $50 to your name that wasn't even yours to use yet and you have the audacity to make that comment about another member of the community. I am probably repeating myself here but to me you are like a dingleberry clinging to the ass of this industry.

To the Admins... I believe this post is justified. I am commenting on the validity of anothers comments and showing what I feel is her history of making such posts about others here on the BOI. It is for these reasons, I believe, that Ms. Ortiz has been removed from numerous BOI type sites on face book.

Bill, you hate me and I surely hate you. It's amazing you have fixated on me to the point you kept an irrelevant screen shot for OVER A YEAR. Just to try to use it against me. Get me out of your head, leave me alone, stop trying to make me out to be a bad person when you're the one who has obviously taken so much time trying to make me out to be a bad person. Grow up.

 

[ElexisC]

And yea, I used some money, OVER A YEAR AGO for the animals. I now breed my own rats, am taking care of 15 snakes, 6 of which are not mine. But you don't have all of that info do you? No. You want to use info from OVER A YEAR AGO to try to ruin me because you are a petty person who cannot let go of an argument and you getting banned from a group for personally attacking me for absolutely no reason or is disagreeing with someone enough reason to go on their facebook and personally attack them and their family? I am sitting in a HOSPITAL BED IN PAIN! and you are seriously dredging up old info as if it is relevant now, most of which you can't even prove. Btw that deposit was used for the animals since my fiance wasn't paid yet, and that money was put back aside afterwards, hut you didn't know that either did you, nope.

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[Fangthane]

I believe this post is justified.

You're not alone.

 

[chkadii]

Ms. Opalack,

There is three small problems.

The conversation happened on the 25th of Oct. And Mr. Heistan already refunded everything but the deposit fee. And Mr. Heistan has cut off all communication with Mr. Jones.

And is now, 10 days later, out hunting.

So the whole story you came up with, does not make a lot of sense.

I was going by Elexis's post, where she said:

Nick was out duck hunting and the OP got angry because he didn't answer one message while he was hunting and said he wanted to see what was going on in his paypal

It is my understanding that Nick was out duck hunting (and therefore not responding) when Shaun sent the text in the third screenshot, on the 25th. Nick needed to get home to check what the extra fees were, on the 25th, to confirm with Shaun - not to confirm what they were when he was talking to Elexis.

I'm aware that Nick refunded most of the money already, but Shaun is arguing that he should also receive the remaining $35 non-refundable deposit. In my opinion, Nick should refund the entire deposit (of $35) because it was Nick who had an issue with the transaction on the 25th. It could be argued that Shaun was the one to initiate a refund, however he was doing that under the impression that Nick was not going to ship unless he paid the fees. Perhaps Shaun jumped the gun, but he only reacted to what Nick told him (that "it 175 not 175 and I pay the fees"), which is a change to the terms of the transaction at best and also a violation of Paypal's policy. I would be very concerned if a seller went radio silent right after I asked for a refund, so I can understand why Shaun took matters into his own hands. If Nick hadn't said anything about not paying the fees himself, then I would have been in favor of Nick keeping the deposit.

Hope this clears up where I was coming from in my post!

 

[ElexisC]

Lol ok. I made payments on 2 animals that totaled over $600, not 175. And again at that point I needed puppy food and a couple rats, the deposit was then put back when my fiance got paid a couple days later. Not that it was even needed as they finished the purchase of the puppy, in 2014. You used that screen shot like that was just this past summer. And you don't know me enough to call me a bad person. Wow I made one statement on here you don't like, a lot of people have said worse in other threads but you only target me, obviously you care lol.

And a sob bs story? It was plain to see in the comments that you and another were going threw mine and another person's facebook and making attacks on photos and such, you were banned. You also made another facebook, I know this because I had you blocked, did not unblock you, yet you showed back up in comments, meaning new Facebook account.

And YOU banned me from a group that you were an admin of, that I had no clue you were even in. I was commenting on a thread and you pooped up with your attacks and threatened to ban me for no reason, oh wait you had just got banned from another group for attacking me and someone else.. also the person who you admin that group is just a jerk like you are who takes up for friends even if they're in the wrong. Yea I've been banned from some groups, because I say what I think whether someone wants to hear it or not and some overly sensitive people can't take it and freak out or don't like being told they're doing something wrong. I really don't care I was banned from groups, that still doesn't make me a bad person because some fb admins think they're gods. Now I'm not going to derail this any further. I saw a name I knew of in a bad guy title, when I had never heard any bad about him before hand, and messaged him to let him know it was here and I posted what he had told me about this. Oh and he was going to refund the $35 but the impatient op started a claim that has everything locked up so he cant, and he blocked the op because the op kept hounding him for $35. If nick said "pay the fees or you don't get the snake" then that in my opinion would make it wrong, very wrong. Like I said, he told me there was payments and miscellaneous fees after those payments that he later found out was due to his son, the op jumped the gun, and most likely misinterpreted, which I agree that doesn't look that good, but could have kept a level head and let it play out. All nick wanted to do (from what he told me) was figure out all those fees on his paypal because things "weren't adding up" the op was told several times he was going to get the $35 from what nick has told me, hut filed a paypal dispute and went to the bank instead of giving him a resonance amount of time to complete it.

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[ElexisC]

Lol ok. I made payments on 2 animals that totaled over $600, not 175. And again at that point I needed puppy food and a couple rats, the deposit was then put back when my fiance got paid a couple days later. Not that it was even needed as they finished the purchase of the puppy, in 2014. You used that screen shot like that was just this past summer. And you don't know me enough to call me a bad person. Wow I made one statement on here you don't like, a lot of people have said worse in other threads but you only target me, obviously you care lol.

And a sob bs story? It was plain to see in the comments that you and another were going threw mine and another person's facebook and making attacks on photos and such, you were banned. You also made another facebook, I know this because I had you blocked, did not unblock you, yet you showed back up in comments, meaning new Facebook account.

And YOU banned me from a group that you were an admin of, that I had no clue you were even in. I was commenting on a thread and you pooped up with your attacks and threatened to ban me for no reason, oh wait you had just got banned from another group for attacking me and someone else.. also the person who you admin that group is just a jerk like you are who takes up for friends even if they're in the wrong. Yea I've been banned from some groups, because I say what I think whether someone wants to hear it or not and some overly sensitive people can't take it and freak out or don't like being told they're doing something wrong. I really don't care I was banned from groups, that still doesn't make me a bad person because some fb admins think they're gods. Now I'm not going to derail this any further. I saw a name I knew of in a bad guy title, when I had never heard any bad about him before hand, and messaged him to let him know it was here and I posted what he had told me about this. Oh and he was going to refund the $35 but the impatient op started a claim that has everything locked up so he cant, and he blocked the op because the op kept hounding him for $35. If nick said "pay the fees or you don't get the snake" then that in my opinion would make it wrong, very wrong. Like I said, he told me there was payments and miscellaneous fees after those payments that he later found out was due to his son, the op jumped the gun, and most likely misinterpreted, which I agree that doesn't look that good, but could have kept a level head and let it play out. All nick wanted to do (from what he told me) was figure out all those fees on his paypal because things "weren't adding up" the op was told several times he was going to get the $35 from what nick has told me, hut filed a paypal dispute and went to the bank instead of giving him a resonance amount of time to complete it.

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Popped up*

The person who created the group you admin*

 

[CwnAnnwn]

Hope this clears up where I was coming from in my post!

I am sorry if my post came off as being rude, that was never the intention. I just wanted to point out that the seller did the refund then cut off communication.

I agree this is a horrible. The whole amount should be refunded. Non-refundable is only there so the seller does not loose any major amount of money. But if the seller is the one that can not finish the deal, then it the whole amount should be returned.


Ms. Craig and Mr. Zowak is there a possiblity we could move this thread back to the subject?

 

[Black Adder]

Ms. Craig and Mr. Zowak is there a possiblity we could move this thread back to the subject?[/QUOTE]



Entertaining maybe
Relevant to op boi?
Not at all.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

Keep the thread on topic, at this point it is veering off course. Thank you.

 

[Pasodama]

Lol ok. I made payments on 2 animals that totaled over $600, not 175.

It doesn't matter.
Also, according to the OP, all payments (full amount of $175) were made within 3 weeks. That is a rather short time period.

That aside, there are those who budget for all living expenses, including animal care/feed, where whatever is left over is "play money". Doesn't matter if it is $20 or $2000. Fact is that the people, who do this, don't have a problem with providing for their animals. If you do not know someone's circumstances, and do not have all facts, it is wrong to make that comment.

At any rate, OP should have been refunded his payment in full. Seller needs to refund the remaining portion of $35 .

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[Pasodama]

Sorry about the off topic portion, in my post, that I contributed.
Was the only comment I was going to make re. any of that.
Didn't see the mod request/warning until after I posted.

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[Black Adder]

I have absolutely NO idea why any seller would even dream of damaging their hard earnt business reputation over $35?
It seems to be clear here that the seller caused the non sale and there should not even be ANY question over a deposit not being refunded.
Nicholas, do the right thing now before it is too late
Send the $35 back.....

 

[pwebyd90]

Oh and he was going to refund the $35 but the impatient op started a claim that has everything locked up so he cant, and he blocked the op because the op kept hounding him for $35.

Heres another screenshot with some time stamps

 

[CwnAnnwn]

Wow. I am just...wow.

I am sorry, but this is way beyond 35 dollars. Non one and I mean no one, deserves to be treated like that.

Mr. Jones could you please post the whole conversation?

 

[TheLittleHeathen]

Wow... that is just beyond unprofessional...

 

[Kristi23]

Wow. I am just...wow.

I am sorry, but this is way beyond 35 dollars. Non one and I mean no one, deserves to be treated like that.

Mr. Jones could you please post the whole conversation?

I would like to see this, too, but make sure you cover the swear words.

 

[Black Adder]

I would like to see this, too, but make sure you cover the swear words.

Dont think there would be much left to post by then......

 

[Lucille]

All nick wanted to do (from what he told me) was figure out all those fees on his paypal because things "weren't adding up" the op was told several times he was going to get the $35 from what nick has told me, hut filed a paypal dispute and went to the bank instead of giving him a resonance amount of time to complete it.

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I don't understand. No matter what happened and whether or not the fees added up, the $35 should have been sent to Shaun immediately. The fees had nothing to do with Shaun, he did not assess them. The seller should have immediately refunded the $35 and then he could have looked into whatever he needed to at his leisure.

I'm with the others who would like to see screenshots of the entire recently posted conversation because from what I can see, the seller's communication was horrendous. I'd send that conversation to Paypal, too, just to help them come to the conclusion that the seller is not someone they want to have using their service.