Bad Guy Buddy Young - Designer Boas - BAD DEAL

[713Jason]

Absolutely horrible communication and customer service.


I inquired about a hog that he had listed for $250 shipped. Here is a link to the ad: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=580013

Following are transaction details via email:

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From: "Jason Cothren" <j******@icloud.com>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 5:49:18 PM
Subject: Hog


Hi there,


Still have the little hog?

Also looking for BCL and maybe one or two of those nice Peruvians you keep showing off.

Not sure what email address this is going to come from but my email addy is: jason@*******.com

Thanks!

Jason
Sent from my iPad

From: Buddy Young [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 5:15 PM
To: Jason Cothren <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hog


Hi Jason,


yes sir, she's still here. I won't have any BCL this year.


I am going to lets 1.1 sub adult Peruvians go at 2,000.00 ea. Thank you very much for your inquiry.

From: "Jason Cothren" <jason@*******.com>
To: "Buddy Young" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:19:56 AM
Subject: RE: Hog

Hi Buddy,

I will take the hog. How do you like to get paid? What days do you ship? Also – the jab at locality freaks in the description is pretty funny!

Those Peruvians are so nice; one day…

Thanks!


Best regards,

Jason

From: Buddy Young [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2016 11:33 AM
To: Jason Cothren <j*****@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Hog

Hi Jason,

Very good sir, shes a special little lady in my book. I much prefer Paypal, However I ask that you send the funds as a gift to friends and family or add 3.5% to the total to forgo the fees on my end.

I ship Mondays and Tuesdays only. Next Monday is Independence day so next Tuesday will be my next shipping day. My Paypal address is [email protected].

Thank you very much for your order and I'll look for your payment.
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From: Buddy Young [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:19 AM
To: Jason Cothren <jason@*******.com>
Subject: Re: Hog

Jason,

If you want the hog you need to pay for her. I have someone else wanting her and I'm not going to sell her out from under you.


I didn't take a jab at locality types? I complimented them:

Anal

: extremely or overly neat, careful, or precise

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From: "Jason Cothren" <jason@*******.com>
To: "Buddy Young" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:23:54 PM
Subject: RE: Hog

Done!


Best regards,

Jason Cothren

From: Buddy Young [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:06 PM
To: Jason Cothren <jason@*******.com>
Subject: Re: Hog

Thanks Jason,


Please forward your shipping and email addresses along with your phone number for your shipping label. Tomorrow she is schedule for feeding I want to get another meal in her and another shed before she is ready to ship.


My phone number is ***-***-**** if you have any questions. You can catch me on FB too. Thank you very much for your patronage.


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So at this point I have paid and am being told AFTER payment that he wants to get another meal and shed in her. This is the last email I got from him. In the mean time....

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From: Jason Cothren <jason@*******.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:06 PM
To: Buddy Young [mailto:[email protected]]
Subject: Re: Hog

My pleasure and thank you! Ive been waiting a year for the right one to come along. Looking for a boyfriend for her too if you or anyone you know has any.

When do you plan on shipping so I can make arrangements?

Jason Cothren
#@#$ Noway Rd.
Houston, TX
***.***.****

Thanks again!

Best regards,

Jason Cothren

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Since he had already told me he was shipping on Tuesday I kind of left it alone being a holiday weekend and all. Since I hadn't heard back I decided to reach out again.
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From: "Jason Cothren" <jason@*******.com>
To: "Buddy Young" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 2:34:15 PM
Subject: RE: Hog

Hi Buddy,

Will she be shipping tomorrow?

Best regards,

Jason Cothren

Crickets chirping. Nothing.

From: "Jason Cothren" <jason@*******.com>
To: "Buddy Young" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2016 2:02 PM
Subject: RE: Hog

Hi Buddy,

Tomorrow marks a week since our last communication. I’ve emailed twice since then but have heard nothing back.

Everything ok? What is the status.

Best regards,

Jason Cothren

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Within an hour I started getting calls and its at this point we start the text battle...

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[713Jason]

 

[713Jason]

What you are seeing with the DONT SEND THE SNAKE Text is in regards to him now setting up shipping and fedex emailing me telling me I have something coming in-bound.


I checked everywhere yesterday and I see no where any wording about no refunds (although Im sure there will be some within a day or so...that have been there all along )

I could accept the snakes on Wednesday and probably even today but I am out in PHX at this point. And with all the trash talking and BS this guy is throwing I have zero trust in either him or his product.

Buyer beware. Or at least know that you'll get your product when Buddy decides to give it to you.

 

[Beyond GenetiX]

Did you file a claim with PayPal and let him know of this post?

 

[713Jason]

Yes. He could care less. And if you read the texts you can see him taunting me telling me "ive done this before" and "I'll win" etc etc.

 

[713Jason]

Luckily I paid the 3.5% fee instead of gifting him the money like he requested.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

Was it really that bad to wait a couple weeks to get her? What a mess.
It does look bad the seller is saying he'll 'win' the money but also does seem like he's still willing to ship her. How did you send the funds? Did you ask about terms beforehand (where seller says credit, no refunds)?
What can be done to resolve this now? You're demanding a refund, sounds like you won't get it, what would be acceptable? Do you no longer what the boa?
I hope you both can calm down and come to a solution.

 

[spinytail]

Sounds to me like Buddy Young of Designer Boas has lied about shipping on the Tuesday he originally planned and now is threatening to keep your money if he can't force his changed ship date. With you not able to accept due to his change in the shipping agreement, I only see a refund as the professional way to handle this.

Buddy, time to be professional and offer a refund or you will never see my business or likely many others who read this. Sorry Jason you had to deal with this crap. Sucks how some people in this hobby treat others and lack communication skills. Sometimes I wonder if they have great communication skills and purposefully play stupid to confuse the situation and attempt at forcing you to make mistakes. Anyways good luck getting your money!

 

[spinytail]

Was it really that bad to wait a couple weeks to get her? What a mess.
It does look bad the seller is saying he'll 'win' the money but also does seem like he's still willing to ship her. How did you send the funds? Did you ask about terms beforehand (where seller says credit, no refunds)?
What can be done to resolve this now? You're demanding a refund, sounds like you won't get it, what would be acceptable? Do you no longer what the boa?
I hope you both can calm down and come to a solution.

I think when it comes to buying rarer reptiles, if the credibility of the seller is broken, then the reliability of the animal being of good lineage and/or health can be in question as well. With the aggressive talk by Buddy, I would not trust getting anything other than money from him. That I will win attitude would make me suspect of anything but a bad outcome unless strait cash back. I think Jason is correct in pushing for this as the only option.

 

[Lucille]

Jason, Had the snake been shipped to you when you thought, you would have to have been planning to hire a caretaker for her while you were in the desert for a month.
Why not plan the shipment and have the caretaker pick her up, see if you can arrange that with your seller.
I do not like how your seller has handled Paypal, but at least you were wise enough not to choose the 'friends and family' payment method.
If the snake does not get shipped successfully you can always start a Paypal claim, but for now, why not work toward getting her shipped?

 

[tlmoon]

I think you both got upset about this and perhaps you both need to take a step back and cool down. Shipping a snake in summer, there could always be a temp issue. So needing to wait a few weeks doesn't seem like that big of a deal...? Am I missing something here? I understand that you thought the shipping date was set, however he said early on that would be "my next shipping date". To me that means, IF you buy the snake and IF we get everything settled, that is the next day I am shipping. Since he had to remind you to pay him two days later, he may not have scheduled shipping this particular snake on his next shipping day. You paid right away at that point it looks like, no I'm not criticizing you. However, now it's the end of the week and he's going to feed the snake and she's in shed. Is another week or two really such a problem in this instance? However, the seller doesn't show himself well by being kind of jerk about how he is going to win the paypal and keep your money.

I'm also wondering, did the seller actually email you and your spam folder got them, or are you saying he never emailed you but is lying about that?

In my opinion the OP could have shown a bit more flexibility, but the seller could have shown more restraint in his responses and a less flippant attitude about the whole thing.
This doesn't seem like a scammer issue. More like two people with a short fuse getting off on the wrong foot.

 

[bcr229]

I think you both got upset about this and perhaps you both need to take a step back and cool down. Shipping a snake in summer, there could always be a temp issue. So needing to wait a few weeks doesn't seem like that big of a deal...? Am I missing something here? I understand that you thought the shipping date was set, however he said early on that would be "my next shipping date". To me that means, IF you buy the snake and IF we get everything settled, that is the next day I am shipping. Since he had to remind you to pay him two days later, he may not have scheduled shipping this particular snake on his next shipping day. You paid right away at that point it looks like, no I'm not criticizing you. However, now it's the end of the week and he's going to feed the snake and she's in shed. Is another week or two really such a problem in this instance? However, the seller doesn't show himself well by being kind of jerk about how he is going to win the paypal and keep your money.

I'm also wondering, did the seller actually email you and your spam folder got them, or are you saying he never emailed you but is lying about that?

In my opinion the OP could have shown a bit more flexibility, but the seller could have shown more restraint in his responses and a less flippant attitude about the whole thing.
This doesn't seem like a scammer issue. More like two people with a short fuse getting off on the wrong foot.

I agree. I've also been in situations where either the seller or I had to wave off shipping for a variety of reasons - weather, holidays, work commitments, etc. One critter I purchased took four months to ship due to abnormally cold temperatures one year. Both of us recognized that the health of the animal came first and we remained flexible on the ship date.

 

[713Jason]

In regards to the snake - unfortunately, I'm over it and him. At this point its not even about the money or the snake; it's about being mislead and then told to take it because I have no other option.

I had this and my other deliveries scheduled while I was still in town. From there everything goes in QT where my snake sitter can slide by every few days to check up and feed when applicable.

Yes, delivery was everything in this or I wouldn't have purchased. I have an odd schedule in that I am here today gone tomorrow. I know when and where I am going to be but I live a VERY scheduled life.

No, the seller never responded to my emails. I have zero spam filters due to the fact that a lot of new business comes through initially via contact through email channels. I keep these open due to not wanting to miss any possible leads/projects or problems clients may have.


I totally agree that we got off on wring foot. I even say so in the text to him but he just keeps on with the "Im going to win crap".

 

[713Jason]

I asked on a Wednesday if it was available and paid the following day.


I totally agree that we were both hot headed. At this point, I want nothing from him other than a refund.

 

[dmanturner]

Hi my name is Daniel Turner I have been a friend with a buddy young for some time now I bought a Sunglow hit and run from him it was a very nice snake it came when it was supposed to looks very nice packages well

Buddy even let you make payment plans if you talk to him on the phone and tell him that you're having a bad time and need some help maybe a week or two extra to make your last payment he's an understandable guy you work with you


If you go drive out of town on some crazy event and buy some cheap boa have I know that you know you're not supposed to because of what it could do to the rest of your collection he's the one that you can call when you need assistance and help to get your boa in good health


Buddy young will always be my good friend hope you have some good deals and some good breeding with him he has really nice snakes

 

[Craig Wyatt]

I'm always a bit suspicious when someone post a good guy type reply on a bad guy type thread and they just joined fauna. Could be legit though. But we have all seen this exact same thing a 1000 times though.
Someone with good experience shipping can do it in freezing cold weather and blazing hot weather. It all starts with a quality styro lined box and the appropriate heat or cold packs. Plus preparing the animal itself. Like no heat on the animal in its cage of any sorts the day shipping takes place. Plus there's a couple more really good tricks.
When he intially agreed to ship after the holiday what was excuse for having to wait 2 weeks. If I read everything correctly looks like he baited you into paying right then because someone else was "interested".
Just to give you some useful knowledge that is a selling tactic. But sometimes it is true. I'll tell you this. For every 10 people that are interested I might make 4 sales.
He baited you into what was an agreeable situation then flipped on you after he had the money (POWER).

 

[spinytail]

Jason, Had the snake been shipped to you when you thought, you would have to have been planning to hire a caretaker for her while you were in the desert for a month.
Why not plan the shipment and have the caretaker pick her up, see if you can arrange that with your seller.
I do not like how your seller has handled Paypal, but at least you were wise enough not to choose the 'friends and family' payment method.
If the snake does not get shipped successfully you can always start a Paypal claim, but for now, why not work toward getting her shipped?

Getting a snake, checking it over then setting up a quarantine would have to happen in my care. I would trust someone to feed a snake, but never to sit around waiting for a package, then properly determine its health and then it's needs based on this inspection. Also if it comes in unsatisfactory conditions, I could not expect this caretaker to properly deal with the seller and/or legal photographs, mite treatment or hydration etc.

All of that sounds easy, but in practice I can see many reasons why you would never let a caretaker accept a shipment and in no way is comparable to feeding and/or changing water for a few weeks.

 

[Deborah Stewart]

It amazes me that someone would jeopardize their reputation for $250 when it would be so simple to refund the money and move on.

Yes it's an inconvenience to refund money but has long as the animal has not shipped the money does not really belong to the seller anyway, it only does when the transaction is satisfactory.

Sometimes even with TOS you need to learn to bend them a little because the headaches of not doing so is just not worth it.

 

[tlmoon]

In regards to the snake - unfortunately, I'm over it and him. At this point its not even about the money or the snake; it's about being mislead and then told to take it because I have no other option.

I had this and my other deliveries scheduled while I was still in town. From there everything goes in QT where my snake sitter can slide by every few days to check up and feed when applicable.

Yes, delivery was everything in this or I wouldn't have purchased. I have an odd schedule in that I am here today gone tomorrow. I know when and where I am going to be but I live a VERY scheduled life.

No, the seller never responded to my emails. I have zero spam filters due to the fact that a lot of new business comes through initially via contact through email channels. I keep these open due to not wanting to miss any possible leads/projects or problems clients may have.


I totally agree that we got off on wring foot. I even say so in the text to him but he just keeps on with the "Im going to win crap".

Fair enough. The seller should do the right thing, which is also the common sense thing, and just refund your money. It's not worth trashing his reputation over.

I'm glad you didn't fall for the friends and family thing (no wonder he "always wins"!). I'm not sure that Paypal will agree he should keep your money when you never received any goods or services. Hopefully, you will get your money back.

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

Anybody get Buddy a head's up on this, so he can come clear this up real quick.