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Terri Sommella Fire and Ice Dragons -- Nightmare

For future referrence should the poster or any others need proof of the guarantee the poster mentioned in the first post, you can find it located at this URL, this is "the way back machine" a site that stores old archive information on the web.

As you can see, the site did say refund, now it says replacement. Go to this URL and click on the the last archive of her site, which right now is 3/7/04 Fire and ice dragons Archives

and it says
We guarantee the health of the animal for up to 30 days. Once you receive your new dragon, if after one week you are not satisfied with the animal, return the animal and we will refund your purchase price upon our receipt of the healthy animal. While we make every effort to accurately sex dragons, gender is not guaranteed.
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It has been changed very recently to say
We guarantee the health of any dragon for 30 days. If you are not satisfied for any reason, return the animal to us in good health and we will happily provide you with a replacement. While we make every effort to accurately sex dragons, gender is not guaranteed.
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Nice flame, Lucille: "In my experience, anyone who says words like 'open and shut' and 'period' has little value". I am not moved however, nor does it matter if I am or not. I had already asked my attorney friend, who said it IS in fact, open and shut. the buyer guaranteed a return of the animal for ANY reason, and then did not honor it. Simple stuff. The reason is irrelevent and could be simply "i am afraid of it" or any other reason. It does not matter. The buyer asked to return the animal and the seller refused. You are correct that there could be some mitigating factor like the buyer stepped on the animal, but theres no reason to believe thats the case, and after all this time, Im sure the seller knows of this thread and has yet to speak up on their own behalf so we are forced to believe the only available version of the story. But yes, you are right, there COULD be something we dont know. But IF the facts are as have been pointed out by the buyer, then the case would be open and shut.
 
Your attorney friend is I believe, incorrect. There are many incorrect and mistaken attorneys as well as judges, that is why we have appellate court systems.
The law is never sumple.
Hang in there, grasshopper, and see if the seller shows up. Patience is a virtue........
 
We had at one time thought about getting a dragon from her also about a year ago, but decided after a few conversations with her to withdrawn from any purchase. That was not based on any concerns on the quality of the animal, but did involve the verbal guarantee, her terms and something's she said in conversations on phone, in person and email.

I do have a few question for others that have spoken here and bought bearded dragons or may read this. Has anyone purchased a dragon that was not sold to them as a holdback by her? Where you able to see the dragon in photo's prior to purchase over the phone? If not, was the dragon as represented to you?


Cheri,
I inquired last year about getting a couple dragons from here. I was totally turned off by her and bought from someone else.
I think she sells all her dragons as holdbacks. I asked for pics and this is the response I got from her. She wanted me to "send the money and then she would give me specifics on the dragons I was going to receive." Sorry, no sale. I would never buy a dragon from her. So many other excellent breeders out there to deal with that don't give you the crap talk she does.

"We use rep cal pellets and also greens and bugs especially as babies....If you can be felxible and allow me to select the best two dragons for you regardless of color morph, I will have the best selection._ We can do a 7-9" male for 300 and the female for 350._ If you tell me what area you live, I can look up shipping for you but usually it's 35-45._ You can look on our website for the care sheet which tells a lot about what we generally do._ I can give you specifics on Your dragons as soon as our agreement is final._ Pay pal would be better than a fed ex check...or even credit card payment...since our mail system is slow to begin with and even fed ex arrives here late._ Let me know what you want to do._ Thanks! Terri "
 
I was quite amused to see a thread of complaint on the Snows from Fire and Ice...

My roommates purchased a Snow from her a few months ago...Emma has been a bit of a problem here...She's always black...Any time you go near her, even though we try to limit her contact with us to just feedings (because she's stressing so much); she gaps, bites and blackens. The four of the 6 dragons in this household are perfectly fine (I purchased a Snow from Sunshine Dragons a few months ago, and he had a case of pinworms when he arrived - they refunded me 50% of his purchase price - but he still doesn't like to eat his veggies), and they never have ANY contact with each other, and everything is thoroughly disinfected between uses and animals.

Just wanted to add our experience with Fire & Ice Snows here...
 
I also wanted to ad that Fire and Ice would not send my roommates pictures of the available Snows, and Terri attempted to dissuade them from meeting her instead of shipping. I had warned my roommate about sending payment before seeing the available animal, but she insisted that Fire and Ice was a good place to go through...I am seeing that she regrets the purchase.

I myself went against my better judgement and purchased a Snow from Sunshine Dragons without seeing pictures first...I have learned my lesson and won't be doing it again (unless it's a breeder I have purchased from before)...
 
Now THAT is not a good sign. I would never, these days, do biz with someone that does not post pics of what I am getting or let me make a selection. I hope she comes on board to explain all this stuff......
 
Uhhh.....Lucille-

This thread is over a month old. I didn't even realize this until now. How long should the herp community wait for a response? Especially after a few other folks have posted obsvervations in their dealings with Terri.

Just a question....Don't get judicial no my butt!!!!

Take care-

Bthacker
 
I can't help getting judicial, some people got rhythm, I got law.... lol....
I sent her an email today. I think it would be fair to give her until Wednesday. If by then she does not come forth to defend herself, then, res judicata, we will let the judgments of the people who have posted be the substance of her reputation.

Agreed? :D
 
The first post was 10-11-2004 02:45 AM, I missed that too, thought it was November, so it is over a month now

She has been informed several times of this thread according to other post. I do hope this last email sparks a response and explanation. Tha dragons pictured are beautiful, but the process for purchase (which seems to be everyone, not just us) concerned me and now seeing this post of a problem using the guarantee, and other who purchased the "unknown" on these very expensive dragons, makes me think that concern is well placed.

There is no way we know the other side of the story without the breeder responding, but no response speaks volumns too

BTW I am also curious why people did not buy from a long established breeder with a good rep, like Dragons Den for snows?
 
yes, lets see what she says, if anything. I have to disagree with you on the simplicity of cases like this however! Ive been in three, and none of them lasted more than 15 minutes in court before I won and the case was over! Ive watched child custody cases in my friends courtroom that lasted less than ten minutes! The law is not all that complicated. Getting this seller served and the case to trial would be more complicated because of multiple jurisdictions involved, but once in trial it is an absolutely trivial case of refusal to honor a written guarantee unless she has some extraordinary arguement which basically says that the buyer did something to mitigate the guarantee. According to the only version of the story, the buyer went to great lengths to get all available assistance with the animal, so I strongly doubt there are any such circumstances. But if she hasnt responded in a MONTH then I wonder if she will at all. She must know this is here.
 
CheriS said:
BTW I am also curious why people did not buy from a long established breeder with a good rep, like Dragons Den for snows?
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My roommates do not understand the steps that should be taken before laying down that kind of money (ie check the BOI, request photos or no purchase, etc.). I on the other hand, new better...but I assumed (stupidly) that the animal I would be receiving from Sunshine Dragons would look like the one pictured. In the future, I will be going to Dragons by Nature (he has helped me a great deal with my problems with Nova) or Dragons Den.
 
Terri just emailed back, I do not think she was aware of this thread, whether she responds is up to her but we at least know that she is now aware of the existence of the thread here.
 
Hmm, I wonder why she replied to me? I do not know; but I hope she shows and this gets ironed out one way or another.
 
Hey Steve, email me and let's yak law sometime.....
I can see it now:

Steve and Lucille's Lizard Law Emporium :D
 
Terri should not even dignify these outlandish accusations with a response. There is more involved than what the innocent $500 spending victim has put on the table.Terri has proved to me and many others I know that her dragons are top of the line and if anything UNDERPRICED,for example the first dragon I purchased from her, I payed $250 for a breeder quality animal and recieved, what I and many others know is a holdback, wether that was accidental or intentional who knows, But I can tell you she kept my buisness, Layla doubled in size in two months, on a silk worm and mustard green diet, with rep cal calcium, with color intensity that would make you drop your pants. You can not find this quality anywhere else,not even from the big boys who have been around twice as long. The color quality and vigor of her amimals are unmatched. Court procedures are not a concern of mine, and are not the reason I am wasting my time posting with all of the entertaining oppinionated spectators, and also does not matter because oppinions do not serve a purpose, especially when the opinionated parties are not even involved, and those who have formed an oppinion need to find somthing more constructive to do with their time, other than attacking a womans integrity of whome you have not even met or spoken with. Terri is a great woman, with great dragons, for great prices, as a consumer like all of you , that is all that matters. No one is perfect but her buisness is very close, she is what the other breeders should strive to become, most of your negativity is derived from your jealousy. first make a purchase, then state your oppinion.
 
May I point that least 2 opinions based on purchases from Fire & Ice were posted? The original thread poster, and mine (this is a long thread - and I do not recall if their were any other comments on dealings with her). I believe she should reply to this thread...or at least attempt to make it right privately to the consumers who were unhappy with their purchases.
 
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