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Bad Guy Scam Artist Keven Vogenberger

I hate to bash on people, but he is really not handling this professionally and in an adult manner. "Screw you"

I mean really? People are trying to help and that's what you say?
 
It's a shame those frogs are going to die under his care, how many other reptiles and amphibians die under his care or maybe I should say lack of care.the frogs have an easy treatable condition if treated early.it's way past that stage.
 
Ed, if you think you know what's wrong with those frogs, could you share that information with us? It might be nice to have one post in this thread that is informative.
 
elena said:
Ed, if you think you know what's wrong with those frogs, could you share that information with us? It might be nice to have one post in this thread that is informative.
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It would be inappropriate for me to talk veterinary medicine here.
thanks for asking.
 
elena said:
Ed, if you think you know what's wrong with those frogs, could you share that information with us? It might be nice to have one post in this thread that is informative.
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Before KEVEN spat his dummy out there were a number of thoughts and possibilities offered.
However they were all ignored and instead KEVEN went off on his little tirade.

IMHO he has absolutely zero interest in their welfare or indeed of any herp and is just trying to obtain animals as cheaply as possible to flip as quickly as possible for some beer money without any real concern for their future.
 
Keven2 said:
You don't tell me what I should or should not do with my son you have no idea what we have been thru. Your such a piece of work! Go screw yourself!!
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None of us know your personal struggles, you're right, and it's truly awful to hear that your child is having problems, but maybe if you're going through all that, you shouldn't be taking on new animals to rescue/flip that you have NO clue about and can't tend to properly? I also saw yet again that you're accusing people of drama when they're just calling you out on your b.s. behaviour. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, whether you like that or not. I'm certain you are now on a lot of do not deal with lists because of all of this. I do hope that you get your life straight and do better and break whatever this cycle is that you are in for the sake of your family as well as your "rescues".
 
Keven2 said:
Ed Clark your the pot calling the kettle black!! Your just a very weird and jealous guy. I think you secretly like me or something! Your like the guy that's mean to the girl in kindergarten the kid really likes the girl! You are way to infatuated with what I'm doing! Weirdo!!!!!!
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Kevin what type of person thinks like this?
 
I put the name of my vets office and the only vet that does frogs is out of town. As soon as he gets back Im going to see him. I asked if there was any other vet in their office that could please see me and they said No! This has all been stated before and people have called the vet to verify what I'm saying!
 
Shiari researched vets local vets and found one that takes amphibians. The name is Scott Medlin, in case you missed that post. Why not take the frog to him?
 
Really Keven? Because Google maps says they're about 17 minutes drive from each other. If you can drive to the one, you can reasonably drive to the other.
 
Keven2 said:
Because it's over an hour away. It's almost a 3 he round trip.
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Even if it is an hour away, that is not so far to save a life!

It's clear that you are stalling hoping that those frogs die so you don't have to see a vet.

If you are going to take in rescues and imports you should have a basic understanding about how to treat the simplest problems that arise not pass them off to unsuspecting customers.
 
Keven2 said:
Because it's over an hour away. It's almost a 3 he round trip.
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You have said that you have a son at home who needs care. Putting aside the fact that you have lied in the past, and assuming that this is true, I can see that extended road trips may be difficult.
But it seems to me that your choosing to have an extensive collection of reptiles and amphibians is for you, for now, an unethical choice. You KNOW that your critters may need vet care from time to time, and it appears that you have not established a care fund whereby you could hire someone to take these sick frogs to the vet.

So it appears that these animals must suffer greatly should they become ill. To flip these animals for profit but not take care of them when they need care is simply using these live creatures for money.

To me there is a cognitive dissonance when on the one hand you claim to tenderly care for your son, and setting up your collection so that animals that become sick must suffer horribly for extended periods of time.
 
Omg my vet is out of town on vacation! He is normally here. Doesn't mean my reptiles are always suffering. I pray to God I don't ever treat another human being the way you have treated me! I've never seen a site that totally berates another member the way this does! Someone will end up committing suicide over this site one day mark my words. Have you ever read the lives destroyed off of this site. It's disgusting! I'm sure you will have some smart ass comments to say about this post so go ahead. Tear me down some more. Make yourselves feel better!
 
Lucille said:
You have said that you have a son at home who needs care. Putting aside the fact that you have lied in the past, and assuming that this is true, I can see that extended road trips may be difficult.
But it seems to me that your choosing to have an extensive collection of reptiles and amphibians is for you, for now, an unethical choice. You KNOW that your critters may need vet care from time to time, and it appears that you have not established a care fund whereby you could hire someone to take these sick frogs to the vet.

So it appears that these animals must suffer greatly should they become ill. To flip these animals for profit but not take care of them when they need care is simply using these live creatures for money.

To me there is a cognitive dissonance when on the one hand you claim to tenderly care for your son, and setting up your collection so that animals that become sick must suffer horribly for extended periods of time.
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It's not true.
 
Keven, you're overreacting. We get that your vet is out of town, but other members have done your research for you, and found a clinic not too far from you.

The majority of people commenting here, are doing so in a calm, rational manner, and only want to see your animals get the care they deserve.

If "lives are destroyed", or someone commits suicide "because of this site", then they had very serious problems to begin with. Websites don't ruin lives; people do.

I'm sorry if you feel that you're being "bullied". People are calling you out on inconsistencies in your posts. That's called holding you accountable for the things you're saying, not bullying.

Please get medical care for those animals, or as others have suggested, perhaps this is not the right hobby for you.
 
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