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The BOI will be coming to an end on 02-02-2020

Oh yeah, I remember, Garrett Smith's post. Frogman11, Garrett Smith, who has the lowest Karma of anyone in the history of this site. Lying, scamming, no-integrity Garrett Smith. Really, I would not put much stock in what he might say.


LOL, I just spotted this one.

Your false accusations are the reasons for the down fall of the BOI. Did you know the OP on my "BAD" BOI Michael Rodriguez are, friends on facebook, follow each other on Instagram and that he would buy animals off of me today and I would buy animals off of him?

Have you and I, Lucille ever had a transaction? Have we ever met? Do you know me? The answer are No, No, and No. You just lied above about me. There for you lie and have no-integrity.

YOU "regular BOI bullies" create the drama, lies and hate, make up false narratives, fake news etc. The boi became a joke long before my BOI and people thought why should I pay to be part of a site where a hand full of people are aloud to run rouge. In theory its a good idea, but the way it was allowed to run amuck is IMO its final demise
 
YOU "regular BOI bullies" create the drama, lies and hate, make up false narratives, fake news etc. The boi became a joke long before my BOI and people thought why should I pay to be part of a site where a hand full of people are aloud to run rouge. In theory its a good idea, but the way it was allowed to run amuck is IMO its final demise

So, in your opinion, how SHOULD the BOI have been run?
 
So, in your opinion, how SHOULD the BOI have been run?

You had it down, I've read all the rules. It wasn't policed very well. I know it takes a lot of time and effort to do this.

For instance third part quoting was not aloud. Yet it went on forever in mine and others. Lynn Peterson kept quoting other people. Well after a few hundred pages people starting believing Lynns lies. One of the people that Lynn was putting words in her mouth was getting pissed but was too afraid or didn't have time to battle with everyone got fed up and final posted. She posted that she had a great transaction with me and what Lynn was sating was not true. It's quite obvious that Lynn is regular on the BOI and sucks up to you that he was aloud to do this for many post. Once called out by the person that he was miss quoting, no one said anything to him on the post. All the bullies stick together. Many other accusations and false statements with out factual info were allowed to be posted. It was a joke. This happens on most of the BOI's

My transaction was pretty simple and straight forward. Mike and I went into an importing deal together. Equal profits, equal risks. At no point did I say I would assume all the risk if we got screwed over. Well, ultimately we did get screwed over by the exporter. Even though I was not obligated to pay anyone back, I did. I paid Mike and one other party the money they invested in the transaction. But I ended up being the scammer, Lier with no integrity. lol

Facts are Ive never screwed anyone over. Its the mismanagement of the BOI that let it spin to what it was. The bottom line is. Its a great idea, You have all the correct rules/guidelines in place. Its Just not policed and rouge.
 
I suggest readers read all the way through. Garrett is pretty skilled in attacking/demeaning anyone who disagrees with him but there is a LOT of evidence against him from many different people.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=538607&highlight=Garrett

Yep. No need to read the entire thing. I will defend my self agents your made up scenario fo sho......Until I get board. Thats the best part in all 1000+ pages. Who did I screw over? Sooooooooo much evidence??? Who did I screw over.

This is not about me. But a perfect example of why the BOI is dying. Lucille called me 3 names, made false accusation with zero factual basis just on this post. She is 1 of a dozen of the regulars that do this as they high five and complement each other. People were afraid to defend anyone because of this bully mentality.

Thank you Lucille for proving my exact point
 
No, Garrett, the way the BOI works, and it DOES work, it that readers read the evidence, and make up their own minds. There is plenty enough there so that readers can choose what to believe, we are not going to replay the entire thread.
 
Who did I screw over.




You are certainly using smoke and mirrors instead of facts here, I don't think anyone would believe this happened. It is just more of your loud mouthing diatribes against this site.
There is a law suite coming your way. It sounds like you might already know about it. I was asked to join it because of my BOI but I declined to participate.

Rich, would you like to come forward and admit that’s why you are getting rid of the BOI? Have you been served with papers or have you received paperwork from a law firm giving you a last chance to delete the BOI or run the risk of being sued?

Not true at all. Matter of fact, if I were to be served with any such papers, then I fight this one last battle, and could not remove the BOI because I would be tampering with evidence, which would get me into very hot legal trouble. No one has threatened me with a lawsuit in any fashion, much less actually filed one.
 
You had it down, I've read all the rules. It wasn't policed very well. I know it takes a lot of time and effort to do this.

For instance third part quoting was not aloud. Yet it went on forever in mine and others. Lynn Peterson kept quoting other people. Well after a few hundred pages people starting believing Lynns lies. One of the people that Lynn was putting words in her mouth was getting pissed but was too afraid or didn't have time to battle with everyone got fed up and final posted. She posted that she had a great transaction with me and what Lynn was sating was not true. It's quite obvious that Lynn is regular on the BOI and sucks up to you that he was aloud to do this for many post. Once called out by the person that he was miss quoting, no one said anything to him on the post. All the bullies stick together. Many other accusations and false statements with out factual info were allowed to be posted. It was a joke. This happens on most of the BOI's

I believe you are mistaken. Third party quotations are not prohibited here. ANONYMOUS third part quotations, however, are. Now, being prohibited does not mean such statements can or are removed, it only means that infractions are incurred for each incident noticed by the moderators, which can lead up to the person engaging in such practices being banned. It is not good policy, neither ethically nor legally, for staff here to edit anyone's posts. Particularly when in a thread taking place in the BOI. So IF an anonymous third party post had been made and IF it had been made aware to a moderator, I'm pretty sure that an infraction would have been incurred by the person making such statements. But see below about infractions concerning their visibility to the general public.

As for "sucking up to me", that will not get anyone any perks here. Most people here I have never met in person, and wouldn't know them if I tripped over them at the local mall. I don't give anyone any leeway with the rules, regardless of any such perceived "sucking up". If you believe I can be bought for merely a paid membership donation, I'm sorry you think of me as being such "cheap meat". If you believe that someone you don't care for, or because of what they said about you, has gotten away with anything for that above reason, sorry, but you are not properly interpreting the facts of the matter. The easiest way for me to remain neutral in matters here is for me to just not really give a personal damn either way about the involved parties. Which, since I retired my own reptile breeding business, is extremely easy for me to do. Not knowing either party helps immensely in this regard. Honestly, it would be extremely difficult for me to get any more neutral than I already am. But to be frank about it, excuse me if when someone threatens me with a lawsuit or any other type of threat if I might not be quite as neutral in that case and about that peson as I might have been otherwise. After all, regardless of rumors otherwise, I am merely human. But even then, I still don't get a chip on my shoulder about them. But neither would I ever be inclined to offer them any favors, neither.

And finally, in reference to your claim about "false statements and accusations being allowed to be posted", well, that might be true. I "allow" false statements as well as true statements to be freely posted, simply because I have no choice. I am unable to tell one from the other, and any attempt to do so would not be prudent, simply because they would just be guesses on my part. Just who exactly would be well served if I were inclined to do that in BOI threads?

So in my shoes, how would you go about determining which statements and accusations are false, and which ones are truthful? How would you go about determining who is lying and who is not? Personally, I freely admit that I am not able to do that myself. And I certainly have never claimed that I could. Oh, I will often have my personal suspicions in those threads that catch my attention, but I am certainly not going to ACT on them as administrator of this site. I may say something as a private individual, but that is about the extent of my involvement. I certainly am not going to censure nor ban someone simply because my personal opinion is that they are a liar.

So my stance all along has been to just stay out of the way, and out of the middle of situations from a management standpoint, and let members post what they will, and leave that sort of determination up to the readership. They need to make that sort of decision, I cannot make that for them.

My transaction was pretty simple and straight forward. Mike and I went into an importing deal together. Equal profits, equal risks. At no point did I say I would assume all the risk if we got screwed over. Well, ultimately we did get screwed over by the exporter. Even though I was not obligated to pay anyone back, I did. I paid Mike and one other party the money they invested in the transaction. But I ended up being the scammer, Lier with no integrity. lol

Facts are Ive never screwed anyone over. Its the mismanagement of the BOI that let it spin to what it was. The bottom line is. Its a great idea, You have all the correct rules/guidelines in place. Its Just not policed and rouge.

I realize you are using your own situation as an example, but please refrain from inadvertently making this thread about you. This is not what this thread is about.

As for policing the rules, I never claimed that all of the rules would be 100 percent enforced. Matter of fact, I couldn't even claim they every post made on this site would even be read by one or more of the moderators, much less myself. Heck, I don't believe I have personally read more than a fraction of the threads posted in the BOI. Point being, if the moderators don't know about a perceived infraction, they can't do anything about it. Even so, there is always the potential that something YOU may see as an infraction, might not seem so in their eyes. And even if it is, infractions made on someone here are not publicly visible to anyone other than staff and the person receiving the infraction, so you would never know whether or not an infraction had been earned by something you made a report about. Unless it was an infraction worthy of an immediate or cumulative ban, of course. Otherwise, you really have no indication whatsoever about how effectively and uniformly rules have been enforced here, now do you?
 
“I realize you are using your own situation as an example, but please refrain from inadvertently making this thread about you. This is not what this thread is about.”

Agreed.

I just figured if I chimed in with a different opinion I would be attacked, like what happens in the BOI. Thank you Lucille for representing. I never said I hated the idea of the boi. It’s a great idea and form. Good luck on how ever it turns out.
 
Oh, it is definitely going away on 02-02-2020. That is the ONLY way it is going to turn out.
 
I became a contributing member within minutes of finding out that the BOI was becoming restricted to contributing members. I don't understand the backlash against paying to view the BOI. I stand with everyone who attested to how valuable they feel the BOI is. The BOI protects us from scammers, and that plays a part in protecting the hobby itself by preventing people who are in it for the wrong reasons from proliferating and overshadowing the rest of us. The BOI benefits captive reptiles directly by creating transparency around practices in the hobby. Besides becoming contributing members, what can we do to help support the continued existence of the BOI?
 
I think I have laid out all of my cards on the table within this thread. I believe my reasoning is sound, and in this final hour I don't foresee anything happening to change what I feel is the obvious result of the deterioration of participation and support here over the years. I have been at this warning point a few times previously in the past, and sounded an alarm, but I guess most people either did not believe me, or chose to be unconcerned about the future I was seeing as stark writing on the wall.

I am just reading the tea leaves and doing what I have to do. A vast majority of the 141,433 registered members here have made their choices. As a direct result, now I have to make the only sane choice I can.
 
Maybe someone else would be willing to host a boi on their own page.
Rich, would you be willing to leave a link here to get to that page? Possibly even allow the content of all the current threads to move to there as well?
Just throwing an idea out there.
Thank you for all of this website
 
Maybe someone else would be willing to host a boi on their own page.
Rich, would you be willing to leave a link here to get to that page? Possibly even allow the content of all the current threads to move to there as well?
Just throwing an idea out there.
Thank you for all of this website

Well, on the surface it might sound like a good idea, but in reality it is not very practical. That would mean "giving" someone the entire member database table as well as the threads and posts, otherwise all of the posts and threads copied would not be associated with anyone other than "guest". In effect it would mean I would be "giving" someone this entire site via the MySQL database.There are a large number of tables in that database linked together in ways that only someone intimately familiar with vBulletin could likely ever figure out. Then there are the attachment files that are stored elsewhere on the server external to the database, linked in some arcane manner to the posts they are associated with. It would be a rather complicated maneuver to try to do a surgical extraction of just the BOI forum from my server. Yeah, possibly some wizard at MySQL programming could do it if you paid them enough, but quite frankly, I just can't see any good reason for me to jump through all of those hoops. Especially considering the fact that the reason I am closing the BOI in the first place is because it has evidently been rejected and abandoned by the majority of the members.

As for providing free advertising to someone else's attempt at creating their own BOI, well, gee, wouldn't that kind of be a kick in my teeth? Honestly, would anyone be surprised if I would feel that way about it? "Hey Rich! Instead of trying like hell to get that lost support back to your original BOI in order to save it (and sorry we haven't been around much lately), we are instead going to start up our own BOI! Isn't that just a SWELL idea?? What do you think? Wanna help us?"

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I mean, seriously?
 
I just became a contributing member. I've used this site as a resource for years. I'm sorry that I never invested my money before. For what it is worth, the BOI and this website have been a great resource for me and my business, and I intend to be a contributing member from now on. I really appreciate all the work that has gone into maintaining this website and the BOI in the past. I wish I would have become a contributing member years ago. I'm very sorry for that.
 
I just became a contributing member. I've used this site as a resource for years. I'm sorry that I never invested my money before. For what it is worth, the BOI and this website have been a great resource for me and my business, and I intend to be a contributing member from now on. I really appreciate all the work that has gone into maintaining this website and the BOI in the past. I wish I would have become a contributing member years ago. I'm very sorry for that.

Thank you for this.

Interesting concept in that I never really considered the memberships and sponsorships as being "investments". But in fact, I guess you are correct. In retrospect, I sure as heck invested a LOT on multiple levels into this site, but never looked at it from the perspective that the membership was also investing in this site in many ways too. I guess a company that lost most of their investors would likely feel about the same way that I do right about now.
 
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In retrospect, I sure as heck invested a LOT on multiple levels into this site, but never looked at it from the perspective that the membership was also investing in this site in many was too. I guess a company that lost most of their investors would likely feel about the same way that I do right about now.

That's something that has always irritated me. Maybe, like you, I have an entrepreneurial mindset; my dad owned a watercraft dealership, and had to sink or swim (no pun intended!) on his own.

My point is, everyone wants to share in the profits, but they have no financial stake in building the business up to the point of even being profitable. Many do not understand the initial lean years, where you may barely break even, after investing significant amounts of time and money to get the business up and running.

I blame Facebook, in part, for the dwindling support of Fauna in general, and the BOI in particular. Facebook is free to join, and everyone loves "free". However, there's really no accountability, as to truth or integrity of posts. People get blocked, and stuff gets deleted all the time. The drama and backbiting is like being back in high school again, which is one of the reasons I stay away from it. Apparently, you do get what you pay for.
 
It certainly is an investment. Just two weeks ago, I sold a single gecko for $1200 using this site. I have probably bought and sold over $10,000 worth of animals using this site over the last 8 years.

I will say that I never realized that a year membership was only $25.00 until just now. It is my fault, I suppose, for not looking into it. Honestly, that is an incredibly small price to be a contributing member. That is less money than a Petco leopard gecko.
 
So, here are a couple thoughts that I have. I'm trying to say this as tactfully as possible and so I will preface it by stating that these things are ultimately my fault for not doing as much research as I should have done. However, these things are true none-the-less.

I've been using this site since 2012. I have made over 30 posts - most of them classifieds. I have bought and sold nearly $10,000 worth of animals during that time. I have a boi thread about me. I have contributed to boi threads about others. And...

1.) I never knew (until just now) that being a contributing member was only $25.00
2.) I never knew, and honestly, still don't know what all the benefits are to being a contributing member. Now that I am one. I'd like to know.
3.) I never knew what Trader Ratings were or Reputation level and how to use those.

Is it possible that some of this stuff could be better advertised across the site? Have you ever done membership drives or fund drives on the site? For example, have you ever done something similar to how public radio occasionally makes a concentrated effort to increase contributing members and donators? I'm not meaning for this to sound accusatory, as if I'm blaming any of the problems on you, Rich or whoever else is involved in hosting the site. I hope it doesn't come off that way and if it does I'd like to apologize in advance. I've just been rolling all of this around in my head the last day or so and I've been asking myself about how my own experience with this site has been over the last several years.

I know that spamming people with messages begging them for money is a turn off to virtually everyone. However, I'm wondering if I would have become a contributor earlier if I had received an email or message or something once a year and even when I first signed up on the site saying how much it costs for each contributing membership level and what the benefits are for each one.

Once again, I'm not trying to blame anyone who is in charge of hosting the site. I'm just thinking about my own experience. For example, I didn't know it was only $50 per year to advertise on a forum until just today (because I looked for the first time - yes, obviously, that is my fault). That is such a low price.
 
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