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Bad Guy Craig Martin

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I'm posting about a deal I did with Craig Martin or Revered Retics. I bought a female white albino het anery from Craig 4 years ago or so. Then a little while after that purchased a motley anery het albino male to put to the albino girl. I raised them both up and paired the albino girl to only the motely anery. I had 21 eggs of which only 7 made it the vast majority were slugs. Out of the 7 eggs I hatched 2 motley lavs, 2 motleys, 2 normals and a lav. I know 7 eggs isn't a lot but by the law of physics it should be a 1-2 shot breeding visual to het 7 eggs no anery. Now again I know it's possible to miss but not probable. I mean I had the same chances at hitting the albino (which there were 3) and the same with motley (which there were 4). So I contacted Craig and asked him how sure he was the albino female was het anery. He responded and was cool in the beginning of the deal. He offered to trade me a yearling snow female for the adult albino girl I had paid for years ago and raised. I told him that I didn't feel it was fair for me to trade for a younger animal (granted his snow is wwaayyy more expensive than my adult girl) but I want something breeder sized which I don't think is outside the norm. So for weeks we go back and forth a couple of phone calls and many many messages. Long story short after offering me another adult albino het anery female for mine girl (and I still don't feel it's right I have to give up an animal that I raised for another animal that I'm not sure on the genetics. But i figure that's going to be the best deal. He tells me he's going to ship then come the day he's supposed to ship and he proceeds to tell me to send my animal the same day he sends his. I did some searching on faunaclassifieds BOI prior to contacting him and he has a few different bad threads and after some of the things he text and verbally said gave me a bad feeling. So I told him I couldn't and he said deal was off. I've tried for the last 2 days to try to post this but there are ssssssoooooo many screen shots of our conversations on FB messenger and phone text. I have 172 screen shots of our conversations
 

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I'm sorry you are going through this but thank you for warning the community. While it is always possible to have bad luck, his action in calling off the deal at the last minute like that makes him someone to avoid. If he indeed sold an animal as a het, he is in fact required back it to his buyer and cannot try to point to anyone else.
 
A timely and interesting post that I thought would be worth including in this thread.http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=695947
It certainly points out that a lack of results can be bad luck and that perhaps parties should be extra patient realizing that the results they were hoping for may not necessarily be because the animal is not a het.
However, I do feel that if a seller voluntarily chooses to agree to a replacement, that changing that agreement or adding extra requirements at the last minute is very poor customer service.
 
My opinion is that a seller should back the hets he sells based on the labels he sells them under, but there should be a larger sample size than currently exists in this situation before a functional conclusion is made. If a person is unwilling to wait for a substantial sample size to play out a more meaningful series of results, hets are not well matched for that keeper. Everyone wants a positively slanted result, but the universe is indifferent to that desire.

There is not a "law of physics" at play. There is statistical chance at play.

I dislike the response shown, as it appears he is not standing by what he sells. That said, the argument for a larger set of results still stands.
 
dmasio said:
I'm posting about a deal I did with Craig Martin or Revered Retics. I bought a female white albino het anery from Craig 4 years ago or so. Then a little while after that purchased a motley anery het albino male to put to the albino girl. I raised them both up and paired the albino girl to only the motely anery. I had 21 eggs of which only 7 made it the vast majority were slugs. Out of the 7 eggs I hatched 2 motley lavs, 2 motleys, 2 normals and a lav. I know 7 eggs isn't a lot but by the law of physics it should be a 1-2 shot breeding visual to het 7 eggs no anery. Now again I know it's possible to miss but not probable. I mean I had the same chances at hitting the albino (which there were 3) and the same with motley (which there were 4). So I contacted Craig and asked him how sure he was the albino female was het anery. He responded and was cool in the beginning of the deal. He offered to trade me a yearling snow female for the adult albino girl I had paid for years ago and raised. I told him that I didn't feel it was fair for me to trade for a younger animal (granted his snow is wwaayyy more expensive than my adult girl) but I want something breeder sized which I don't think is outside the norm. So for weeks we go back and forth a couple of phone calls and many many messages. Long story short after offering me another adult albino het anery female for mine girl (and I still don't feel it's right I have to give up an animal that I raised for another animal that I'm not sure on the genetics. But i figure that's going to be the best deal. He tells me he's going to ship then come the day he's supposed to ship and he proceeds to tell me to send my animal the same day he sends his. I did some searching on faunaclassifieds BOI prior to contacting him and he has a few different bad threads and after some of the things he text and verbally said gave me a bad feeling. So I told him I couldn't and he said deal was off. I've tried for the last 2 days to try to post this but there are ssssssoooooo many screen shots of our conversations on FB messenger and phone text. I have 172 screen shots of our conversations
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what a bunch of crap dude. All your done is lost your shot at a replacement if she did turn out to be not het. I DID NOT PRODUCE HER. AND GAVE TO YOU AS I WAS TOLD. Anyone that breeds knows 7 eggs isnt enough to determine if she is or isnt a het!!!! You were offered an purple snow by me in the begining . You got to greedy and turned it down. I had also offered before i had all the facts. So now i will not help you out period. good luck
 
Lucille said:
A timely and interesting post that I thought would be worth including in this thread.http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=695947
It certainly points out that a lack of results can be bad luck and that perhaps parties should be extra patient realizing that the results they were hoping for may not necessarily be because the animal is not a het.
However, I do feel that if a seller voluntarily chooses to agree to a replacement, that changing that agreement or adding extra requirements at the last minute is very poor customer service.
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poor customer service ..., He doesnt rate anything!!!!
But when i offered the purple snow to him and he denied it. Thats not my fault. I didnt even produce this asnimal. Yet was wiilling to help him out. But not anymore. Then to turn around and say i ship firstr due to the chance im going to send a sick animal!!! screw that . Maybe he should learn some respect at the same time. But whatever. I have not screwed over anyoner. and will not .
 
Craig martin said:
I DID NOT PRODUCE HER. AND GAVE TO YOU AS I WAS TOLD.
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It doesn't matter that you did not produce her. If you sell an animal and make representations to a buyer that it is a het, YOU are responsible for backing that representation.
 
California Commercial Code COM section 2313:




(1) Express warranties by the seller are created as follows:

(a) Any affirmation of fact or promise made by the seller to the buyer which relates to the goods and becomes part of the basis of the bargain creates an express warranty that the goods shall conform to the affirmation or promise.

(b) Any description of the goods which is made part of the basis of the bargain creates an express warranty that the goods shall conform to the description.
 
7 eggs is not a good sample size and no laws of physics at play here, I've known people who have bred for 3 seasons a pair of hets and got zero visuals first two seasons but hit on 7 out of 9 eggs on the third season. Hopefully you guys are able to work it out.
 
I totally understand I could've missed but I can't post all the pics from the conversation but he told me the guy he got her from originally screwed him on another animal so what's that make me think about my animal. Then he did offer me a snow but I'm not looking to raise another animal to breed in a few years. He then offers me anot her albino het anery adult girl. I agreed to it and he got a hair up his butt because i wouldn't ship the same day. But he didn't bother to say anything about shipping the same day until i messaged him and asked if he was shipping that day. Lol the dude is a flat out liar. I've had 2 others message me and 1 of them posted on his page that he's done things like this to others. He told me the animal came from Daniel Solis which made feel safe buying it, my fault for not contacting Dan but he's since told me he didn't produce it. I'm just saying which ever way you see this be careful dealing with this guy.
 
Craig you've lied from day 1 dude. About who produced her, about not screwing anyone over, about the shipping stuff. Lmao you told me you were going to ship and didn't say anything about me shipping the same day here hold on I'll attach the pic. Sorry I wanted to make sure I was getting a healthy animal from you. I mean it's not like it would've been the 1st time you've talked shit lol.
 

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1) If Craig sold you an animal he didn't produce and told you he purchased the animal as a het but didn't breed her himself, he's being up-front with you. If, at that time, you needed a guarantee, you should have passed on that animal for one which had been proven.

2) You contacted him 2-years after the fact after only hatching out 7-eggs and the guy was still willing to do something for you. That in itself tells me he's a decent guy. He didn't have to do a thing for you. You bought the snake, raised it, bred it, and come hell or high water, took the risk when you bought it that it was indeed a het.

3) Then after he tells you he's willing to work with you and replace your animal with a snow, you back out of the deal and then post a negative BOI thread about him? That's a jerk move if you ask me.

I have personally worked with Craig and our transaction wasn't the smoothest, but I can tell you 100% he absolutely will do what he can to make things right even when he doesn't have to. In this hobby that's saying a lot. There are hundreds of scammers, flippers, and people just trying to make a quick buck. Craig certainly isn't one of them, and to go on a public forum and call him out because you (maybe) lost on YOUR gamble when you accepted the snake is a crummy thing to do, IMO. He didn't have to do anything for you. You bought a healthy snake 2-years ago with full knowledge of its provenance. The rest, mate, is on you.
 
Mr Moorman I never told him I didn't want the snow I only said I wanted something breeder size to replace my girl. As far as 2 years later it was more like 4 I had to breed her to find out. And as I've said multiple other times I could've missed but the way Craig told me from his mouth the guy that he got my girl from screwed him on another animal. And when I told him I was breeding her to my motley anery male he tried to buy her back. It's just a lot of weird things went into this transaction.
 
And Mr. Moorman the deal he's saying I backed out of with him I didn't he knows I didn't if I he wants to dispute it I have a screen shot of it as well. AAANNNDDDD I have screen shots of the man trying to flip animals before he even had them. So now mate the balls in your court. And be careful who you defend it can come back to bite you I've seen and been a part of the bad end of it.
 
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I have personally worked with Craig and our transaction wasn't the smoothest, but I can tell you 100% he absolutely will do what he can to make things right even when he doesn't have to.
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dmasio had a transaction that did not go well just like you and he came here to warn as all.

he tried to work it out with him then all he got was attitude and a bunch of lies.

he promised to send another python then tried to change the deal before shipment.

These actions by the seller should be a warning to everyone.
 
Craig martin said:
poor customer service ..., He doesnt rate anything!!!!
But when i offered the purple snow to him and he denied it. Thats not my fault. I didnt even produce this asnimal. Yet was wiilling to help him out. But not anymore. Then to turn around and say i ship firstr due to the chance im going to send a sick animal!!! screw that . Maybe he should learn some respect at the same time. But whatever. I have not screwed over anyoner. and will not .
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I'll say it again . He doesnt rate anything. Anyone that has any experience breeding double recessive genes using visuals doesnt always yield the results one would expect! Not to mention using hets !! The fact is this. He didnt make enough eggs to prove or disprove anything.
He needs to breed it again. Get better results. That's the common sense solution.. He still has the nice babies. Out of it. Had he not gotten disrespectful he would of had her. BUT NO BREEDER IS GOING TO SEND OUT ANOYHER ANIMAL WITHOUT FIRST GETTING THE OTHER ONE BACK! so stop acting like I'm wrong. He is the customer. He doesnt give the orders. But the best part is this. Their is no bad post about me. I've always helped every one. That's why I offered a purple snow. That he denied. . Either way he publicly attacked me. For an animal that's not proven to be het anery. Supporting this behavior is in fact shameful. .. Damian heads to your mail box bro.....cant wait till you read it. . Lmao
 
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